All things Metallica

I really like Load & ReLoad. Even the songs that are meh have some good riffs. If a band like COC had released those albums they'd probably get more credit.

I can't say I hate either one of those;too strong a word. I bought Load as a new release but never could get into it and sold it off. The songs I heard off Re-Load I didn't like. Maybe I'll eventually give them a try.

Load and Re-Load are the only Metallica records that I do not own. I remember really disliking both of them, I could not appreciate what they were going for on those two albums.

candlemass wrote:

Not sure I understand all the hate for "Load" and "Reload", considering this is one of their best tracks ever!

I was just jamming this one yesterday. This song might very well have my favorite Kirk Hammett guitar solo post ...And Justice For All and would rank in my top 10 of Kirk's all time!

Load and Reload are excellent albums.

Thelemech wrote:

Load and Re-Load are the only Metallica records that I do not own. I remember really disliking both of them, I could not appreciate what they were going for on those two albums.

They were going for $$$$ just like they always do.

candlemass wrote:

Not sure I understand all the hate for "Load" and "Reload", considering this is one of their best tracks ever!

I could write a book on my hate for those two pos albums, but I don't have time. Besides, the best song by them is this one...

How you go from that, to what you posted is beyond me. Three out of four same band members, go from thrash perfection to whatever you wanna call load And re-load, is just sacrilege.

Wrecked Neck wrote:

How you go from that, to what you posted is beyond me. Three out of four same band members, go from thrash perfection to whatever you wanna call load And re-load, is just sacrilege.

So many people say this, yet fail to look at themselves for the answer. I have friends who used to listen to death metal exclusively. Now, 20+ years later, they still listen to death metal, but they also listen to Sarah McLachlan. But they ask the same question about all kinds of bands. Doesn't make sense to me.

Eyesore wrote:

Wrecked Neck wrote:

How you go from that, to what you posted is beyond me. Three out of four same band members, go from thrash perfection to whatever you wanna call load And re-load, is just sacrilege.

So many people say this, yet fail to look at themselves for the answer. I have friends who used to listen to death metal exclusively. Now, 20+ years later, they still listen to death metal, but they also listen to Sarah McLachlan. But they ask the same question about all kinds of bands. Doesn't make sense to me.

That's not me. Yes I listen to pink floyd and Mozart, Porcupine Tree and The Doors, but I've been listening to them since I got into music. I know the point you're trying to make, but the difference to me is they got greedy and changed their style for money, not change in taste. If that were the case, then why have they tried to go back to their roots with the last two albums?

Lots of people hate new opeth stuff also. But I dont hate the new stuff at all. I think they are brilliant musicians, and changed their style, not for money, but for the reason you say metallica did. They grew out of the whole death metal thing and wanted to go a different direction. Metallica just did it for the money plain and simple. Which is sad, because they were already huge well before ...and justice for all was released.

I do my job for money, solely for money. If it wasn't for the money I wouldn't go! Maybe Metallica are the same, maybe they really wan't to do what's inside of them, none of us will ever really know. My personal belief is that as a metal band, their situation is pretty unique, they sold insane numbers of records and have the kinds of industry pressures that are usually reserved for Madonna and MJ. I think that they have always had voices in their ears that they have to adapt to 'stay relevant' and I think that they listen to them too easily but I don't think it is about money, they can tour the world playing Sandman and Master of Puppets till kingdom come and make a ton of cash without releasing another note

What I do know is they are Metallica and they will do whatever the F*ck they like because they are Metallica, don't like it don't buy it.

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What I do know is they are Metallica and they will do whatever the F*ck they like because they are Metallica, don't like it don't buy it.

They got old, just like the rest of us. At least they were gracious enough to still record new music when they didn't have to do anything at all.

Oh I don't like it, and haven't bought crap from them since the live shit binge and purge box set. I still had love for them even with the black album. Saw them twice on that tour. Still had hope they would turn it around and go back to what they once were. Then I hear the debut song off their upcoming album and it made me wanna puke. Swore them off from then on, and don't plan on going back.

I had no hopes for this album but after various listens, i am really starting to enjoy it. I will pick it up.

It is a real return to form.

I find it weird that people either love Load & Reload or hate Load & Reload. I love Load and hate Reload! I know it's the same style and the same recording sessions but song wise all of the gold is on
Load.

The Memory Remains is the only song I really like off of Reload.

Load isn't the best thing in the world, but it's a solid album. I'd agree that Reload is mostly miss rather than hit.

As a whole I like Load better; it just seems to flow better throughout but of the songs I like I prefer ReLoad and I prefer ReLoad's bluesier style, I like it better musically.

Wrecked Neck wrote:

Eyesore wrote:

Wrecked Neck wrote:

How you go from that, to what you posted is beyond me. Three out of four same band members, go from thrash perfection to whatever you wanna call load And re-load, is just sacrilege.

So many people say this, yet fail to look at themselves for the answer. I have friends who used to listen to death metal exclusively. Now, 20+ years later, they still listen to death metal, but they also listen to Sarah McLachlan. But they ask the same question about all kinds of bands. Doesn't make sense to me.

That's not me. Yes I listen to pink floyd and Mozart, Porcupine Tree and The Doors, but I've been listening to them since I got into music. I know the point you're trying to make, but the difference to me is they got greedy and changed their style for money, not change in taste. If that were the case, then why have they tried to go back to their roots with the last two albums?

Lots of people hate new opeth stuff also. But I dont hate the new stuff at all. I think they are brilliant musicians, and changed their style, not for money, but for the reason you say metallica did. They grew out of the whole death metal thing and wanted to go a different direction. Metallica just did it for the money plain and simple. Which is sad, because they were already huge well before ...and justice for all was released.

