What would happen if Nirvana hadn't come in the spotlight 1991

Since it was mentioned earlier, here's the cover of Kiss' 'Do You Love Me?' that Nirvana did. Recorded for a Kiss covers album featuring Seattle bands circa the very early 90s.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQbL3Ee3_BY

Kurt seems to have a few troubles with Paul Stanley's vocal range - especially on the bridge.

I still can't decide if I like it or not. They did put their own stamp on the cover though.

HellRaiser wrote:

Since it was mentioned earlier, here's the cover of Kiss' 'Do You Love Me?' that Nirvana did. Recorded for a Kiss covers album featuring Seattle bands circa the very early 90s.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQbL3Ee3_BY

Kurt seems to have a few troubles with Paul Stanley's vocal range - especially on the bridge.

I still can't decide if I like it or not. They did put their own stamp on the cover though.

You totally buried my thoughts on the subject, bro. Now I can't see if the general population agrees with my general gist or if they poop on it.

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he was in the league of a John Lennon or Bob Dylan

David Fricke of Rolling Stone made a similar reference

I think Courtney releasing his journals was a shady thing to do especially since he had when alive expressed that he did not want to publish them

Addy wrote:

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he was in the league of a John Lennon or Bob Dylan

David Fricke of Rolling Stone made a similar reference

I think Courtney releasing his journals was a shady thing to do especially since he had when alive expressed that he did not want to publish them

it was all a money grab. I knew a girl who bought like 3 of them because she was obsessed.

Addy wrote:

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he was in the league of a John Lennon or Bob Dylan

David Fricke of Rolling Stone made a similar reference

I think Courtney releasing his journals was a shady thing to do especially since he had when alive expressed that he did not want to publish them

Oh, snap. I didn't know that he had let his wishes be known on the matter. She's just a piece of dirt. I hear that she has every STD known to man. Center for Disease Control should just shut her down for good before she spreads more of that dirty Love. Their kid is either destined to become a world-renowned rock star herself, or a dirty hose-bag like the mom. Or, maybe a combination of both.

Kurt and Courtney were complete opposites, She loved the spotlight while Kurt was embarassed by it. I thought I remember reading that Kurt & Courtney were seperated and heading towards a divorce when he killed himself. I did believe at one point that he could have been murdered but when people were saying the amount of heroin in his system there was no way he could have pulled that trigger or even held the shotgun, but since had had been a addict for years Im sure he built some tolerance to it. Anyways getting off track here, Im hoping that Frances becomes a renowned Rock star would be interesting I think

I got a copy as a going away gift from a friend (when I was moving to TN) ive not read it at least not yet.

I might not like all the press on her or the way she was acting towards the other guys in Nirvana but I do dig some of her music, though her first solo album did suck

The last Hole album was written mostly by Billy Corgan

Though with the demise of Nirvana one of my favorite bands rose from its ashes in that I mean the Foo Fighters. I love the Foo Fighters

Addy wrote:

Kurt and Courtney were complete opposites, She loved the spotlight while Kurt was embarassed by it. I thought I remember reading that Kurt & Courtney were seperated and heading towards a divorce when he killed himself.

I don't remember that, but that doesn't mean that wasn't the case. In reading "Heavier to Heaven", the book clearly discussed the dysfunctional aspect of that relationship. Shocking, I know...

Addy wrote:

I did believe at one point that he could have been murdered but when people were saying the amount of heroin in his system there was no way he could have pulled that trigger or even held the shotgun, but since had had been a addict for years Im sure he built some tolerance to it.

Oh no, you're teetering here Addy on that fringe that makes up the Kurt "We believe in a murder conspiracy that involved Courtney" Cobain fanbase. Steven Adler has been a heroin junkie for how long now? I'm sure if Steven Adler wanted to kill himself via a gun; he could've committed the act hundreds of times by now.

Addy wrote:

I might not like all the press on her or the way she was acting towards the other guys in Nirvana but I do dig some of her music, though her first solo album did suck. The last Hole album was written mostly by Billy Corgan.

