St. Anger re-recorded

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It's an interesting experiment by those 2 guys

Even more impressive is that it took 4 guys to make the original St. Anger sound that bad, but only 2 guys to "fix" it.

I would still keep a mile away from St. Anger.

Unless they pull out something really amazing this year, I doubt I'll ever own a Metallica album post-Justice.

I heard this yesterday. Sounds better, but, as someone already said, you can't polish a turd.

DevZor wrote:

Gotta disagree with you on that point.  At least St. Anger has personality, for all of its missteps st least it's not entirely bland, in my books that's worse.

Bored this evening so I watched the rest of the vid. Forgot how much I like invisible kid and sweet amber.

I didn't hear any personality on that album whatsoever, just the band desperately trying to appeal to the alternative crowd and failing miserably, it was so boring it nearly put me into a coma.

Fair enough. Opinions on what is interesting vary. From my point of view St. Anger, for all of it's flaws is much more interesting an artistic (or lack thereof depending on where you stand) statement than the scores of paint by numbers metal bands that check all the "metal" boxes but sound entirely robotic and sanitised. St anger is far from sanitary, love it or hate it it's a mess, and for me that's the charm, the "personality"

Lurideath wrote:

I heard this yesterday. Sounds better, but, as someone already said, you can't polish a turd.

No, you can polish a turd, and this is it. A polished turd.

Vexer6 wrote:

DevZor wrote:

Gotta disagree with you on that point.  At least St. Anger has personality, for all of its missteps st least it's not entirely bland, in my books that's worse.

Bored this evening so I watched the rest of the vid. Forgot how much I like invisible kid and sweet amber.

I didn't hear any personality on that album whatsoever, just the band desperately trying to appeal to the alternative crowd and failing miserably, it was so boring it nearly put me into a coma.

I don't think they were trying to appeal to any crowd at all; they were trying something different and didn't have a producer with big enough balls to tell them that, while different, it was f*cking stupid. A good producer would have told them this, or at least told them the songs were weak.

Metallica had total artistic control (in their contract) so in reality all a producer could do would be to "suggest" things.

I didn't dislike the original.

All Within My Hands is GREAT! Which brings me to a great disappointment with this re-recording: They didn't to the KILL KILL KILL KILL KILL part! You can say whatever you want about the KILL shouting being childish or stupid or whatever, but damn it, the guitars and the drums were doing some dark and heavy s**t right there! One of my favorite album endings ever!

Now with this re-recording they only left the KILL KILL shouting (and made it a joke at the end) and completely took the music out.

I thought this whole "St. Anger 2015" re-recording thingy was unusual enuff to write a piece about for my HubPage blog. Like to see it? Here it go:

http://fatfreddyscat.hubpages.com/hub/St-Anger-2015-Diehard-Fans-Re-Record-Metallicas-Most-Misunderstood-Album

Nice review. Spot on.

^ thanx!

According to the "#STANGER2015" Facebook page (yep, that's the official name for the project, hashtag 'n' all), they got word today from Q-Prime that James Hetfield himself has heard the re-do and he gave it the thumbs-up...

Eyesore wrote:

Vexer6 wrote:

DevZor wrote:

Gotta disagree with you on that point.  At least St. Anger has personality, for all of its missteps st least it's not entirely bland, in my books that's worse.

Bored this evening so I watched the rest of the vid. Forgot how much I like invisible kid and sweet amber.

I didn't hear any personality on that album whatsoever, just the band desperately trying to appeal to the alternative crowd and failing miserably, it was so boring it nearly put me into a coma.

I don't think they were trying to appeal to any crowd at all; they were trying something different and didn't have a producer with big enough balls to tell them that, while different, it was f*cking stupid. A good producer would have told them this, or at least told them the songs were weak.

There's no doubt that Bob Rock had worn out his welcome with the band by this point. It's not that he wasn't a capable producer, but he had literally become a part of the inner circle. He played bass on this album; he sat in on many of the therapy sessions with Phil Towle and various members of Metallica; he vacationed with members of the group; he had produced five prior works up until this album (Black, Load, Re-Load, Garage, Inc., & S&M),etc... He became a "Yes" man within the group. If you watch the way he was dictatorial in "A Year and a Half in the Life of Metallica", while recording the Black album, it's night and day, when you compare his influence or lack thereof with that of "Some Kind of Monster."

Due to the nature of that relationship in 2001/02, Lars, who has always been very self-aware about what was/is trendy within the music scene, took full advantage of his relationship with Bob Rock. I love documentaries, and I love Some Kind of Monster, even though it's cringe worthy at times. One of my favorite moments in the film, is when the band starts to discuss the ideas of solos or no solos. It's compelling, because it's one of the few times we have ever seen Kirk take a contrarian viewpoint. In fact, Kirk is so uncomfortable, his nervous body language and his lack of eye contact while arguing his point, is telling when it came to his voice and decision making within the band.



