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brokentulsa wrote:

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The only way Texas has no authority is if the land is federally owned..It is my understanding that border wall already completed is on federal lands?

So technically the federal gov under Biden could order the removal of the wall on federal land leaving large holes on the border...I also read that several pro Hispanic organizations are filing lawsuits to stop Texas from building a wall and even some private owners are talking about lawsuits to stop a wall.... I guess first the courts will have to decide who owns what along the entire Texas Border.. And then there are the other states on the Border.. Take New Mexico for example.. They are a blue state and most definitely will not build a wall leaving a gap for people to pour across.. Is Texas gonna build a wall along our west border also

I can imagine the border wall with a few gaps of moron owned private properties. The illegals will be entering through their backyards 24/7.

POP QUIZ TIME!

Who holds the belief that one group/race of people is responsible for holding back the prosperity of another group/race of people?

A) NSGWP in 1933
B) CRT in 2021
C) Both

Troublezone wrote:

exact33 wrote:

Troublezone wrote:

brokentulsa wrote:

TZ wrote:

Greg Abbott the governor of Texas is preparing to build an independent border wall for Texas. I don’t necessarily like him and his Rino tendencies, but that is a great way to stick it to Biden and slow down the human trafficking and drug cartels that the Dems love so much.

Abbott is hardly a rino.. he follows the Trump book to the letter.. Trumps even coming to  campaign for him.. as for a border wall Texas does not have the authority or the money to do it and will wind up spending most of our money on lawsuits over this..  he’s just pandering to his Trump right to try to get reelected.. he has some stiff competition this year..

The article said Texas has a billion. Doesn’t mean he’ll use all of it. Biden will be sued as well (if he hasn’t been already). And more lawsuits to come!

and all the lawyers said AMEN!

Amen “and Women” (for the lefties)  

isn't it birthing people??

TZ wrote:

I can imagine the border wall with a few gaps of moron owned private properties. The illegals will be entering through their backyards 24/7.

Funny you would say that... I just saw a story on our local news recently where they interviewed some people who have homes along the border who said they welcome the illegals to cut across their property and even provide water, food, clothing and help to them.. Remember, Texas is bible belt country and some of the churches (mostly catholic) in Texas are trying to embrace these illegals and help them and tell their members to do the same...

brokentulsa wrote:

TZ wrote:

I can imagine the border wall with a few gaps of moron owned private properties. The illegals will be entering through their backyards 24/7.

Funny you would say that... I just saw a story on our local news recently where they interviewed some people who have homes along the border who said they welcome the illegals to cut across their property and even provide water, food, clothing and help to them.. Remember, Texas is bible belt country and some of the churches (mostly catholic) in Texas are trying to embrace these illegals and help them and tell their members to do the same...

Unfortunately, drug cartels don't care about good intentions, bible belt people or good Samaritans. Criminals are ruthless and will hide among your innocent refugees. Some of the families you speak of will be robbed or killed. Maybe hundreds will pass through until that one deranged criminal kills or rapes. But lets pretend nothing bad happens like we see on the news everyday.

Allowing refugees to enter Biden's way (the illegal way) is careless complacency and indirect support of human and drug trafficking.

Why is that okay to you?

He is all over the place with this TZ, as usual. 

Saying, "churches, mostly Catholic" is a passive aggressive jab at your personal beliefs. The emoji at the end kinda/sorta hammers that point in.

His next move, when the well of BS runs dry, usually after the vague contrarian recollections of others and/or ignoring simple questions is to bring up Trump... Even if Trump has nothing to do with the topic at hand. Then that discussion gets totally ignored or someone gets called a nazi.

This is the pattern.

(IMHDO) BrokenTulsa just likes to F with people for a laugh.
Nothing wrong with that, I do it and openly admit when I'm mocking someone.
Others dig playing that game and not being real about much of nothing, life goes on.

James B. wrote:

He is all over the place with this TZ, as usual. 

Saying, "churches, mostly Catholic" is a passive aggressive jab at your personal beliefs. The emoji at the end kinda/sorta hammers that point in.

His next move, when the well of BS runs dry, usually after the vague contrarian recollections of others and/or ignoring simple questions is to bring up Trump... Even if Trump has nothing to do with the topic at hand. Then that discussion gets totally ignored or someone gets called a nazi.

This is the pattern.

(IMHDO) BrokenTulsa just likes to F with people for a laugh.
Nothing wrong with that, I do it and openly admit when I'm mocking someone.
Others dig playing that game and not being real about much of nothing, life goes on.

Oh I know what their game is…

And I will kick some sand in their faces for a laugh too!

