Queensryche gives new info on "American Soldier"

DreamingNeonBlack wrote:

skullsmasher wrote:

DreamingNeonBlack wrote:

And, by the way, I am a hetero female, so no lady's bum for me.

OMG!!!! A female!!!


I think this may be a first

LOL. What? There are no other females on this board? Am I crashing the boys club? I was invited, but I'm not going to say by whom for fear you will pummel him with tomatoes for inviting an icky girl along to play.

There have been a few, but they always pull the fart in a tornado routine and disappear. My guess is that they can't stand all the PMs they get from the old perverts here, asking if they look anything like Samantha Fox or Lee Aaron.

Alright, heard what Q has brought back with them from the middle-east, yet again. "One more time around..is all I ask for now." In all fairness, this thing is lacking. Oh, fo' sho' fo' sho'. There aren't any memorable guitar hooks, or any significant guitar playing at all to mention. But, then again, Tate wrote the entire piece himself...under duress by the American govt. I do think he did a mighty fine job for a one-man gig. There aren't any quick and easy tracks you'd reach for to turn someone else onto this recording. It's pretty much a inseperable whole... a take-it-all or leave-it-all kinda endeavor. If that's the case, then I will take it, but probably listen to it only as much as Priest's Nostradamus. One can only imagine how this piece might have been elevated by the imput of Chris DeGarmo. Now it's time for some Death Magic Doom, courtesy of Candlemass. I'm hoping that this recording is in the same league as King of the Grey Islands. Because, then we're all in business, son.

I heard "If I were King" just now. :eyesore:

Marc Mason wrote:

Alright, heard what Q has brought back with them from the middle-east, yet again. "One more time around..is all I ask for now." In all fairness, this thing is lacking. Oh, fo' sho' fo' sho'. There aren't any memorable guitar hooks, or any significant guitar playing at all to mention. But, then again, Tate wrote the entire piece himself...under duress by the American govt. I do think he did a mighty fine job for a one-man gig. There aren't any quick and easy tracks you'd reach for to turn someone else onto this recording. It's pretty much a inseperable whole... a take-it-all or leave-it-all kinda endeavor. If that's the case, then I will take it, but probably listen to it only as much as Priest's Nostradamus. One can only imagine how this piece might have been elevated by the imput of Chris DeGarmo. Now it's time for some Death Magic Doom, courtesy of Candlemass. I'm hoping that this recording is in the same league as King of the Grey Islands. Because, then we're all in business, son.

Ugh. Now the album is lacking? First off, Tate didn't write the entire album himself. Secondly, I'd like to know what the running story is here, because despite what Tate says, this album is themed; it's not a concept album as far my ears can tell.

And just for the record DeGarmo has done nothing but alt-rock projects since leaving QR. Even when he did briefly return to co-write a few tune on Tribe, the results weren't anything spectactular. People need to bury DeGarmo, when it comes to QR. In fact, can Tate even write a complete song himself? He hasn't written a single QR song alone. Oh, wait...he did write "Convict," all 8 seconds of it. That's his one solo contribution to the QR catalog. His solo album doesn't even have songwriting credits, which screams ghost writers to me.

Just saying. Tate writes lyrics and plays the sax. That's it.

If you haven't heard the album yet it's streaming here:

http://www.vh1.com/artists/az/queensryche/2397012/album.jhtml

DreamingNeonBlack wrote:

skullsmasher wrote:

DreamingNeonBlack wrote:

And, by the way, I am a hetero female, so no lady's bum for me.

OMG!!!! A female!!!


I think this may be a first

LOL. What? There are no other females on this board? Am I crashing the boys club? I was invited, but I'm not going to say by whom for fear you will pummel him with tomatoes for inviting an icky girl along to play.

My sister often uses my account to read some posts and make some comments on this forum. But most of the girls on this forum are gone

I'm listening to Q's Tribe right now...and I didn't notice it the first time 'round, but this recording bears striking similarities to both U2's Achtung Baby and Debbie Gibson's Electric Youth.

It mimics the modal, harmonic patterns found on the former, and pays homage to the sweeping arpeggiated guitar flourishes found on the latter. Didn't catch those things the first time 'round.

Marc Mason wrote:

I'm listening to Q's Tribe right now...and I didn't notice it the first time 'round, but this recording bears striking similarities to both U2's Achtung Baby and Debbie Gibson's Electric Youth.

It mimics the modal, harmonic patterns found on the former, and pays homage to the sweeping arpeggiated guitar flourishes found on the latter. Didn't catch those things the first time 'round.

Shut up and die.

Marc Mason wrote:

I'm listening to Q's Tribe right now...and I didn't notice it the first time 'round, but this recording bears striking similarities to both U2's Achtung Baby and Debbie Gibson's Electric Youth.

It mimics the modal, harmonic patterns found on the former, and pays homage to the sweeping arpeggiated guitar flourishes found on the latter. Didn't catch those things the first time 'round.

Get it all out now. You won't be here this time next week.

Eyesore wrote:

Shut up and die.

Ouch...

Schbopo wrote:

Eyesore wrote:

Shut up and die.

Ouch...

It's tough love.

DreamingNeonBlack wrote:

LOL. What? There are no other females on this board? Am I crashing the boys club? I was invited, but I'm not going to say by whom for fear you will pummel him with tomatoes for inviting an icky girl along to play.

