Stone Temple Pilots

rattpoison wrote:

Eyesore wrote:

" Just a bunch of phony rock bands who changed stripes to whatever was popular at the time."

I wonder sometimes where your logic comes from. That comment is categorically ridiculous. You act as if these guys were 80s rock bands before "changing stripes."

Maybe saying the changing stripes thing eluded to you thinking that i thought they were 80's rock bands, but that's not what i believe or mean. Maybe i should of said adapt stripes.

What i mean to say is these bands are your basic hard rock bands that could exist in any decade. Their followers and not leaders, they come a couple of years late to the party while taking in the sound of the surprise sucess. They adapt it and sell it in huge numbers to the numb public.

Could you not imagine Candlebox being a ballad driven AOR leaning Hair Metal band from 1987 signed to a major label!

If Nirvana existed 5 or so years before they formed they'd still be the same type of band toiling away.

Do you get what i'm saying?

These post-grunge bands are not alternative.

I agree with his statement, and even as a fan STP I never saw them or for that matter Soundgarden as alternative rock bands. I saw them as hard rock/heavy metal bands, but at the end of the day I could careless what genre you list a band under, if I like the music it does not matter if it is listed as metal, pop, alternative etc, if I like the music that is all that matters. Getting hung up on what genre to list a band under I leave that job to stockclerks at FYE.

rattpoison wrote:

That's why you get all these hardcore 80's/Hair/Classic Metal fans who show blind disdain and hatred for the original Seattle bands but say things like...."But STP and Candlebox were alright".

Imho, "Core" is essential to any collection. But, they lost me after the second album and have never gotten me back. Peace.

"Wicked Garden" is a fav of mine.

manny wrote:

rattpoison wrote:

Eyesore wrote:

" Just a bunch of phony rock bands who changed stripes to whatever was popular at the time."

I wonder sometimes where your logic comes from. That comment is categorically ridiculous. You act as if these guys were 80s rock bands before "changing stripes."

Maybe saying the changing stripes thing eluded to you thinking that i thought they were 80's rock bands, but that's not what i believe or mean. Maybe i should of said adapt stripes.

What i mean to say is these bands are your basic hard rock bands that could exist in any decade. Their followers and not leaders, they come a couple of years late to the party while taking in the sound of the surprise sucess. They adapt it and sell it in huge numbers to the numb public.

Could you not imagine Candlebox being a ballad driven AOR leaning Hair Metal band from 1987 signed to a major label!

If Nirvana existed 5 or so years before they formed they'd still be the same type of band toiling away.

Do you get what i'm saying?

These post-grunge bands are not alternative.

I agree with his statement, and even as a fan STP I never saw them or for that matter Soundgarden as alternative rock bands. I saw them as hard rock/heavy metal bands, but at the end of the day I could careless what genre you list a band under, if I like the music it does not matter if it is listed as metal, pop, alternative etc, if I like the music that is all that matters. Getting hung up on what genre to list a band under I leave that job to stockclerks at FYE.

I would say this, I don't think STP were a couple of years late in joining the party. "Core" came out in 1992, after Nirvana took off in late 1991. I think many out there will say that STP was a carbon copy of Pearl Jam, which I wholeheartedly disagree. Whether it was the band, their record company, or management, clearly they didn't know what direction the band was going to take. I saw them when they supported Megadeth on the "Countdown To Extinction" tour in January of 1993.

I never thought Stone Temple Pilots sounded anything like Pearl Jam, maybe Eddie Veder and Scott Weiland had a similar range but to me it s night and day. Both good bands but only thing they have in common is the era they came out of.

manny wrote:

I never thought Stone Temple Pilots sounded anything like Pearl Jam, maybe Eddie Veder and Scott Weiland had a similar range but to me it s night and day. Both good bands but only thing they have in common is the era they came out of.

That was the running joke back in the 90's. I'll never forget when David Spade was on Saturday Night Live, and he used to do the "Hollywood Minute" sketch (where he was absolutely ruthless on the entertainment industry).

