Covid-19 pandemic

And you consider your own responses particularly and brilliantly thought through? I'm not the one trying to go against the grain, you guys are - if anything, that seems more pseudo-intellectual to me.

I assume the same protocols haven't been implemented for other diseases with higher mortality rates because they are more localized and either less infectious, and/or haven't spread rapidly to literally all parts of the world - i.e. they have been more easily contained, an example being Ebola. The SARS epidemic of the early noughties was more deadly, but far less infectious.

I really don't want to try to bite off more than I can chew by trying to do my own, unqualified research on virology - like I said, I'll lead that to the experts.

The links to the vaccine definitions were my way of saying that the definition has not been changed - it remains the same as far as I understand.

Again, you are too warped by your own country's media with regards to credibility and what to believe - as far as I'm concerned, my government's health authorities aren't being paid to push any agenda, other than the safety of its people. It's neutral territory. There may be varying disagreements on how to implement certain things, but we're all on the same, fundamental page. What is this nefarious "agenda" you speak of? Are you trying to somehow convince people that having the vaccine is more dangerous than not having it administered? Is that what you're saying? - if you seriously believe that, then there really isn't much more to talk about. The vaccine definitely offers great protection, and just because people in a few cases get infected anyway (probably mostly due to new variants), doesn't disqualify its efficacy. It has been proven to offer substantial protection, so why not have it done? Do you really think the vaccine is more dangerous than the disease itself?.

Fine, I may have misspoke a bit with regards to restrictions, since it probably varies a lot from state to state, or whatever - your lackluster response to the pandemic being the reason you still have much to deal with from my point of view - while we are well on our way out of the pandemic, you're still very much in it- I don't know why I feel the need to repeat myself, since it seems pretty damn obvious.

Anti-maskers and large swaths of people not giving a flying fuck about social distancing and congregating by the thousands in the middle of a highly infectious disease pandemic exacerbates the problem - plain and simple. An asymptomatic person can still infect other people - people who deal with the disease just fine can still infect other people and pose a great risk to their community in general, especially for at-risk individuals. Take the damn vaccine, there's no empirically evidenced good reason not to.

There’s definitely “something rotten in Denmark” as the saying goes…

Apparently the media there is just as bad as the US. The people eat it up and smile. Of coarse that part of the world is always critical of America and frown on our way of life (capitalism in particular).

Christ, you're hopeless.

Mglaffas81 wrote:

I really don't want to try to bite off more than I can chew by trying to do my own, unqualified research on virology - like I said, I'll lead that to the experts.

Too late for that… but thanks for the effort.

“Leave it to the experts”? Yeah… the corrupt cowards like Fauci that do as they are told by the ruling elite and change their minds constantly. Gotcha!

Mglaffas81 wrote:

Christ, you're hopeless.

Coming from you? Okay sure.

Again - take a step back and look at the worldwide response - you know, the green areas of "Not America" - you calling bullshit on that too?

Entire government protocols are being enforced due to this - are you saying that the entire world is being blindsided and controlled by the media? I'm going to Iceland (I'm half Icelandic) in a few days and if one is not vaccinated, one must quarantine for five days and take two tests - I even have to pre-register and provide a recent negative test - you think they do this just for shits and giggles? It's not like they're gaining anything financially from this, in fact quite the opposite, as the tourism sector and aviation industry take huge hits - forget your ridiculous hate fetish for the "media" and take a look at what sovereign nations all around the world are doing - what the fuck do they have to gain by implementing these restrictions other than trying to curb and control this pandemic?.

I'll take the professional response of the world's medical community over your conspiratorial, flag-waving, deep-state nonsense any day of the week - like the rest of the world.

You clearly don't understand much about Danish politics - we have a market-based economy, with an added welfare model. It's called a mixed economy - and Denmark (along with the other Nordic countries) repeatedly ranks among the least corrupt nations in the world - so there's that.

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“As far as you’re concerned”? What the hell inside info do you have on your government’s agenda? You lemming. Here in the US we have insiders always leaking info on policies in Washington. Denmark is not the focus of the world stage spotlight.