A serious and down to earth conversation is not in their capacity. They literally wait for one of us to make a comment, and then play devil’s advocate with some warped nonsense and insults. A world built on lies and fabricated false narratives is fine as long as they get the results they want. They can’t face facts or hard questions. They resort to insults and changing the subject (as you already mentioned). And their special “tap-out” word:  Nazi.

you guys are goofy ... You think everything's a game or a conspiracy and try to pigeonhole everyone into a belief..we all do that at times... Just because someone votes democrat doesn't mean they 100% support 100% of the dem agenda just like because someone votes republican doesn't mean they support 100% of the republican agenda..
I have always said I support a wall and mass deportation...Trump got that right ..and I was not being passive aggressive or attacking Catholics or any other faith... I was just saying what the news media said on the local news..Actually THEY made the issue out of the Catholics and interviewed a priest down on the border.. I could care less what faith they are.. I have no problem with any faith.. My wife's entire family is catholic (and democrats)... I myself am a Christian (not a mainline denomination but an independent church teaching free grace theology)...you guys say those of us who disagree with you are incapable of A serious and down to earth conversation but you guys are incapable of A serious and down to earth conversation as well ... when both sides completely disagree on something it seems to me both sides have to agree to disagree and move on because no real conversation is possible..I mean sometimes we cant even agree with the definition of a word..take globalist and nationalist..James' definition of those 2 words is not the definition that most of us progressives or even Webster gives them.. and TZ, what you call A world built on lies and fabricated false narratives may actually be what someone else really believes to their core to be truth...alot of what you and james says is imo A world built on lies and fabricated false narratives...

Doesn’t you supporting a border wall and mass deportation run counterproductive to the globalist world you want? I thought no borders was the endgame?

brokentulsa wrote:

I mean sometimes we cant even agree with the definition of a word..take globalist and nationalist..James' definition of those 2 words is not the definition that most of us progressives or even Webster gives them.. 

FFS?

There are  several types of globalism, and I was pretty specific as to which one I referred to in that exchange... Political
Also political globalization can have aspects of social, cultural, evironmental, technological, ecological, sociological, religious, and economic globalization in how it is being utilized, implemented, or enacted.

As far as nationalism goes I was very specific in what I meant. Bing self-reliant and self-sufficient , in context, is an action of nationalism.

Last week you said you were a "moderate". Above you refer to yourself as "us progressives. I get people can be all over the place, but when you attach yourself to a specific ideology in a possessive manner. It changes the dynamic of identification.

Thus my opinion of you being all over the place, totally exemplified.

Troublezone wrote:

Doesn’t you supporting a border wall and mass deportation run counterproductive to the globalist world you want? I thought no borders was the endgame?

I asked the same question and don't recall getting a reply.

TZ wrote:

Doesn’t you supporting a border wall and mass deportation run counterproductive to the globalist world you want? I thought no borders was the endgame?

Let me share my definition of "globalist"... cooperation and understanding between nations. a political principle that advocates greater political and economic cooperation among states and nations.  Some people actually call this Internationalism. It means to me that the  whole planet works together.. Its that simple. No nations interest is above any other nations.. Example: The whole world should work together as one to eradicate covid. It should not be every nation for itself. The wealthy country's like The US and The UK and Russia should work together to help the poor country's take care of the sick and vaccinate the people. Biden is not the only president to be doing this. The well being of All the worlds people should be more important than the well being of only certain people or nations. We should all share technology with each other and products and food with each other.
This does not mean we give up our country's or borders or lifestyles. And in the US that does not mean we try to tell certain people to give up their identity. I think in Muslim neighborhoods they should keep their culture if that's what they want and the same in black, white, etc.
(for the record my definition of nationalism is "identification with one's own nation and support for its interests, especially to the exclusion or detriment of the interests of other nations." in other words putting our country and its needs above other nations...

James wrote:

Last week you said you were a "moderate". Above you refer to yourself as "us progressives. I get people can be all over the place, but when you attach yourself to a specific ideology in a possessive manner. It changes the dynamic of identification.

My definition of progressive means I embrace new ideas, technology, lifestyles and I’m not stuck in the past or hinged on a certain idea forever..
moderate means I am not an antifa loving pc leftist who embraces any and everything that is part of the Democrat agenda.. when I lived in Oklahoma we had to register by party to vote and I actually registered as an independent… In Texas we don’t register by party.. where we live there are conservatives(Trumpers, republicans) and liberals.. most conservatives here view everyone who is not a concervative as a liberal (liberal meaning all liberals, moderates, socialist, atheist, progressives, independents or anyone else who is not a trumper or republican..

A one world government with no countries or borders is an aspect and major goal of globalism. Foreign trade and commerce is just the current economic angle to smokescreen the political endgame.

Brokentulsa wrote:

No nations interest is above any other nations.. Example: The whole world should work together as one to eradicate covid.

And likewise… the whole world should be working together to hold China accountable for the lab that developed COVID-19. That includes shady liars like Fauci, Bill Gates and other opportunist vultures that gained power and money off the pandemic.

Asians have been eating meat from animals in wet-markets for ages. This was a Wuhan creation and leaked on purpose for several reasons. Look at us! Our economy has been devastated. Lockdowns… everything needed to jumpstart a socialist revolution.