You're not going to be one of those Nirvana fans who also accuses Courtney of supposedly ripping off all of Kurt's left behind riffs are you? I love those fans also. They seem to go hand in hand with all of the conspiracy nuts out there.

Conspiracy theories are a slippery slope which always lead into madness and paranoia. lol. Stay away.

Conspiracy theories are fo' nappy-headed hos. Fo' shizzle.

Marc Mason wrote:

Conspiracy theories are fo' nappy-headed hos. Fo' shizzle.

Are you the black version of Don Imis?

sam wrote:

good post mark.

I agree except for the claim made toward fans of Cinderella and Poison. I am not a young girl nor am I a vacuous adult and I resent the implication that as a fan of many hair bands there is somehow something wrong with me. Yes, the 80s focus was too much on fun and lacked seriousness, but the 90s was just the opposite. There needs to be a balance in rock and metal.

Quite the eloquent post Mark, some kind of English major or do you just have a way with words? Not being condencending, just curious.

metalinmyveins wrote:

Addy wrote:

Kurt and Courtney were complete opposites, She loved the spotlight while Kurt was embarassed by it. I thought I remember reading that Kurt & Courtney were seperated and heading towards a divorce when he killed himself.

I don't remember that, but that doesn't mean that wasn't the case. In reading "Heavier to Heaven", the book clearly discussed the dysfunctional aspect of that relationship. Shocking, I know...

I read Heavier than Heaven as well I got it when it first came out, I might be wrong in that but I could have sworn the book was hinting at that.

Addy wrote:

I did believe at one point that he could have been murdered but when people were saying the amount of heroin in his system there was no way he could have pulled that trigger or even held the shotgun, but since had had been a addict for years Im sure he built some tolerance to it.

Oh no, you're teetering here Addy on that fringe that makes up the Kurt "We believe in a murder conspiracy that involved Courtney" Cobain fanbase. Steven Adler has been a heroin junkie for how long now? I'm sure if Steven Adler wanted to kill himself via a gun; he could've committed the act hundreds of times by now.

I think you misunderstood me here, I said I did believe, meaning past tense, meaning no more. I admit i did once believe that, but then I read Heavier Than Heaven and my whole opinion changed. I dont think Cobain was murdered. My point was just because he had an ungodly amount of heroin in his system and being an addict what might killed someone just starting would affect him differantly because of the past abuse of the stuff which I would imagine give him some form of tolerance.

Addy wrote:

I might not like all the press on her or the way she was acting towards the other guys in Nirvana but I do dig some of her music, though her first solo album did suck. The last Hole album was written mostly by Billy Corgan.

You're not going to be one of those Nirvana fans who also accuses Courtney of supposedly ripping off all of Kurt's left behind riffs are you? I love those fans also. They seem to go hand in hand with all of the conspiracy nuts out there.

Huh??????? Actually I am a fan of Hole as well as Nirvana. Live Thru This was a kick ass album, as was Celebrity Skin when she went solo the album did nothing for me outside the song "Mono" I didnt really care for it. Course I got it when it first came out so it might be time to give it another spin. She has another solo album coming out Im anxious to check it out when it comes out. Frankly I dont care if she stole any riffs or anything from Kurt I dont think she needs his legacy I think she's alright in her own right.

I'm gonna say this and then you guys can flame away.

I think Nirvana SUCKS!

Their music is the equivalent of heavy EMO IMO. Metalheads love to slam emo bands for all their whining. Kurt Cobain wrote some of the whiniest lyrics I've ever heard!

I think the music Dave Grohl has produced post-Nirvana is a million times better than anything Nirvana ever produced.

Kurt Cobain is the most overrated hack ever to ever stumble into pop culture. He was a product of the MTV video generation that held sway over everyone's musical opinions at the time and since every freakin' Nirvana video was in heavy rotation, of course Cobain and his band became icons. Albeit, "manufactured" icons thanks to the ubiquitous presence of MTV at the time.

I'd go as far as to say if "Nevermind" was released today, it would die in ignominy.


Flame away...

Kurt Cobain and Nirvana can't help what MTV or the media does, all they do is put out a record.....i also don't think he wrote whiny lyrics, more cryptic and nonsensical as Kurt was way more worried about hook and melody.

