Who/What gives metal a bad rep?

detuned wrote:

Eyesore wrote:

Temple of Blood wrote:

Lurideath wrote:

There is no way Satanists/Hedonists/Atheists give metal a bad rep. I guess 90% is giving it a bad rep then.

SatanISM, HeadonISM, and atheISM are giving it a bad rap. Not the people in their totality. Just those practices, not every single thing those people do.

This sort of thinking gives Christianity a bad rap.

Agreed.

x3

Mullets.

mc666 wrote:

detuned wrote:

Eyesore wrote:

Temple of Blood wrote:

Lurideath wrote:

There is no way Satanists/Hedonists/Atheists give metal a bad rep. I guess 90% is giving it a bad rep then.

SatanISM, HeadonISM, and atheISM are giving it a bad rap. Not the people in their totality. Just those practices, not every single thing those people do.

This sort of thinking gives Christianity a bad rap.

Agreed.

x3

The common man's view of heavy metal is:

1. That is is a clean form of entertainment, void of any bad influence and/or behaviour?

or

2. That it is a loud form of music, played by hateful people, singing about murder, killing, death and satan?



If most people here find 2 to be the answer, then I wonder, why is that so? Why do most people think so? What gave metal this bad rep?
Then go back and re-think ToB's reply..........

Does metal get a worse rep now than rock n' roll got back in the 50's? Or jazz got in the 40's? Over the course of history, any "new" form of music that came along and went against the norm of the day was criticized as leading the youth down the wrong path. Bah!

MetalGuy71 wrote:

Does metal get a worse rep now than rock n' roll got back in the 50's? Or jazz got in the 40's? Over the course of history, any "new" form of music that came along and went against the norm of the day was criticized as leading the youth down the wrong path. Bah!

I don't think very many people are "threatened" by metal anymore, in fact I would be willing to bet that most average people you meet on the street would find it more laughable than scary.

As for "clean entertainment void of any bad influence or behavior". It doesn't exist. Wanna check out something that makes metal look tame by comparison...read some rap/hip hop lyrics.

detuned wrote:

MetalGuy71 wrote:

Does metal get a worse rep now than rock n' roll got back in the 50's? Or jazz got in the 40's? Over the course of history, any "new" form of music that came along and went against the norm of the day was criticized as leading the youth down the wrong path. Bah!

I don't think very many people are "threatened" by metal anymore, in fact I would be willing to bet that most average people you meet on the street would find it more laughable than scary.

Agreed. I think think there is still a very small, slighty nutty, group of people out there that see metal music as evil, but most people have gotten over that fear long ago and have sinced focused on violent video games.

What fun would metal be if we had no satanism, headonism and atheism? If that happened this what we would be listening to:

manny wrote:

What fun would metal be if we had no satanism, headonism and atheism? If that happened this what we would be listening to:

Don't be dissin' Pat Boone! Remember, he went metal too!!

manny wrote:

What fun would metal be if we had no satanism, headonism and atheism? If that happened this what we would be listening to:

AHHHHHHHHHH!! That pure EVIL right there!!

Fat Freddy wrote:

manny wrote:

What fun would metal be if we had no satanism, headonism and atheism? If that happened this what we would be listening to:

Don't be dissin' Pat Boone! Remember, he went metal too!!

Proof postive Freddy that the devil is real!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Pat Boone is The Anti-Christ.

kmorg wrote:

2. That it is a loud form of music, played by hateful people, singing about murder, killing, death and satan?

Someone should totally make a record that is about Murdering Satan and Killing Death (you know, the dude in the long black cloak?). I'd buy that record in a second.

MetalFRO wrote:

Someone should totally make a record that is about Murdering Satan and Killing Death (you know, the dude in the long black cloak?). I'd buy that record in a second.

I hear Pat Boone is working on that very record right now.

Fat Freddy wrote:

manny wrote:

What fun would metal be if we had no satanism, headonism and atheism? If that happened this what we would be listening to:

Don't be dissin' Pat Boone! Remember, he went metal too!!

And look at all the trouble that caused him. While it's clear that his intentions were no more than a joke, after this album was released, his Christian ultra-conservative fan-base was out-raged. He lost his tv show on the Trinity Network and caught allot of flack for it.

MetalGuy71 wrote:

And look at all the trouble that caused him. While it's clear that his intentions were no more than a joke, after this album was released, his Christian ultra-conservative fan-base was out-raged. He lost his tv show on the Trinity Network and caught allot of flack for it.

Good.

And look at all the trouble that caused him. While it's clear that his intentions were no more than a joke, after this album was released, his Christian ultra-conservative fan-base was out-raged. He lost his tv show on the Trinity Network and caught allot of flack for it.[/quote]

Not having a sense of humor gives Christianity a bad name.

MetalGuy71 wrote:

And look at all the trouble that caused him. While it's clear that his intentions were no more than a joke, after this album was released, his Christian ultra-conservative fan-base was out-raged. He lost his tv show on the Trinity Network and caught allot of flack for it.

I call that belated karma coming back to bite him for fathering Debby Boone, who would go on to infect the world with "You Light Up My Life."

The guys that are into Black Metal , and listen to evil music only for the lyrics(i KNOW A BUNCH OF THOSE POSERS ON MY AREA)


The Harcore and nu-metal that makes people think that cookie monster is on all metal bands we listen to

kmorg wrote:

The common man's view of heavy metal is:

1. That is is a clean form of entertainment, void of any bad influence and/or behaviour?

or

2. That it is a loud form of music, played by hateful people, singing about murder, killing, death and satan?



If most people here find 2 to be the answer, then I wonder, why is that so? Why do most people think so? What gave metal this bad rep?
Then go back and re-think ToB's reply..........

atheism has nothing to do with hate, murder, killing, death, & satan. it's simply the disbelief in a higher power. no more, no less.

So everyone still wants to act like the common man's thoughts of metal is that of evil imagery and lyrics. That doesn't make it any less true. I bet if you ask 100 random people in your city, at least 80% of them will equal metal with "evil" as one of the first things they say! Again, why is that, if it isn't the already mentioned ism's that has caused it? Why is people perception if metal this way, if not for these ism's?

Too many quasi-religious discussions going on around here. I think I'll bow out of this thread before I offend.

detuned wrote:

Too many quasi-religious discussions going on around here. I think I'll bow out of this thread before I offend.

Sounds like a good idea. I'm outta here. Let's go grab a beer. First round's on me.

manny wrote:

What fun would metal be if we had no satanism, headonism and atheism? If that happened this what we would be listening to:

We already had "clean" metal...



And it was good... but there is always a place for a darker side of things too.

Trivium as I said before comparing them to thrash metal is like comparing K fed to rap. Those Pantera try hard metalcore bands. Bands that mix emo and metal together. :eyesore:

Christian Metal gives Real Metal a bad name. Metal music sprang up as a reaction against a Christian upbringing. The history and the evidence for this is overwhelming. All of the imagery and theological ideas which were thrust upon these kids at a very early age were scary and confusing and left scars which continued into adulthood. All of these ideas about devils and death and violence and the struggle of good vs. evil were a huge chunk of these musician's subconscious minds. Once one of them made Metal an acceptable outlet for the expression of these Christian ideas, the floodgates opened and everyone walked in for their counseling session. But, most definitely, Christianity gave Heavy Metal it's start, and it's face. That's why I always found it odd when preachers and priests made a public display of denouncing it. And, I find it even odder when it's twisted around and made a platform for Christian Theology.