The vinyl collecting thread...

Have fun Shawn, vinyl rocks

James B. wrote:

Have fun Shawn, vinyl rocks

I will....now I just have to get a damn turntable.

I'm looking at a Sony to intergrate into my Sony receiver/CD player set up...old shool w/ tall floor speakers.

Does anyone bother collecting 45's? I saw some sweet 45's by Journey, Van Halen, Kansas & DLR at a local used vinyl place in original color print sleeves for between $5 and $8 today.

Shawn Of Fire wrote:

Does anyone bother collecting 45's? I saw some sweet 45's by Journey, Van Halen, Kansas & DLR at a local used vinyl place in original color print sleeves for between $5 and $8 today.

I collect 45s, but usually only picture discs or something with exclusive tracks. Picture sleeve 45s are pretty common if they are just regular singles.

Shawn Of Fire wrote:

I think I'm about to head down the endles vinyl highway...

I have had a copy of Kansas - Drastic Measures for years on vinyl, and my label boss is about to hand me his extra copies of Point Of Know Return and Monolith...bringing me to a whopping 3 vinyl titles...

Here I go...

The good news is that used vinyl is usually cheap and many people will give you their old collections because they view them as worthless/obsolete. New vinyl is much more expensive than cds, but they come in many cool colors and variations. If you have OCD, you are doomed!

Witchfinder wrote:

Shawn Of Fire wrote:

I think I'm about to head down the endles vinyl highway...

I have had a copy of Kansas - Drastic Measures for years on vinyl, and my label boss is about to hand me his extra copies of Point Of Know Return and Monolith...bringing me to a whopping 3 vinyl titles...

Here I go...

The good news is that used vinyl is usually cheap and many people will give you their old collections because they view them as worthless/obsolete. New vinyl is much more expensive than cds, but they come in many cool colors and variations. If you have OCD, you are doomed!

Yeah, I laid my OCD (mostly) to rest a while back. I'm only OCD these days about particular bands as opposed to music as a whole.

Like in the case of those 45's...rare or not, I want them if they're Journey, Van Halen, U2, Kansas and are in color printed sleeves...I most likely won't bother with the plain paper sleeve ones.

Shawn Of Fire wrote:

Witchfinder wrote:

Shawn Of Fire wrote:

I think I'm about to head down the endles vinyl highway...

I have had a copy of Kansas - Drastic Measures for years on vinyl, and my label boss is about to hand me his extra copies of Point Of Know Return and Monolith...bringing me to a whopping 3 vinyl titles...

Here I go...

The good news is that used vinyl is usually cheap and many people will give you their old collections because they view them as worthless/obsolete. New vinyl is much more expensive than cds, but they come in many cool colors and variations. If you have OCD, you are doomed!

Yeah, I laid my OCD (mostly) to rest a while back. I'm only OCD these days about particular bands as opposed to music as a whole.

Like in the case of those 45's...rare or not, I want them if they're Journey, Van Halen, U2, Kansas and are in color printed sleeves...I most likely won't bother with the plain paper sleeve ones.

The picture sleeves are nice, and if they are in decent condition, pick them up. The only thing I am OCD about with vinyl is how I store them. They are all in plastic sleeves (even the 10" and 45s) and I replace the inner sleeve after I wash the album.

Witchfinder wrote:

Shawn Of Fire wrote:

Witchfinder wrote:

Shawn Of Fire wrote:

I think I'm about to head down the endles vinyl highway...

I have had a copy of Kansas - Drastic Measures for years on vinyl, and my label boss is about to hand me his extra copies of Point Of Know Return and Monolith...bringing me to a whopping 3 vinyl titles...

Here I go...

The good news is that used vinyl is usually cheap and many people will give you their old collections because they view them as worthless/obsolete. New vinyl is much more expensive than cds, but they come in many cool colors and variations. If you have OCD, you are doomed!

Yeah, I laid my OCD (mostly) to rest a while back. I'm only OCD these days about particular bands as opposed to music as a whole.

Like in the case of those 45's...rare or not, I want them if they're Journey, Van Halen, U2, Kansas and are in color printed sleeves...I most likely won't bother with the plain paper sleeve ones.

The picture sleeves are nice, and if they are in decent condition, pick them up. The only thing I am OCD about with vinyl is how I store them. They are all in plastic sleeves (even the 10" and 45s) and I replace the inner sleeve after I wash the album.

Yeah, even with only a few titles, I am already thinking ahead as to how I will store them. I'll probably go "milk crate" at first til I outgrow it...with a cardboard "floor" on the bottom to avoid crate imprint.

Shawn Of Fire wrote:

Witchfinder wrote:

Shawn Of Fire wrote:

Witchfinder wrote:

Shawn Of Fire wrote:

I think I'm about to head down the endles vinyl highway...

I have had a copy of Kansas - Drastic Measures for years on vinyl, and my label boss is about to hand me his extra copies of Point Of Know Return and Monolith...bringing me to a whopping 3 vinyl titles...

Here I go...

The good news is that used vinyl is usually cheap and many people will give you their old collections because they view them as worthless/obsolete. New vinyl is much more expensive than cds, but they come in many cool colors and variations. If you have OCD, you are doomed!

Yeah, I laid my OCD (mostly) to rest a while back. I'm only OCD these days about particular bands as opposed to music as a whole.

Like in the case of those 45's...rare or not, I want them if they're Journey, Van Halen, U2, Kansas and are in color printed sleeves...I most likely won't bother with the plain paper sleeve ones.

The picture sleeves are nice, and if they are in decent condition, pick them up. The only thing I am OCD about with vinyl is how I store them. They are all in plastic sleeves (even the 10" and 45s) and I replace the inner sleeve after I wash the album.

Yeah, even with only a few titles, I am already thinking ahead as to how I will store them. I'll probably go "milk crate" at first til I outgrow it...with a cardboard "floor" on the bottom to avoid crate imprint.

For right now, I store mine in these: http://www.sleevecityusa.com/ultimate-lp-storage-box-p/3strlpbox.htm They are cheap and they protect the vinyl pretty well. Eventually I will store them on shelves, but I'll be moving again in about a year so I'll wait until then.

Shawn Of Fire wrote:

Does anyone bother collecting 45's? I saw some sweet 45's by Journey, Van Halen, Kansas & DLR at a local used vinyl place in original color print sleeves for between $5 and $8 today.

I do. I have a bunch of 'em.

ultmetal wrote:

Shawn Of Fire wrote:

Does anyone bother collecting 45's? I saw some sweet 45's by Journey, Van Halen, Kansas & DLR at a local used vinyl place in original color print sleeves for between $5 and $8 today.

I do. I have a bunch of 'em.

Is $5-$8 a decent price for those? Or is that too much? This place has a tendency to overprice stuff.

I have a general question for vinyl collectors...

I noticed on Amazon that the new Justin Timberlake album is available in the vinyl format.

Is there any audio advantage to owning a vinyl album that was created "in a computer" so-to-speak? I understand the principal behind hearing all the nuances of real instrumentation for a rock or jazz album, but what about stuff that's all samples and electronic music?

Is an audio-phile hearing something special in a JT (or any other pop singer for that matter) album or is it just a collectability factor?

Right now the main benefit of buying LPs recorded in digital is because they are generally far less compressed than the CD counterparts. Often the CD release has half the dynamic range of the LP release, so often you can bypass the entire brickwalling bullshit by purchasing the LP instead.

There are quite a few bands starting to record in analog again as well, when the LP masters are made they never enter the digital realm at any point in the chain.

The recent "Sound City" soundtrack album is a good example. Recorded in analog, the LP was cut directly from the analog stereo master and has 12db of dynamic range. The CD version was converted to digital and massive amounts of compression were applied with the resulting CD having 6db of dynamic range.

*note* - Another advantage of buying the LP of a digital recording is that generally the LP master is made from the full-resolution digital file (24bit/96khz or 192khz). The CD master has to be reduced down to 16bit/44.1khz because that is the limitation of the player.

I think you're missing the point of my original question. While I appreciate your knowledge of the science behind the recording techniques, I assume you're talking about albums that were recorded in an analog studio with real people playing real instruments.

Is someone really buying a copy of Justin Timberlake on vinyl for the dynamics?

MetalGuy71 wrote:

I think you're missing the point of my original question. While I appreciate your knowledge of the science behind the recording techniques, I assume you're talking about albums that were recorded in an analog studio with real people playing real instruments.