So, do I think the band was trying to appeal to a crowd? Hell yes! I'm not going to bash Lars for that either, as he has always been the most myopic member in the band. Lars, with that of Q-Prime Management, helped take what was a band in that of Metallica and turned it into what could be deemed a corporation. It's not even about what band Metallica might have been trying to sound like, as there were a few bands that Lars couldn't stand around that time; I.E Limp Bizkit. His rage regarding Fred Durst and that band was legendary if one ever read So What (fan club magazine), just prior to Garage, Inc coming out. It was why the band rediscovered their roots on Garage Inc and culled from it that awesome Mercyful Fate medley. With having said that, Lars also had the vision of packaging his band with that of what was very trendy at the time. Just click on the link below and see who the band toured with from 1996 on. Clearly, Lars wanted to lump his band within that of what was hot. Whether he thought those groups were shit, good, etc... that's a whole other thing. And yes, Lars was/is the brains behind Metallica's decision making, as he, Cliff Burnstein and Peter Mensch are the reason Metallica have become whatever people choose to see them as today.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Metallica_concert_tours

I love the Some Kind of Monster documentary. After watching it I didn't exactly forgive the band for St. Anger, but it definitely helped me understand why that album turned out to be such a clusterf*ck. Each of the guys (Bob Rock included) were so wrapped up in their own sh*t at the time that they really had no business trying to make an album.

Fat Freddy wrote:

Each of the guys (Bob Rock included) were so wrapped up in their own sh*t at the time that they really had no business trying to make an album.

Exactly. That album should never have been recorded. The band was in shambles, James was in rehab and they had no bass player. They had no business trying to write and record an album at that time.

St. Anger is the equivalent of a fighting married couple on the verge of divorce and instead deciding to have a baby in the hope of bringing them closer together. It never works.

Fat Freddy wrote:

I love the Some Kind of Monster documentary. After watching it I didn't exactly forgive the band for St. Anger, but it definitely helped me understand why that album turned out to be such a clusterf*ck. Each of the guys (Bob Rock included) were so wrapped up in their own sh*t at the time that they really had no business trying to make an album.

I was in such a low place when that album came out in May of 2003, I was hoping that album would lift my spirits some. I actually became more depressed. I think the documentary was one of the catalysts for myself becoming more introspective about who I was, the value I placed on relationships (especially with my guy friends), guys and their inability to have real communication, the stigma that comes with men who share feelings, etc...

I don't recall if the documentary said anything about it, but I'm fairly sure that somewhere in the background, the recording sessions were being hurried along by a record label suit who was tapping his foot, pointing at his watch and sayin' "C'mon fellas, it's been five years since your last record, what's the hold up?"

Put that on top of all the other sh*t they were going through and presto, you have the Perfect Storm.

Fat Freddy wrote:

I don't recall if the documentary said anything about it, but I'm fairly sure that somewhere in the background, the recording sessions were being hurried along by a record label suit who was tapping his foot, pointing at his watch and sayin' "C'mon fellas, it's been five years since your last record, what's the hold up?"

Put that on top of all the other sh*t they were going through and presto, you have the Perfect Storm.

Well, if you remember, the band was recording at The Presidio, just prior to James going into rehab. They had already been there a few months and then James checked into rehab. Then the band goes on a long hiatus. When James came back into the fold, they were essentially working around James rehab schedule, as he was trying to stay sober. That led to maybe the most captivating scene of the doc...

That scene alone should make you want to punch Lars square in the face. If it doesn't, you are an android that is following the First Law of Robotics and sparks should be shooting out of your audio canals over conflicting commands.

On another note, I've found my new favorite swear word...PUTAIN!!

What a bunch of self-absorbed, narcissistic twits. Who could put up with this nonsense?

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Who could put up with this nonsense?

Apparently, Kirk Hammett is the only one who could, Jason wisely jumped ship.

Seriously, tho, I felt sorry for Kirk all thru that documentary. He obviously holds very little power in that band, he spends the whole movie trying to stay out of the line of fire, like "yeah, yeah, yeah, whatever, can we just get past this sh*t so we get out there and play?" but the other two Giant Egos won't let it happen!!

I bet Kirk does a happy dance whenever he takes a look at his bank account balance.  I'd put up with a LOT of crap with that kind of payoff.

Metallica has sold 54 million albums in the US alone since 1991, that puts them in 3rd place behind Garth Brooks and The Beatles for most albums sold in the Soundscan era.

MetalGuy71 wrote:

That scene alone should make you want to punch Lars square in the face

There used to be a 3 minute montage on YouTube of how many times Lars said f**k in that movie, but I can't find it anymore.

Guess I'll stick with this video for my Metallica repetition needs: