Kirk Hammett is "one of the worst guitar players I've e

I love Metallica, but I think that Kirk Hammett has become very stale as a lead player.
I loved the solos on the first 4 'Tallica albums but from the black album onwards, he seems to have become too comfortable and hasn't progressed as a player.
His vibrato is terrible, his solos are drenched in Wah (I like Wah, but he takes it too far) and when he improvises solos live... they are awful!
I mean if someone improvises live, you expect them to f**k up every now and then, but not all/most of the time.
Dave Murray from Maiden improvises nearly all of his solos, and they sound excellent. Fair enough he uses Legato immensely but it sounds awesome.
Hetfield's solos are much better as they are based more around melodies and sound so much better.
Kirk does have some awesome solos however I just wish he would progress more.
You would never have guessed Kirk was Joe Sat's student...

Good thread. Need to pull my "PULL" CD by Winger which is an awesome album I tend to enjoy now and then.

Not nearly one of the best guitarists, but certainly not one of the worst.

That's already been said, and I concur with it.

Temple of Blood wrote:

Schbopo wrote:

Temple of Blood wrote:

WINGER is really lame. They deserved to have darts thrown at their pics. They were trying to appeal to 14 year old girls.

So what? They had talent, you can't deny.

More playing-wise than songwriting.

Kip Winger & Reb Beach are better songwriters than James Hetfield or Kirk Hammet will ever be. You may not like the songs they write, but as far as the actual craft of songwriting, Kip Winger is a master craftsman. I like both bands, and I can say with all confidence that I believe that Kip Winger could write circles around James Hetfield.

But, then again, it all comes down to what kinds of songs you prefer to begin with. Although I believe Kip could write an 8-minute "Master Of Puppets" or "Battery" song better than James could write a 4-minute "In The Day We'll Never See" or "Blind Revolution Mad" song...

Reb Beach runs circles around Kirk Hammett. Take away Kirk's wah-wah pedal and I'd bet he wouldn't be able to solo.

Songwriting-wise, comparing the two bands is totally apples and oranges.

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Schbopo wrote:

Temple of Blood wrote:

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Kip Winger & Reb Beach are better songwriters than James Hetfield or Kirk Hammet will ever be. I believe that Kip Winger could write circles around James Hetfield.

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Temple of Blood wrote:

Schbopo wrote:

Temple of Blood wrote:

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Kip Winger & Reb Beach are better songwriters than James Hetfield or Kirk Hammet will ever be. I believe that Kip Winger could write circles around James Hetfield.

Don't hate the truth...

My thoughts?

Kirk Hammett's playing on Kill 'Em All and Ride The Lightning is killer...I remember playing that opening guitar solo to Trapped Under Ice over and over and over....why does it work? Because it has MAJOR ATTITUDE!

But as the band progressed into Master & Justice, Kirk's playing did not. His solos started to sound more often tired than inspired. Then by the time we enter the Black album era he became obsessed with the wah pedal (despite never actually being any good with it) and I don't think he's done anything really worthwhile since.

Winger's songwriting is horrible. It's not about which I personally prefer, it's just true. I tend to prefer HELSTAR over Billy Joel but Billy is still a better songwriter.

And Kirk Hammet isn't really a songwriter at all. Check METALLICA's credits.

That video posted of Winger's latest song really epitomizes how ineffective their works are. We need to post that again.

I also really agree with detuned that Hammett's playing should've progressed at the same rate as the rest of the band.

Temple of Blood wrote:

Winger's songwriting is horrible. It's not about which I personally prefer, it's just true.

You mistake fact for opinion. Winger are hardly "horrible songwriters".

When you have success like a band like Metallica there tends to be some serious hate out there. Kirk is a great guitar player and up til reload he was putting out some killer solos IMO. Do I think the man is overrated? Of course because his success was based on popularity, but that doesnt mean he is a bad guitar player because that he is not.

Kirk has laid down some serious solos Blackened, MoP, One, Struggle Within, Fade to Black, Battery, Ride The Lightning, and plenty more...

Temple of Blood wrote:

Winger's songwriting is horrible. It's not about which I personally prefer, it's just true.

ultmetal wrote:

Temple of Blood wrote:

Winger's songwriting is horrible. It's not about which I personally prefer, it's just true.

You mistake fact for opinion. Winger are hardly "horrible songwriters".

Agree - Kip and Reb are good song writers

Aaaaaaaaaand another innocent thread turns into a Chinese fire drill.... sigh...

Fat Freddy wrote:

Aaaaaaaaaand another innocent thread turns into a Chinese fire drill.... sigh...

it's a thread about the pros/cons of a guitarist...ever seen one that didn't go downhill...ever?

*nice pun with my avatar actually*

detuned wrote:

it's a thread about the pros/cons of a guitarist...ever seen one that didn't go downhill...ever?

Good point.

ultmetal wrote:

Temple of Blood wrote:

Winger's songwriting is horrible. It's not about which I personally prefer, it's just true.

You mistake fact for opinion. Winger are hardly "horrible songwriters".

Sounds like you "mistake fact for opinion" in the second sentence above.

But it's OK when it is your views, I understand.

S wrote:

Temple of Blood wrote:

Winger's songwriting is horrible. It's not about which I personally prefer, it's just true.

An ad hominem argument is no argument at all.

Thanks for conceeding.

Temple of Blood wrote:

ultmetal wrote:

Temple of Blood wrote:

Winger's songwriting is horrible. It's not about which I personally prefer, it's just true.

You mistake fact for opinion. Winger are hardly "horrible songwriters".

Sounds like you "mistake fact for opinion" in the second sentence above.

But it's OK when it is your views, I understand.

As long as we have an understanding.

No. There is a difference between giving an opinion, which I did, and stating something as a fact, which you did.

You are both wrong compared to dude from Alter Bridge both guitar players are rank amauters, at least that is what Metalrob told me.

An absurd statement from Beach. Yeah, he's a great guitarist, but Kirk has plenty of tasty solos. The dude is far from horrible.

Eyesore wrote:

An absurd statement from Beach. Yeah, he's a great guitarist, but Kirk has plenty of tasty solos. The dude is far from horrible.

I agree.

Sounds like sour grapes to me.

ultmetal wrote:

Temple of Blood wrote:

ultmetal wrote:

Temple of Blood wrote:

Winger's songwriting is horrible. It's not about which I personally prefer, it's just true.

You mistake fact for opinion. Winger are hardly "horrible songwriters".

Sounds like you "mistake fact for opinion" in the second sentence above.

But it's OK when it is your views, I understand.

As long as we have an understanding.

No. There is a difference between giving an opinion, which I did, and stating something as a fact, which you did.

This.

A simple "I think" goes a long way.

Temple of Blood wrote:

S wrote:

Temple of Blood wrote:

Winger's songwriting is horrible. It's not about which I personally prefer, it's just true.

An ad hominem argument is no argument at all.

Thanks for conceeding.

And thanks for not knowing how to spell "conceding"...

Temple of Blood wrote:

ultmetal wrote:

Temple of Blood wrote:

Winger's songwriting is horrible. It's not about which I personally prefer, it's just true.

You mistake fact for opinion. Winger are hardly "horrible songwriters".

Sounds like you "mistake fact for opinion" in the second sentence above.

But it's OK when it is your views, I understand.

Sounds like you can't respect someone's work if you don't like them. It is fact that Metallica and Kirk Hammett are overrated.