And yet Opeth are also now more popular than ever. You don't think that has anything to do with their continued abandonment of death metal? When it's your job, every band does things for money.

Wrecked Neck wrote:

Oh I don't like it, and haven't bought crap from them since the live shit binge and purge box set. I still had love for them even with the black album. Saw them twice on that tour. Still had hope they would turn it around and go back to what they once were. Then I hear the debut song off their upcoming album and it made me wanna puke. Swore them off from then on, and don't plan on going back.

You will, when the next album comes out, just so you can complain again. =)

Boris2008 wrote:

I find it weird that people either love Load & Reload or hate Load & Reload. I love Load and hate Reload! I know it's the same style and the same recording sessions but song wise all of the gold is on
Load.

I don't get how anyone could like Load and not like Reload. Out of both albums, the only song I never liked was "Ronnie," but at some point even that one grew on me.

Easy 'Load' was a great album, with solid songs, but 'Reload' had a few good tunes, but not as memorable or frankly not as good as 'Load'

Eyesore wrote:

Wrecked Neck wrote:

Eyesore wrote:

Wrecked Neck wrote:

How you go from that, to what you posted is beyond me. Three out of four same band members, go from thrash perfection to whatever you wanna call load And re-load, is just sacrilege.

So many people say this, yet fail to look at themselves for the answer. I have friends who used to listen to death metal exclusively. Now, 20+ years later, they still listen to death metal, but they also listen to Sarah McLachlan. But they ask the same question about all kinds of bands. Doesn't make sense to me.

That's not me. Yes I listen to pink floyd and Mozart, Porcupine Tree and The Doors, but I've been listening to them since I got into music. I know the point you're trying to make, but the difference to me is they got greedy and changed their style for money, not change in taste. If that were the case, then why have they tried to go back to their roots with the last two albums?

Lots of people hate new opeth stuff also. But I dont hate the new stuff at all. I think they are brilliant musicians, and changed their style, not for money, but for the reason you say metallica did. They grew out of the whole death metal thing and wanted to go a different direction. Metallica just did it for the money plain and simple. Which is sad, because they were already huge well before ...and justice for all was released.

And yet Opeth are also now more popular than ever. You don't think that has anything to do with their continued abandonment of death metal? When it's your job, every band does things for money.

Maybe they are and maybe not. They still play the same size venue up here in Seattle that they have since the first time I saw them during the Watershed tour.

And not true about every band does things for money. Not in the context you're saying anyways. I don't see megadeth changing their whole style of music just to get rich. Never heard an Overkill ballad yet. Still waiting for that rap metal album from slayer.

Anyway, we'll just agree to disagree, not worth arguing over. You have your opinion, I have mine.

Eyesore wrote:

Wrecked Neck wrote:

Oh I don't like it, and haven't bought crap from them since the live shit binge and purge box set. I still had love for them even with the black album. Saw them twice on that tour. Still had hope they would turn it around and go back to what they once were. Then I hear the debut song off their upcoming album and it made me wanna puke. Swore them off from then on, and don't plan on going back.

You will, when the next album comes out, just so you can complain again. =)

Yeah, and the good news there is, I won't have to wait eight years for a new album to bitch about either according to the radio. They said they will be working on new stuff really soon, so get ready for round two lol

Wrecked Neck wrote:

And not true about every band does things for money. Not in the context you're saying anyways. I don't see megadeth changing their whole style of music just to get rich. Never heard an Overkill ballad yet. Still waiting for that rap metal album from slayer.

Megadeth didn't change their sound at any point? Are You kidding me? Metallica's Black album was the blue print for more than a few bands in the thrash genre changing something on their next effort. Megadeth's "Countdown to Extinction" was most definitely a huge departure from "Rust In Peace" and one could say the band didn't get back to a thrash sound until "The System Has Failed". Hell, look no further than Bud Prager's influence on "Risk". He had a handful of writing credits and was a co-manager of Bad Company and Foreigner (along with being a former member).

Then you have Overkill's "I Hear Black" (1993). This album was definitely in response to the success of the black album. Here is a quote from Blitz: "On I HEAR BLACK [1993], we tried to go the other way and were kind of left with a directionless record and it probably clutched onto this since." -http://www.metal-rules.com/metalnews/2005/07/28/overkill-vocalist-bobby-blitz-ellsworth/

For whatever reasons "The Ritual" by Testament was conceptualized, it certainly pales in comparison to anything the band wrote previously. How ironic that it was written in 1992, a year after the Black album.

Let's move on to Anthrax's "Sound of White Noise". That album also sounds NOTHING like any regarding their previous efforts. That album came out in 1993. It's stylistically incompatible with the rest of their catalogue, though an album I enjoy.

Then you have Exodus' "Force of Habit", which debuted in 1992. The band doesn't even play anything off that album anymore and haven't for a very long time and the reasons are obvious.

You also have Suicidal Tendencies "Art of Rebellion" (1992), which got away from what was clearly a thrash metal direction with the bands two previous efforts.

It doesn't even really matter why bands changed their sound after Metallica's Black album, whether it was only one record or multiple records, as the reverberations were felt from the success of Metallica in 1991. Whether bands willingly tried to piggyback on the success of Metallica or whether record companies were the impetus behind those albums, it came down to the almighty dollar!

Wrecked Neck wrote:

Yeah, and the good news there is, I won't have to wait eight years for a new album to bitch about either according to the radio. They said they will be working on new stuff really soon, so get ready for round two lol

If they call it Rewired To Self Destruct I'm officially done with this band!!