Is someone really buying a copy of Justin Timberlake on vinyl for the dynamics?

This album is more than just samples and electronics, there is actually plenty of musicians on this album, plenty of instruments. This is more so of a r&b/soul album then a pop album, especially considering the majority of the songs are over 6 minutes.

I know this has nothing to do with the vinyl question but I thought I needed to make that point because it is a killer album, and is more than electronics and samples.

SwordsChains wrote:

MetalGuy71 wrote:

I think you're missing the point of my original question. While I appreciate your knowledge of the science behind the recording techniques, I assume you're talking about albums that were recorded in an analog studio with real people playing real instruments.

Is someone really buying a copy of Justin Timberlake on vinyl for the dynamics?

This album is more than just samples and electronics, there is actually plenty of musicians on this album, plenty of instruments. This is more so of a r&b/soul album then a pop album, especially considering the majority of the songs are over 6 minutes.

I know this has nothing to do with the vinyl question but I thought I needed to make that point because it is a killer album, and is more than electronics and samples.

There's a talk radio show that played one of his tunes for bumper music and it reminded me of The Jackson 5.... not bad.

SwordsChains wrote:

MetalGuy71 wrote:

I think you're missing the point of my original question. While I appreciate your knowledge of the science behind the recording techniques, I assume you're talking about albums that were recorded in an analog studio with real people playing real instruments.

Is someone really buying a copy of Justin Timberlake on vinyl for the dynamics?

This album is more than just samples and electronics, there is actually plenty of musicians on this album, plenty of instruments. This is more so of a r&b/soul album then a pop album, especially considering the majority of the songs are over 6 minutes.

I know this has nothing to do with the vinyl question but I thought I needed to make that point because it is a killer album, and is more than electronics and samples.

I was just using that one as an example because I saw it on Amazon and it made me think of the question. But I was talking more in general about pop albums that don't feature much real instruments.

It's not a big deal. Just throwing it out there for discussion. If someone wants a Katy Perry vinyl to spin because you can really hear the sounds of her boobs flopping up & down when she sings, go nuts.

Shawn Of Fire wrote:

Witchfinder wrote:

Shawn Of Fire wrote:

Witchfinder wrote:

Shawn Of Fire wrote:

I think I'm about to head down the endles vinyl highway...

I have had a copy of Kansas - Drastic Measures for years on vinyl, and my label boss is about to hand me his extra copies of Point Of Know Return and Monolith...bringing me to a whopping 3 vinyl titles...

Here I go...

The good news is that used vinyl is usually cheap and many people will give you their old collections because they view them as worthless/obsolete. New vinyl is much more expensive than cds, but they come in many cool colors and variations. If you have OCD, you are doomed!

Yeah, I laid my OCD (mostly) to rest a while back. I'm only OCD these days about particular bands as opposed to music as a whole.

Like in the case of those 45's...rare or not, I want them if they're Journey, Van Halen, U2, Kansas and are in color printed sleeves...I most likely won't bother with the plain paper sleeve ones.

The picture sleeves are nice, and if they are in decent condition, pick them up. The only thing I am OCD about with vinyl is how I store them. They are all in plastic sleeves (even the 10" and 45s) and I replace the inner sleeve after I wash the album.

Yeah, even with only a few titles, I am already thinking ahead as to how I will store them. I'll probably go "milk crate" at first til I outgrow it...with a cardboard "floor" on the bottom to avoid crate imprint.

Yea I started with a crate myself last year because I was only going to pick up a few cool ones over time. Well that didn't last too long and I no longer use that crate haha, so good luck with that crate

I buy all my vinyl from ebay because the price tends to get a lot lower than Amazon. As for local purchasing, there's not much here in Fresno. We do have a Rasputin's (Californian's here may know the name) but there used selection is awful and I don't purchase new vinyl. When I do work up in Sacramento there's a sweet store up there I'll visit called Dimple Records that sucks when it comes to CDs but has a bounty of used vinyl for a buck or two each. Just got Cinderella's debut there for .50, VG+.

Unfortunately my vintage Sony turntable has taken a dive, and though I'm certain I can fix it I haven't the time to do so. I've noticed turntables have nearly tripled in price on ebay, at least vintage models and especially direct drive, since I purchased mine five years ago.