He once said, "I liked Stone Temple Pilots better, when they were called Pearl Jam"! Even though I disagree, I thought that line was hilarious.

BIG STP fan here...

I Love STP

Never liked Pearl Jam though

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If Nirvana existed 5 or so years before they formed they'd still be the same type of band toiling away.

They did, Nirvana's earliest days go back to 1986/87

Some of my fav STP

Everything on Tiny Music...
Wicked Garden
Sex Type Thing
Everything on Purple
Sour Girl
Down
Hollywood smurfette


You could assume i like pretty much everything STP

bump

The best of these '90s alt bands, IMHO, was Alice in Chains. There was some decent shred guitar happening in that band. Still, I'd take almost any band from before '92 over the alt bands except for maybe Poison.

I'll never forget how bad so many of us thought Nirvana sucked when they first hit the scene. Pearl Jam and STP were a lot better, but pretty soon, you had those ultra goofy bands like Presidents of the United States of America. At least, though, we could tell the alt bands apart. Now, every new bands sounds almost identical to Nickelback

I wouldnt put Presidents of the United States in the same calibur as STP or AIC or Nirvana

never could get into these guys

Addy wrote:

I wouldnt put Presidents of the United States in the same calibur as STP or AIC or Nirvana

Wasn't putting them in that category. If you read my post, I was referring to Presidents of the United States of America as an example of ultra-cheesy '90s alt rock. I was referring to Alice in Chains as at the top end of alt rock. In fact, IMO, the best '90s alt rock bands were 1) Alice in Chains 2) Pearl Jam 3) STP, with AIC the best by far. These three bands are the ones that are popping up these days on the classic rock stations, along with Nirvana. IMO, Nirvana sucked. They may have started the alt rock trend, but it was Pearl Jam that actually got me a little interested.

I like these guys. I thought their albums got better with each release. They seemed to find their own sound by the 3rd album and kinda got out of that 'grunge" sound of their 1st album. They had a nice thick guitar sound with some nice vocal Beatle-esque harmonies. Saw them live years ago and they were very good too.

YngwieDokkenfan wrote:

Addy wrote:

I wouldnt put Presidents of the United States in the same calibur as STP or AIC or Nirvana

Wasn't putting them in that category. If you read my post, I was referring to Presidents of the United States of America as an example of ultra-cheesy '90s alt rock. I was referring to Alice in Chains as at the top end of alt rock. In fact, IMO, the best '90s alt rock bands were 1) Alice in Chains 2) Pearl Jam 3) STP, with AIC the best by far. These three bands are the ones that are popping up these days on the classic rock stations, along with Nirvana. IMO, Nirvana sucked. They may have started the alt rock trend, but it was Pearl Jam that actually got me a little interested.

IMO and its just that MY OPINION I think Pearl Jam has No place on any list, but then again I think Pearl Jam totally sucks, AIC Id say yeah but Id place STP in the top 2 (Then again STP is one of my all time fav bands) Nirvana Id place in the top 5 but the bands Id credit with starting the Alt Rock thing would be 1) Sonic Youth, 2) The Melvins , 3) Soundgarden For me Nirvana sparked my interest, when I first heard both Nirvana and STP I thought they both sucked. It wasnt till MTV Unplugged that I got into Nirvana, STP It took their 2nd single to get me interested.

Alternative, alt-metal, alt-rock, hard rock, grunge...whatever...

STP are still a great band. The truth is when Pearl Jam, STP, Nirvana, and Soundgarden came on the scene I found them refreshing. At the time, metal was cluttered with alot of crappy hair bands. Sure, there was good metal.. always has been...but I never stopped listening to the good stuff. There was alot of clutter, though. With time, the same thing happened to grunge... you ended up with alot of crappy, glossy posers. But, I still find the bands of the original movement to be vital to my collection. And, I think bands like Pearl Jam was consistently put out good material, regardless of where the trends went.