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A dot. Yay

I accidentally double-posted - since I can't delete it entirely, I erased it. But nice to see you're having some cheap fun.

Mglaffas81 wrote:

I accidentally double-posted - since I can't delete it entirely, I erased it. But nice to see you're having some cheap fun.

Lighten up guy…

Don’t be so angry.

Your mistrust of your government in no way delegitimizes my country's medical community - and it doesn't mean I "eat everything raw" either. There have been numerous occasions where I disagreed with my current government's policies regarding the handling of this pandemic, as I thought they made decisions more based on party politics than what the unbiased medical community recommended. Don't conflate your views of the American system with my country's.

First of all:

Mgladffas81's command of the English language puts to shame 95% of the people I know. Outside of my immediate household, it's a struggle sometimes to communicate with folk. If nothing else, the Nordic language-learning system stomps the *&$ out of our model.

Guys, I think the fact that I'm a Conservative is known around here. But I have to say, I don't understand the attack against @Mglaffas81. He has some pretty strong points.

I live in a very Conservative part of the world: W. Texas. On my crew two of us have been vaccinated, and two of us haven't. We are: 56, 52, 47 and 29 years old. The 52 and 29 year old have not been vaccinated, and the 56 year old and the 47 year old have. The two unvaccinated guys have both missed work...with Covid! (Three different bouts between the two of them) The two of us vaccinated? Yep, we haven't even whiffed it. Coincidence? Maybe? Anecdote? Yes. But, both of those guys got hammered hard, and the young guy lost his taste and smell for months.

Yet the young guy, especially, is forever telling us about how dangerous the vaccines are, and that vaccinated people are likely to die horribly within five years!. He's sure it's a Lefty conspiracy. I tell him he should be happy since Democrats are getting vaccinated at much higher rates, within five years he'll live in a Conservative paradise!

I also wonder this; if it's a Lefty conspiracy to get everyone to take a dangerous vaccine, why would they all then voluntarily take said dangerous vaccine? That strikes me as weird.

Now, don't get me wrong. I huge part of me hates the mandates, the tyrannical feel to all of this. Vaccine proof required to dine, but no ID needed to vote!!!!!!!

@Mglaffas81 - I think what you're up against with Americans is the legacy, tradition, etc...of how we came to be. We are almost hysterically against anything that smacks of infringement on our hard fought and hard earned rights. Rights that can deteriorate in a hurry if the people don't stand up for them. We fear the slippery slope! And not without good reason, I believe.

I think how the pandemic started; with heavy lockdowns that destroyed livelihoods and family businesses and kept (notably the most vulnerable) out of school, setting them back almost forever compared to the less vulnerable, and policy hypocrisy amongst different Governors, Mayors, etc... Shutting down parks, State Parks and National Parks!! The outdoors! Shutting down the outdoors where you can get 6000 feet away from people, not just 6. Arresting people for surfing and jogging!! Stopping people from going to church! This set a huge swath of Americans against any and all mandates from Day One.

One thing I would love to time-travel to see what would happen: What if on Day One Trump would have said; "Mask up everyone, for the good of all." Something like that. I promise you that the American Left would have been so against masks that the current Anti-Mask stance would seem like child's play. But, he didn't say that, and here we are. The Lefty media will not replay this: Pelosi and company mocked Trump and called him a racist at the beginning when he stopped flights from China and they made a big virtue-signaling deal of inviting people on down to Chinatown. Hypocrisy.

I also believe that the media/internet/social media/ whipped this pandemic up to a fear/panic level situation worldwide that would not have existed in any other time in human history. Pre-internet this pandemic would have rated a 4 or 5 out of 10. It is a pandemic, but no one should have been out of work/school/church for one day. Instead, it was artificially whipped up to a 10 out of 10 and governments reacted accordingly, out of virtue-signaling and pandering to their constituents.