Plus Toho our beloved Wildhearts would of been alot different had Nevermind never came out........Ginger has said many times how important Nirvana were in influencing the Wildhearts sound, and you can see why with both bands dynamics of big guitars and even bigger hooks.

Yeah, I blame Nirvana for the Wildhearts' unfortunate penchant to launch off into riffs and solos that have nothing to do with the core hook of the song.

I was just listening to The ox manur Goes On today and the middle section has nothing to do with the rest of an otherwise excellent song.

That's Nirvana's fault.

This goes beyond whiny; I think this makes emo sound like Shakespeare:

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Rape me
Rape me, my friend
Rape me
Rape me again

am i the only one .IIIII [3x]
am i the Only one...

Hate me
Do it and do it again
Waste me
Rape me, my friend

am i the only one .IIIII [3x]
am ithe Only one...


My favorite inside source
I'll kiss your open sores
I appreciate your concern
You're gonna stink and burn

Rape me
Rape me, my friend
Rape me
Rape me, again

am i the only one ?, IIIII [3x]
am i the Only one?...

Rape me! (Rape me!)[9x]
Rape me!

tohostudios wrote:

Yeah, I blame Nirvana for the Wildhearts' unfortunate penchant to launch off into riffs and solos that have nothing to do with the core hook of the song.

I was just listening to The ox manur Goes On today and the middle section has nothing to do with the rest of an otherwise excellent song.

That's Nirvana's fault.

See i love that about the Wildhearts.......that they randomly go off on a tangent, their songs are never an easy ride to "Poptopia".

I don't think you can blame that on the Nirvana influence.......maybe more of a Big Black noise thing influence.

I don't see a rebuttal for those lame lyrics I posted.

If My Chemical Romance produced a song like that, "metalheads" would crucify it.

tohostudios wrote:

This goes beyond whiny; I think this makes emo sound like Shakespeare:

Quote :

Rape me
Rape me, my friend
Rape me
Rape me again

am i the only one .IIIII [3x]
am i the Only one...

Hate me
Do it and do it again
Waste me
Rape me, my friend

am i the only one .IIIII [3x]
am ithe Only one...


My favorite inside source
I'll kiss your open sores
I appreciate your concern
You're gonna stink and burn

Rape me
Rape me, my friend
Rape me
Rape me, again

am i the only one ?, IIIII [3x]
am i the Only one?...

Rape me! (Rape me!)[9x]
Rape me!

I think your taking those lyrics too literally Toho.......it's meant to be a strong positive and self empowering anti-rape song from the point of view of the woman.....it's kinda saying "Go ahead and rape me but you'll never ruin my life".

Not whiny at all, life affirming more like it.

I could rationalize a lot of emo lyrics similarly.

Bad poetry is bad poetry...period.

I refuse to worship at the Cobain alter because I call ox manur.

He's only an icon because he offed himself during the height of an MTV foisted career.

I'll always think Nirvana was overrated. I'll always maintain Cobain is an icon because he committed suicide at the height of the band's MTV-bolstered career.

Had Cobain been a struggling artist in a band without a publicity machine, his suicide would have been at most, a minor footnote in music history.

IMO of course.

tohostudios wrote:

I could rationalize a lot of emo lyrics similarly.

Bad poetry is bad poetry...period.

I think your unfairly typecasting or misunderstanding 'emo'.......after all what is it?

That is the intention of the song as Cobain has said himself.....plus he never set out to be some lyrical genius like his heroes Westerberg and Mould, like i said before he was way more interested in the hook than the lyric......something you can empathize with in the music you like.

tohostudios wrote:

He's only an icon because he offed himself during the height of an MTV foisted career.

I'll always think Nirvana was overrated. I'll always maintain Cobain is an icon because he committed suicide at the height of the band's MTV-bolstered career.

I think your issue is with MTV and the music media in general not Kurt or Nirvana.
Like i said Nirvana just made music all the hype and icon status is peripheral and comes from the media.....something Kurt detested and did not want.