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STP are still a great band

Well said

i wouldnt call them heavy or metal, but they are decent

Neither would I but thats not a requirement for me to like anything

Neuropete wrote:

Alternative, alt-metal, alt-rock, hard rock, grunge...whatever...

STP are still a great band. The truth is when Pearl Jam, STP, Nirvana, and Soundgarden came on the scene I found them refreshing. At the time, metal was cluttered with alot of crappy hair bands. Sure, there was good metal.. always has been...but I never stopped listening to the good stuff. There was alot of clutter, though. With time, the same thing happened to grunge... you ended up with alot of crappy, glossy posers. But, I still find the bands of the original movement to be vital to my collection. And, I think bands like Pearl Jam was consistently put out good material, regardless of where the trends went.

Compared to Poison or maybe Ugly Kid Joe, I also found Pearl Jam to be pretty cool back then. For a musician, though, even Alice In Chains could not hold a candle to the guitar vitrtuoso triumvirate of early 90's hair metal: Extreme, Mr. Big, and Winger. No grunge band ever showcased a guitar master like Nuno Bettencourt, Paul Gilbert, or Reb Beach. Hair metal was getting really good with these three bands, and all three had put out awesome debut albums in 1989. Mr. Big's Lean Into It, which came out in 1991, was hair metal with virtuosic musicianship as well as catchy melodies and lyrics. Compared to Lean Into It or Extreme's second album, Pornograffiti, Pearl Jam came off as this musically mediocre band with interesting lyrics and catchy choruses. They came off as different, though, and that is what made them cool.

YngwieDokkenfan wrote:

Neuropete wrote:

Alternative, alt-metal, alt-rock, hard rock, grunge...whatever...

STP are still a great band. The truth is when Pearl Jam, STP, Nirvana, and Soundgarden came on the scene I found them refreshing. At the time, metal was cluttered with alot of crappy hair bands. Sure, there was good metal.. always has been...but I never stopped listening to the good stuff. There was alot of clutter, though. With time, the same thing happened to grunge... you ended up with alot of crappy, glossy posers. But, I still find the bands of the original movement to be vital to my collection. And, I think bands like Pearl Jam was consistently put out good material, regardless of where the trends went.

Compared to Poison or maybe Ugly Kid Joe, I also found Pearl Jam to be pretty cool back then. For a musician, though, even Alice In Chains could not hold a candle to the guitar vitrtuoso triumvirate of early 90's hair metal: Extreme, Mr. Big, and Winger. No grunge band ever showcased a guitar master like Nuno Bettencourt, Paul Gilbert, or Reb Beach. Hair metal was getting really good with these three bands, and all three had put out awesome debut albums in 1989. Mr. Big's Lean Into It, which came out in 1991, was hair metal with virtuosic musicianship as well as catchy melodies and lyrics. Compared to Lean Into It or Extreme's second album, Pornograffiti, Pearl Jam came off as this musically mediocre band with interesting lyrics and catchy choruses. They came off as different, though, and that is what made them cool.

I like Extreme and Mr Big is ok, but what made Pearl Jam interesting was the music, they were not and are not a mediocre band, not every band needs to have a 12 bar guitar solo, they have not held on their success for all these years due to mediocre musicianship.

Unlike Winger or Mr Big I have liked every release that Pearl Jam have released, great lyrics, great musicianship and I think Stone Gossard is a great guitartist, and I am not the only one.

I think the greatest testament to Pearl Jam's talent is their staying power. They've been one of the most successful bands over the past 2 decades and they have operated in near obscurity since the mid-90's.

I like STP quite a bit but I can't stand Pearl Jam mostly because of Eddie Vedder.

I prefer Pearl Jam and I am a Stone Temple Pilots fan but what turns me off from that band isnot the music but Scott Weiland pre madonna attitude and all this b.s. drama that surrounds his personal life.