Another issue is that small, homogeneous nations like the Nordic nations have it easier in getting people to comply. It's really that simple. You are also way less obese than we are. Notice that UK and the US's death rates are way higher than most other developed nations. I pin that squarely on how horribly fat we've become. Obesity and all of the problems inherent with obesity allowed covid to attack and kill these people.

I don’t doubt that covid is a real virus (manipulated in a lab for “gain-of-function” transmission) and that it kills some people… I know it’s real. I personally haven’t been hurt by it. I got sick once with the flu in June, but I powered through it and stayed away from others. The 1000mg of vitamin C seems to work well for me (maybe not for others).

Fauci and Gates (among others) have put most people with underlying poor health between a rock and a hard place. The elderly by default probably needed the experimental vaccine rather than roll the dice with covid… but most healthy adults and children can easily survive it. I think the rate is basically 99% chance of recovery. Like I said before… everyone is different. If someone wants the experimental vaccine, by all means take it. I do not like or agree with any mandate!

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Wrecked Neck was one of the exceptions to the overall statistics of only people having poor health getting severely affected by covid. There is always exceptions…

You are correct Scott, the media took advantage of people’s fear and used it for political gain. The media is evil.

Why are the Dems letting undocumented people in the country without testing or vaccination? If the average US citizen is being forced or required to submit to vaccination, why not everyone? They want it to spread! What is in the vaccine? No one can answer that question. Also the government allows postal workers to not take the jab. Why? They are the ones handling the mail to people’s homes. It’s quite suspicious and hypocritical. Plus many high level Dems are caught frequently on camera without wearing masks (while demanding we do).

The Dems do not look like people in fear to me… they don’t look like they are taking a pandemic seriously. Look at Obama’s birthday party. A big gathering without masks or distancing. Pelosi, Newsom and others always caught without a mask. They definitely don’t act like they are at risk of dying!

To Scott:
I do not believe my replies have been an attack on Mglaffas81? We are just asking questions back and forth.

To Mglaffas81:
Regarding research of anything, I check the source(s) of those giving information, and then check those source(s) back to the info's origin. If no specific sources are given or they say "reliable" or "anonymous" sources, it is a sign of it being total B/ S. Then I check info refuting the info and read any comments available for both sides of the story. Usually common sense prevails, even "experts" are fallible and/or corrupt.

Regarding mRNA technology, I have read a lot of stuff about it and RNA in general. My research helped me understand how it works conceptually. Which is far from having the comprehension to jump in a lab and get busy. If you are uninformed, how do you really know what misinformation is, regardless of who is saying it is?

Simple Question:  If both vaccinated & non-vaccinated people still catch and spread the virus. Why should the personal liberties of only one group be limited or removed? Afteral!, both groups are STILL doing the same exact thing.

For the same reason Hollywood is exempt from social gathering restrictions.

Elites and their lapdog celebrities can hit the pause button when it’s convenient.

Mglaffas81 wrote:

Christ, you're hopeless.

They all are. You should see them trying to explain away Trump's attempt at a coup. It's quite hilarious. Socialism is bad, but autocracy is apparently A-OK.

I should add that my far left liberal friends are just as ridiculous. Haha.

Of coarse someone that is the polar opposite viewpoint politically is gonna call their opponents “hopeless”. It’s been that way since recorded time. It’s all bias though.

Ask the Hatfields and McCoys.

I find it amusing when the arrogant left-wing folks refuse to see the corruption and obvious gaslighting from their own party. Forget human nature… the left can never do any wrong or use conspiracy theories as a weapon to discredit their enemies. Just turn a blind eye and use the socialist Dem controlled media to deflect and deny anything on their side. They aren’t human… they are perfect and blameless.

Let’s be honest… you got to be a real dumbass to believe any of the capital trespassers were gonna take over the country in a coup. They were angry people waved in by Pelosi’s guards.

The real threat is these deliberate shakeups in third world countries to have an excuse to usher in massive amounts of people that are not compatible with western society or obey American laws. Radical Islamic people scoff at America. The Dems have just set the stage for the next terrorist attack willfully. No borders… police are useless after BLM… it’s their perfect dystopian dream.