I'm sorry for misleading you all...apparently I am not a real man!

Oh yeah I read it on the other forum, but I think the images don't have to do with the preachings or brainwashing. does it?

I don't know who this preacher is, but I don't like these kinds of preachers that treat church like a cult, where certain things have to be their way. I mean, he was talking crap about other praise singer on the altar of GOD{not it's not about mort }

OMG - Ult, getting attacked in a sermon!!!! You should be proud!!!!!!

thejokeriv wrote:

OMG - Ult, getting attacked in a sermon!!!! You should be proud!!!!!!

Indeed

Congrats. You finally "made it"!

Ult is in league with AC/DC and KISS!

lol@this guy sounding like he was constipated (or possibly hot 'n' bothered 'n' aroused?) when talking about "being a man"

About those Satan gals: "I wouldn't fight'em". So he's admitting he WOULD fight proper Christian ladies?

congradulations, but at least I like crazy music...too bad he don't

i'm not going to listen to a sermon, but i'm guessing that he called you a sissy because of your long hair, correct? wonder if he'd do the same thing stepping toe to toe with you?

mc666 wrote:

i'm not going to listen to a sermon, but i'm guessing that he called you a sissy because of your long hair, correct? wonder if he'd do the same thing stepping toe to toe with you?

It's hardly a sermon, but no, he doesnt mention the hair. He just says the we are not "real men" and we are the culmination of evil.

What an ass hole.

So Vengeance is punk? Man, I've been mislabeling them all along! Thanks preacher! That helps to resolve THAT issue for me!

stevegarveyfan wrote:

So Vengeance is punk? Man, I've been mislabeling them all along! Thanks preacher! That helps to resolve THAT issue for me!

"THATS christian....christian punk....christian....THRASH"....haha. Oh man I have nothing to say...

ultmetal wrote:

mc666 wrote:

i'm not going to listen to a sermon, but i'm guessing that he called you a sissy because of your long hair, correct? wonder if he'd do the same thing stepping toe to toe with you?

It's hardly a sermon, but no, he doesnt mention the hair. He just says the we are not "real men" and we are the culmination of evil.

just watched it & it certainly sounds like a sermon. regardless, he does label you "limp wristed" & "effeminate" . not sure why he chose those words based on the music.

That "real man" stuff was ridiculous. If anything, metal is full of laughably ultra-macho posturing.

Let's also face the facts that a lot of Christian lyricists get their theology wrong at times. (a point he made at the beginning of the video).

I like how 2/3 of his message is slamming the CCM musicians and then at the end he says christians dont embrace the outsiders or the misfits like they should...who do you think ccm music made by artists like Ultimatum are meant to reach?!?!....the outsiders you twat!!!!!!!

this guy is dead wrong on so many levels, I dont even know where to begin. I am a believer in Christ and this guy sets all the work that has been done back about 50 years. He does more harm than good.

As far as being a real man goes, the only people where that really matters is your wife and your kids, and probably your dad, too. It doesnt really matter about what the rest of the world thinks, but you knew that already.

Stender wrote:

I like how 2/3 of his message is slamming the CCM musicians and then at the end he says christians dont embrace the outsiders or the misfits like they should...who do you think ccm music made by artists like Ultimatum are meant to reach?!?!....the outsiders you twat!!!!!!!

My thoughts exactly!
I also love how the images of clean cut soldiers are the images of those that are "real men". Yup, go out and kill people, in the name of God! That's the spirit!

You know who else had long hair?

kmorg wrote:

My thoughts exactly!
I also love how the images of clean cut soldiers are the images of those that are "real men". Yup, go out and kill people, in the name of God! That's the spirit!

?

Last time I checked there was a time to KILL and a time to heal ...

Wow Ult, you know I have been meaning to tell you this very thing, but since you are intimidatingly large, I figured I would be a real man and hide from you and never say anything bad to your face!

Who is the real man now huh?? yeah I thought so

BTW, people like this guy are zealots, they are not preachers. If I recall it, we are not the ones who are supposed to judge. I thought that was Gods job, well apparently this guy seems to feel it is his too. Wonder how he would feel if someone mentioned that to him. People like him are the ones who corrupt the image of God, and turn people away.

Chairman_Smith wrote:

You know who else had long hair?

A Jehovas Witness would debate you on that one though.

Temple of Blood wrote:

kmorg wrote:

My thoughts exactly!
I also love how the images of clean cut soldiers are the images of those that are "real men". Yup, go out and kill people, in the name of God! That's the spirit!

?

Last time I checked there was a time to KILL and a time to heal ...

Yeah, goes nicely along what Jesus taught about turning the other cheek, loving your neighbour AND enemies, doing onto others as you want others to do to you, and love as the primary goal etc.

Good grief. That was five minutes of my life I'll never get back...

Let's all "man up" and kick that guy's A##!!!!

Wow...talk about a lack of wisdom in an area....

This thread?? This whole freakin' board?? :defleppard: