Covid-19 pandemic

Because I fucking felt like it.

Wrecked Neck wrote:

Because I fucking felt like it.

tohostudios wrote:

exact33 wrote:

Wrecked Neck wrote:

I'm fifty with no major health problems and it nearly killed me. Took months to get my lungs back to almost normal. They are still weaker than what they were pre-covid, so yeah the age factor is a huge percentage of deaths, but I've known people younger and healthier than me that have died. It's this kind of attitude that spread it and make things worse.

And no, I am not saying everyone should get the shot. I got it, but it's my choice. I hope they don't try to make it a requirement. And I do hate the way they are really pushing this shit. Lottery type contests, free gifts and shit, it's very fucking strange bribing people to get a shot.

and now they will be coming door to door. There is a strong desire to split the US into the vaccinated and those not. I think its a personal choice.

I think its fair to say that everyone who wanted to get the vaccine has done so by now. I will not let my kids get the vaccine - I just do not think there is any evidence of the long-term effects.

I agree with you exact, it is a personal choice and if things stay as they are now I don't care what people do.  But it's also my personal choice to not wear a mask since I've been vaccinated.  If we go back to mandatory masking and limiting access to stores just because some people refuse the vaccine, now that personal choice is cancelling out my personal choice and that becomes a problem.

A problem initiated by the power players, NOT by the people that refuse a vaccine.  Blaming the "unvaccinated" will become every man and his dogs go-to.  Welcome to the two-tiered system.  Those with a vaccine, and a sense of moral superiority (not referring to yourself), and those WITHOUT, being treated like killers lurking around waiting to strike.

Blame the people in charge for their egomaniacal bullshit, and REFUSAL to follow ACTUAL science.  Don't blame the people that refuse to have an EXPERIMENTAL DRUG jacked into their veins, especially a drug you can NOT question for fear of being removed from platforms.  Point the finger DIRECTLY where it belongs: the corrupt government, and their toadies in the media.

If someone doesn’t want the F’n experimental vaccine in their bloodstream, they have a right to refuse. The long term side effects cannot be proven safe (yet). But the dishonest media manipulates and lies that it’s totally safe. How would they know? It hasn’t been around long enough. Plus doctors are known to take bribes and payoffs.

The desperation and “door to door” shit is a red flag to me!  Never has the government tried so hard to force anything before. And they can change the infected numbers anytime they want without validation.

China and the G7 “elites” are to blame for the virus and ALL the deaths. The division and public dissension is the icing on the cake.

All the B/S shoveled in the past year and a half plus, and people still listen

If censorship continues to be allowed, eventually the ones who are cool with it now... Will become the next to be silenced.  Afterall, it is being done for everyone's "safety"

Right before our eyes, private corporations and government are working together to silence everything that is a threat to their power. Which is obtaining and maintaining control.  The above mention of being done for everyone's safety is exactly what a group of people in Germany said in the early 30's.

There's a pastor by the name of Greg Locke. Some of you may have heard of him. He is one of the few people I have seen that has big enough balls to tell the government and media exactly what he thinks

Fauci

Well, I knew it was coming. As of Monday St Louis County is reinstating mask mandates for all public indoor spaces. Thankfully I don't live in St Louis County but my Sam's Club is there as are my favorite beer stores but because I knew this was coming I hit up all those places last weekend so I'll just "tough it out" until the local government there comes to its senses (which likely means I'll be buying beer from the local beer stores for a long, long time). I refuse to wear a mask just because some people refuse to get vaccinated. If you want to chance it and go unvaccinated then be my guest and you can deal with the consequences. But I'm not going to wear a mask because of it.

Fully Vaxxed people still get the virus. It’s worthless. It’s like having walking pneumonia… you don’t feel any different, but you can still be in trouble.

Herd immunity should be in effect regardless of the unvaccinated people. Enough people have been sick and recovered. Enough people have the experimental vaccine in the veins.

The government is just pissed that not everyone obeyed them. Their fear campaign has essentially failed. They are trying to anger the vaccinated people to turn on the non-vaccinated. Like when a whole class was punished because of a few others. Keep the people divided until they OBEY.

Sure, fully vaxxed people can still test positive for Covid - but not nearly at the rate of the unvaxxed. And of the vaxxed who do still get the virus the vast majority have little to no symptoms; it's the unvaxxed people flooding the health care system.

So if this is some kind of grand political scheme to turn the vaxxed against the unvaxxed I'd say it's generally working. Except I'm not sure who I'm more upset with, people who stubbornly refuse to get the vaccine because of paranoia or the government who stupidly expects me to give a shit about the people who stubbornly refuse to get the vaccine because of their paranoia. Personally if you don't want to get the vaccine for whatever reason, more power to ya. I don't care. But I also don't care if that decision costs you your life; it's not my responsibility at this point, it's yours. And if you are fine with your decision then I'm fine with mine.

I guess the bottom line for me is this:

As adults we all have decisions to make in life and as adults we also know we have to live with the consequences of those decisions. So when it comes to getting the covid vaccine or not, it's a decision we all need to make. For me, I don't know what the long-term effects of the vaccine might be but I DO know what the short-term effects of getting the virus can be so I'm rolling the dice in favor of the vaccine.

Other people feel getting the vaccine isn't worth the risk of unknown side effects or they have idealogical/political reasons for not getting it. Whatever, it's a decision people make. I'm willing to live with the consequences of mine and I assume if you refuse the vaccine you are willing to live with the consequences of your decision.

That should be the end of it; let the chips fall where they may. But then Mother Government has to step in and because "she" knows what's best, she has to try to protect everyone which means infringing on my rights to accommodate those who have made a different decision. This of course naturally makes me resent those who necessitated this decision but I'm also reasonable enough to realize that it's actually big government sticking its nose in where it doesn't belong which as a libertarian of course always pisses me off.

So I'll leave it at this, if you're willing to live with any consequence of your vaccine decision and I'm willing to live with mine then government should just butt out and let nature take its course. Fair enough?

My take is, before I got the virus, I was going to wait a year or two before I even thought about getting vaccinated. After my wife passed away from it, it almost killing me, and me deciding to move in with my anti-vaccination father, I decided to get it done sooner rather than later. My argument for people that are classified as a high risk for certain death if they get it, is yes, the vaccine MIGHT kill you, but the virus WILL most likely kill you. My mother refuses, my father refuses, both for different reasons, but both in my opinion are acting like children. At least now if one of them gets it, my conscience will be clear. It's ultimately their choice, and I don't harp on them for it, but I can't say I'm not angry and frustrated at them for it.

If the long term side effects screw with me later, then so be it. All I know is, from what I can tell, I have none. I still deal with the lingering problems I have from the virus, but even those are mild for the most part. One more reason I got the shot is, I feel that if I caught it again, because of the damage it did the first time, that second time it would probably be me on the ventilator and my dad pulling the plug on me. I don't want my family to have to make that decision, so I'm trying to avoid it as much as I can.

tohostudios wrote:

Sure, fully vaxxed people can still test positive for Covid - but not nearly at the rate of the unvaxxed.  And of the vaxxed who do still get the virus the vast majority have little to no symptoms; it's the unvaxxed people flooding the health care system.

So if this is some kind of grand political scheme to turn the vaxxed against the unvaxxed I'd say it's generally working.  Except I'm not sure who I'm more upset with, people who stubbornly refuse to get the vaccine because of paranoia or the government who stupidly expects me to give a shit about the people who stubbornly refuse to get the vaccine because of their paranoia.  Personally if you don't want to get the vaccine for whatever reason, more power to ya.  I don't care.  But I also don't care if that decision costs you your life; it's not my responsibility at this point, it's yours.  And if you are fine with your decision then I'm fine with mine.

I understand frustration. We all are in some way.

But that part about not caring if someone dies is a bit harsh. That’s like someone saying who cares if five to ten years from now you get a severe neurological disorder (uncontrollable shaking) or cancer from the vaccine.

tohostudios wrote:

I guess the bottom line for me is this:

As adults we all have decisions to make in life and as adults we also know we have to live with the consequences of those decisions.  So when it comes to getting the covid vaccine or not, it's a decision we all need to make.  For me, I don't know what the long-term effects of the vaccine might be but I DO know what the short-term effects of getting the virus can be so I'm rolling the dice in favor of the vaccine.

Other people feel getting the vaccine isn't worth the risk of unknown side effects or they have idealogical/political reasons for not getting it.  Whatever, it's a decision people make.  I'm willing to live with the consequences of mine and I assume if you refuse the vaccine you are willing to live with the consequences of your decision.  

That should be the end of it; let the chips fall where they may.  But then Mother Government has to step in and because "she" knows what's best, she has to try to protect everyone which means infringing on my rights to accommodate those who have made a different decision.  This of course naturally makes me resent those who necessitated this decision but I'm also reasonable enough to realize that it's actually big government sticking its nose in where it doesn't belong which as a libertarian of course always pisses me off.  

So I'll leave it at this, if you're willing to live with any consequence of your vaccine decision and I'm willing to live with mine then government should just butt out and let nature take its course.  Fair enough?

I agree with this post.

We are not a Jim Jones cult country in which everyone is forced to drink the kool-aid. The Government should have closed the borders when China let the damn thing escape their lab.

The whole thing is a mess! You shouldn’t have to wear a mask because you complied, and non vaxxers should not have to put a experimental vaccine in the veins.

We got people that refuse to eat meat, eat food with gluten etc… what the heck makes the vaxxers and the government think there isn’t people that don’t want a vaccine?

Wrecked Neck wrote:

My take is, before I got the virus, I was going to wait a year or two before I even thought about getting vaccinated. After my wife passed away from it, it almost killing me, and me deciding to move in with my anti-vaccination father, I decided to get it done sooner rather than later. My argument for people that are classified as a high risk for certain death if they get it, is yes, the vaccine MIGHT kill you, but the virus WILL most likely kill you. My mother refuses, my father refuses, both for different reasons, but both in my opinion are acting like children. At least now if one of them gets it, my conscience will be clear. It's ultimately their choice, and I don't harp on them for it, but I can't say I'm not angry and frustrated at them for it.

If the long term side effects screw with me later, then so be it. All I know is, from what I can tell, I have none. I still deal with the lingering problems I have from the virus, but even those are mild for the most part. One more reason I got the shot is, I feel that if I caught it again, because of the damage it did the first time, that second time it would probably be me on the ventilator and my dad pulling the plug on me. I don't want my family to have to make that decision, so I'm trying to avoid it as much as I can.

I understand your stance on this because you almost died (and your wife did). Once again, my condolences…

You did what you thought was right for you! And I’m fine with that. I believe in freedom of choice. Some people will die, others will not…
They say the chance of survival/recovery for most people (especially children) is about 99%. Underlying health conditions seem to be a major reason covid kills.

tohostudios wrote:

it's the unvaxxed people flooding the health care system.

Not necessarily true, do research on " breakthrough cases". You can find a lot of reports on local news sourcex, but it gets memory holed pretty quick and the powers that be here are not reliable for any statistics.

From the top of my head...
Boris Johnson stated Great Britain had 60% of new WuFlu cases were fully vaccinated people. Then walked it back to 46%.
Singapore reported 75% of new WuFlu cases were fully vaccinated people.

I have you source for breakthrough cases in Boston and The number of hospitalization there. They falsely reported The strain on medical facilities last year, so believe what you want. I saw many videos of people sourcing news casts of overcrowded hospitals and a local going and taping empty hospitals in same city.

The  CDC website stated there were over 12,000 reported vaccine deaths and cut that number back by 6,000 hours later.

The White House is unwilling to give any numbers for current cases with staff. Why?

Biden said at the recent Town Hall in Ohio that fully vaccinated people can't get Covid?????? The misinformation and/or censorship is off the hook.

My take is this: If you fall into one of the categories that is more susceptible due to age, heath concerns etc. then please feel free to get vaccinated. If the data holds up that vaccinated people who get Covid again see significantly less symptoms then then the vaccinated are covered.

What I find really distasteful and degrading is those who take the view that if you do not get the vaccine somehow that equates to being backwards, illiterate and anti-vax and your movement and freedom should be curtailed until you submit.

MIT recently did a study that showed that a substantial portion of public-health skepticism was highly informed, scientifically literate, and sophisticated in the use of data. Skeptics used the same data sets as those with the orthodox views on public health.

The simple fact is the Covid vaccines are not FDA approved, they are authorized for emergency use as longer term studies take place. We have seen after a long-term study that the HPV vaccine lowered fertility rates in those that were vaccinated by 50% compared to those not vaccinated. This obviously is one study and other vaccines have proven safe after long-term study. The long-term effects of the Covid vaccines are unknown.

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your movement and freedom should be curtailed until you submit.

And this is precisely what is being done to those of us in Missouri who have been vaccinated.  We're having our movement and freedom curtailed to accommodate the unvaccinated.  I'm not saying it's the fault of those who refuse the vaccine but maybe you can understand my frustration with the situation.  Now I can't go wherever I want or shop wherever I want unless I want to put a mask on again and I'm as adamant about NOT doing that as you who refuse the vaccine are about not getting it.  

And I'll say it again, I honestly don't care what happens to anyone who is not vaccinated.  You made the decision so you live with the consequences.  Just like I made the decision to BE vaccinated and I too will live with the consequences and if those consequences are dire I will not expect anyone to feel sorry for me because I knew the risks going in.  Just like you know the risks of not being vaccinated.  We're all rolling the dice in one way or another.

tohostudios wrote:

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your movement and freedom should be curtailed until you submit.

And this is precisely what is being done to those of us in Missouri who have been vaccinated.  We're having our movement and freedom curtailed to accommodate the unvaccinated.  I'm not saying it's the fault of those who refuse the vaccine but maybe you can understand my frustration with the situation.  Now I can't go wherever I want or shop wherever I want unless I want to put a mask on again and I'm as adamant about NOT doing that as you who refuse the vaccine are about not getting it.  

And I'll say it again, I honestly don't care what happens to anyone who is not vaccinated.  You made the decision so you live with the consequences.  Just like I made the decision to BE vaccinated and I too will live with the consequences and if those consequences are dire I will not expect anyone to feel sorry for me because I knew the risks going in.  Just like you know the risks of not being vaccinated.  We're all rolling the dice in one way or another.

I get the risk for the unvaccinated but I don't get the logic of curtailing movement for the vaccinated...

Me either. If anything that sends the message that the vaccines don't work. It's certainly a disincentive to getting one.

tohostudios wrote:

Other people feel getting the vaccine isn't worth the risk of unknown side effects or they have idealogical/political reasons for not getting it.  Whatever, it's a decision people make.  I'm willing to live with the consequences of mine and I assume if you refuse the vaccine you are willing to live with the consequences of your decision.  

So I'll leave it at this, if you're willing to live with any consequence of your vaccine decision and I'm willing to live with mine then government should just butt out and let nature take its course.  Fair enough?

Or some of us use raw data to make a decision. Extremely low mortality rate, majority of cases are asymptomatic, age, general health, risk factors, etc. I don't need this vaccine, just like I don't need the flu jab.

I'm more than willing to accept the consequences of MY choice. I do so every single day of my life.

SideShowDisaSter wrote:

tohostudios wrote:

Other people feel getting the vaccine isn't worth the risk of unknown side effects or they have idealogical/political reasons for not getting it.  Whatever, it's a decision people make.  I'm willing to live with the consequences of mine and I assume if you refuse the vaccine you are willing to live with the consequences of your decision.  

So I'll leave it at this, if you're willing to live with any consequence of your vaccine decision and I'm willing to live with mine then government should just butt out and let nature take its course.  Fair enough?

Or some of us use raw data to make a decision.  Extremely low mortality rate, majority of cases are asymptomatic, age, general health, risk factors, etc.  I don't need this vaccine, just like I don't need the flu jab.

I'm more than willing to accept the consequences of MY choice.  I do so every single day of my life.

Exactly. That what all adults do, live with the consequences of your decisions. Government needs to stay the hell out of it. And BTW, I've never gotten the flu vaccine either because I've never had the flu. But it's less deadly than covid so I took my chances with this vaccine.

The more I've thought it over the past couple days the more upset I am with government for sticking its nose in where it doesn't belong. If you're an adult, by now you've either gotten vaccinated or decided you're not going to so wearing a mask "until we can get more people vaccinated" (which is the rationale around here) is total bullshit. Unless they're going to start dragging people from their homes and sticking them with a needle, it ain't happening. I keep saying it, let nature take it's course you beurocratic nitwits.

I swear having had covid has given me paranoia. My dad is sick. He did test for covid a nd it came back negative, but he never gets sick and this is a very severe cold, or flu or who knows what. It acts a hell of a lot like my covid did though, and it's making me nervous. No fever though, but I just tested his oxygen level and it was at 91%. Still in the safe zone, but borderline hospital time according to what the nurse was telling me when I had covid. He's so pigheaded and stubborn though, he'd probably die before he goes to the hospital. I'm hoping it's nothing more than the flu or I'll even take pneumonia, but man I'm worried. I fucking hate these times.

I think we're all paranoid.  I know every little cough or throat tickle sends me scurrying for a thermometer.  And to make matters worse I hear the delta variant doesn't have the same symptoms the original did.  At any rate, I blame some of the paranoia on the media.  I mean EVERY freakin' story talks about covid this, vaccine that, percentage in hospitals... SHUT THE HELL UP!!!!! 

I still say, 99% of the people who were going to get vaccinated have been.  The rest have long ago decided they're not getting it.  So stop beating a dead horse and just let the chips fall where they may.