BrokenTulsa wrote:

(for the record my definition of nationalism is "identification with one's own nation and support for its interests, especially to the exclusion or detriment of the interests of other nations." in other words putting our country and its needs above other nations...

That is a modified modern definition of the term utilized to place a stigma of correlating it to Nazism, a false narrative. Nazis were Socialists.  I have a dictionary from my school days and there is no mention of "exclusion" or "detriment" in the text of even given in example of synonym. Imagine that!  Similar to how they have recently changed the definition of "racism" to include "racism" in the definition. If you have to use the word to define the word, you are not defining anything.

It is also an antonym for Marxism in the context you stated.

So you are for corporations closing down businesses, moving overseas, and exploiting the workforce there?

brokentulsa wrote:

James wrote:

Last week you said you were a "moderate". Above you refer to yourself as "us progressives. I get people can be all over the place, but when you attach yourself to a specific ideology in a possessive manner. It changes the dynamic of identification.

My definition of progressive means I embrace new ideas, technology, lifestyles and I’m not stuck in the past or hinged on a certain idea forever..
moderate means I am not an antifa loving pc leftist who embraces any and everything that is part of the Democrat agenda.. when I lived in Oklahoma we had to register by party to vote and I actually registered as an independent… In Texas we don’t register by party.. where we live there are conservatives(Trumpers, republicans) and liberals.. most conservatives here view everyone who is not a concervative as a liberal (liberal meaning all liberals, moderates, socialist, atheist, progressives, independents or anyone else who is not a trumper or republican..

Thanks for clarifying

Seems easier to not claim anything in regards to political affiliation/identity?  It confused me  
Now I know where you are coming from.

I have beliefs all over the political spectrum, people call me this, that, or whatever... Do not care. I identify as a liberty and freedom living American

The perfect recent example of globalist agenda  labeled  as "modern socialism" and became what socialism always become, communism.

Venezuela

It worked for a season, so to speak, but the state ruined everything it touched and the nation's wealth promised to it's people was robbed/stolen/appropriated by the elite. Leaving a F'n nightmare of a trainwreck in it's dust.

James B. wrote:

The perfect recent example of globalist agenda  labeled  as "modern socialism" and became what socialism always become, communism.

Venezuela

It worked for a season, so to speak, but the state ruined everything it touched and the nation's wealth promised to it's people was robbed/stolen/appropriated by the elite. Leaving a F'n nightmare of a trainwreck in it's dust.

The Fidel Castro regime wasn’t all that long ago as well… what a nightmare! No wonder the Cubans voted for Trump.

Kinda weird that a “moderate” would get so pissed and antagonistic for much of this thread.

I guess it depends on what day of the week it is… or what side of the bed a person wakes up!

Anyone else see Biden in action at the NATO thing when asked about Putin?

It was like fiber optic turning into dial up while trying to run Windows through Apple software.

exact33 wrote:

James B. wrote:

So the G7 participants agree to a 15% across the board corporate tax, guess who is exempt?

Hint: rhymes with vagina

I wonder if Biden remembers anything without Jill corralling him...

I wonder if you even remember how to breathe with how fucking dumb you are.

James B. wrote:

BrokenTulsa:

As far as spending tax payer $ on demolishing existing border wall, Biden can do an additive order and accomplish that. Yet, it would have political ramifications to the voter base he has already alienated by not keeping campaign promises. Who knows, they've already printed trillions of dollars what is a few billion more? It would have consequences on Representative and Senatorial elections, being not every voter is against border walls (regardless of political affiliations)
Being a BLUE or RED state doesn't automatically mean anything when it comes to immigration, especially in border states. 

The BIG PICTURE is factoring in a new large labor force and how that will effect wages for those already there. That is enough for most to realize how and why things are happening at the border as they are.

Who cares if I piss off my current constituents, we just let a shit load of voters across the border and promised them the moon

spare me the xenophobic bullshit.

James B. wrote:

POP QUIZ TIME!

Who holds the belief that one group/race of people is responsible for holding back the prosperity of another group/race of people?

A) NSGWP in 1933
B) CRT in 2021
C) Both

Oh you're one of those morons whining about Critical Race Theory?  Should've known, racism exists fuckhead, get over it.

brokentulsa wrote:

TZ wrote:

I can imagine the border wall with a few gaps of moron owned private properties. The illegals will be entering through their backyards 24/7.

Funny you would say that... I just saw a story on our local news recently where they interviewed some people who have homes along the border who said they welcome the illegals to cut across their property and even provide water, food, clothing and help to them.. Remember, Texas is bible belt country and some of the churches (mostly catholic) in Texas are trying to embrace these illegals and help them and tell their members to do the same...

Not to mention the dairy industry is so dependent on undocumented workers that it would pretty much collapse if they all left(ironic then that someone as xenophobic as Devin Nunes is depending on the same immigrants he spews xenophobic hatred towards helping keep his dairy farm afloat):https://www.farmprogress.com/dairy/how-wisconsin-s-dairy-industry-came-rely-immigrant-labor