I'm just kidding,

Hope we don't chase you away, I always welcome a different perspective on things.

Eyesore wrote:

Marc Mason wrote:

I'm listening to Q's Tribe right now...and I didn't notice it the first time 'round, but this recording bears striking similarities to both U2's Achtung Baby and Debbie Gibson's Electric Youth.

It mimics the modal, harmonic patterns found on the former, and pays homage to the sweeping arpeggiated guitar flourishes found on the latter. Didn't catch those things the first time 'round.

Shut up and die.

Mark Mason has been more than a little over the top (and the mods have taken note of this), but I think comments like these are being a little bit excessive. I hope you're kidding...

metalinmyveins wrote:

Eyesore wrote:

Marc Mason wrote:

I'm listening to Q's Tribe right now...and I didn't notice it the first time 'round, but this recording bears striking similarities to both U2's Achtung Baby and Debbie Gibson's Electric Youth.

It mimics the modal, harmonic patterns found on the former, and pays homage to the sweeping arpeggiated guitar flourishes found on the latter. Didn't catch those things the first time 'round.

Shut up and die.

Mark Mason has been more than a little over the top (and the mods have taken note of this), but I think comments like these are being a little bit excessive. I hope you're kidding...

Of course I'm kidding! I would never seriously tell someone to shut up.

Eyesore wrote:

metalinmyveins wrote:

Eyesore wrote:

Marc Mason wrote:

I'm listening to Q's Tribe right now...and I didn't notice it the first time 'round, but this recording bears striking similarities to both U2's Achtung Baby and Debbie Gibson's Electric Youth.

It mimics the modal, harmonic patterns found on the former, and pays homage to the sweeping arpeggiated guitar flourishes found on the latter. Didn't catch those things the first time 'round.

Shut up and die.

Mark Mason has been more than a little over the top (and the mods have taken note of this), but I think comments like these are being a little bit excessive. I hope you're kidding...

Of course I'm kidding! I would never seriously tell someone to shut up.

I'm now having a flashback to a story that Bill Curry told while playing for the Packers in the 65/66 seasons. Lombardi was known for ripping into players at practice, and ripped into a player who I think remains nameless to this day. Lombardi called him a stupid bastard. Bill Curry said to coach Lombardi, "Don't you think that was a little harsh"?

Lombardi: "I apologize; he's not a bastard".

Eyesore, I commend your restraint because you've held out a long time.

Alright, I want to be entirely serious now. Well, at least, I will give that idea a real shot at happening. I am now, at present, totally confident in my assertion that if the long-time Queensryche listener gives this album anywhere from a half dozen to dozen spins, in their entirety, they will feel the same as I do about this 2009 recording...and, that is...that this particular Q album is THE BAND's BEST effort since 1990's Empire.

And, that the only recording that truly really gives this one competition during that entire timeframe is Promised Land, with that one lacking the overall coherency and consistency evident throughout American Soldier. Put it this way, if you begun with absolutely no love for Judas Priest's Nostradamus, but stuck with that convoluted concept piece to the point where the tide actually turned and you began seeing the album for the brilliant work it is...then, it is very likely that the same will happen for you here, with American Soldier, as well. Just stick with it, with ample time seperating each spin. Pull out Nostradamus in the interim.

I'm glad you're enjoying it...but:

- I've been a major 'Ryche fan since 1986
- I've seen them live 3 times
- I've listened to the new CD about 7 or 8 times in its entirety
- IMO, it's still in the bottom half of their discography in terms of ranking...a few really good moments, but those are outweighed by the boring, stale moments
- Both Hear In The Now Frontier and (especially) Promised Land blow this album away, but it is certainly better than Tribe or Q2K...

Better than Tribe, q2k or hitnf, but I need to listen to it more to decides. For some reason, reminds me of promised land, but that is only off one listen - I need to give it a few more spins before I decide

I just got done spinning it through for the 1st time and I like it. Peace.

I like it better than Mindcrime 2...

Mindcrime had to grow on me so maybe with a few listens this will also.

Shawn Of Fire wrote:

I'm glad you're enjoying it...but:

- I've been a major 'Ryche fan since 1986
- I've seen them live 3 times
- I've listened to the new CD about 7 or 8 times in its entirety
- IMO, it's still in the bottom half of their discography in terms of ranking...a few really good moments, but those are outweighed by the boring, stale moments
- Both Hear In The Now Frontier and (especially) Promised Land blow this album away, but it is certainly better than Tribe or Q2K...

I am totally perplexed by what you see in 'Hear in the Now'. Astounded, really. I am befuddled with bewilderment. lol. I might have to go back and re-examine that title since you afford it so many Q-points. It's been a decade without hearing that one...in the now. If I hear now what was 'in the now' back then, will I create some kind of time-continuum paradox, effectively branching together the then and now? I was just so turned off by the corny title and the attempt to make the band sound all modern and grungy. I remember liking sp00l though.

I don't think I want to get this album, as those I respect here have panned it. And let's be completely honest here. Queensryche has not been GREAT since Empire. I don't think one could put together enough good songs from their entire post-Empire catalog to come up with even one above average album. With that said, I am a total QR fan and I don't know why they didn't get in the RnR Hall o' Fame their first year of eligabilty!!!

IMO, the last "great" album they did was Promised Land...that's a dark, weird album and I love it...the last "really good" album was HitNF...