Vinyl is my preferred source of music. The difference between it and other formats is more than obvious, the subtle noise from dirt and such has a friendly appeal, and of course the packaging is awesome (call me crazy but I love the smell of old cardboard ).

corplhicks wrote:

I buy all my vinyl from ebay because the price tends to get a lot lower than Amazon. As for local purchasing, there's not much here in Fresno. We do have a Rasputin's (Californian's here may know the name) but there used selection is awful and I don't purchase new vinyl. When I do work up in Sacramento there's a sweet store up there I'll visit called Dimple Records that sucks when it comes to CDs but has a bounty of used vinyl for a buck or two each. Just got Cinderella's debut there for .50, VG+.

Unfortunately my vintage Sony turntable has taken a dive, and though I'm certain I can fix it I haven't the time to do so. I've noticed turntables have nearly tripled in price on ebay, at least vintage models and especially direct drive, since I purchased mine five years ago.

Vinyl is my preferred source of music. The difference between it and other formats is more than obvious, the subtle noise from dirt and such has a friendly appeal, and of course the packaging is awesome (call me crazy but I love the smell of old cardboard ).

The Dimple on Arden Way/Fulton Ave now has a separate Vinyl and Books building. Check it out the next time your here.

corplhicks wrote:

at least vintage models and especially direct drive,

Belt-drive turntables are generally considered superior in the audiophile community. Having the motor connected directly to the table causes increased vibration that can be picked up as extra noise.

I have a direct drive turntable right now (Technics 1800MK2) but eventually plan on getting a nice belt-driven model.

chewie wrote:

The Dimple on Arden Way/Fulton Ave now has a separate Vinyl and Books building. Check it out the next time your here.

Absolute. The one I visit is near Greenback Ln, I believe off of Sunrise? This I have to check out if the selection is greater.

S.D. wrote:

corplhicks wrote:

at least vintage models and especially direct drive,

Belt-drive turntables are generally considered superior in the audiophile community. Having the motor connected directly to the table causes increased vibration that can be picked up as extra noise.

I have a direct drive turntable right now (Technics 1800MK2) but eventually plan on getting a nice belt-driven model.

WOW. You blew my mind. This I did not know, and it makes sense. I purchase direct drive because I heard so much about pitch accuracy and longevity but that was more from vintage collectors rather than audiophiles. Recommendations for a vintage belt-driven model? Should I stick with Sony? Marantz was my other choice (I like to stay vintage).

And while we're here I must ask, does a diamond stylus achieve anything beyond lifespan?

corplhicks wrote:

chewie wrote:

The Dimple on Arden Way/Fulton Ave now has a separate Vinyl and Books building. Check it out the next time your here.

Absolute. The one I visit is near Greenback Ln, I believe off of Sunrise? This I have to check out if the selection is greater.

S.D. wrote:

corplhicks wrote:

at least vintage models and especially direct drive,

Belt-drive turntables are generally considered superior in the audiophile community. Having the motor connected directly to the table causes increased vibration that can be picked up as extra noise.

I have a direct drive turntable right now (Technics 1800MK2) but eventually plan on getting a nice belt-driven model.

WOW. You blew my mind. This I did not know, and it makes sense. I purchase direct drive because I heard so much about pitch accuracy and longevity but that was more from vintage collectors rather than audiophiles. Recommendations for a vintage belt-driven model? Should I stick with Sony? Marantz was my other choice (I like to stay vintage).

And while we're here I must ask, does a diamond stylus achieve anything beyond lifespan?

My main tt is an old german idler(Dual 1219). I also use a Pioneer belt driven(PL-112D my steady second) and a Technics direct drive with quartz lock. It all comes down to cartridges as well. I LOVE Grados, but you need a shielded motor or it will pick up that noise.

I have not read about too many problems from DD turntable owners about noise.


I learned so much(right and wrong) from the Audiokarma and Vinylengine forums.

...and to needles, you can go conical which is perfect for microgroove, mono, and beat up records or elliptical.... those go up and down the money chain.

The IDM audiophiles and electronica freaks pretty much kept the vinyl market alive when the metalheads were 'trading up' to CD's in the nineties.

Some 'artificial computer generated' music is very complex so fans demand the best quality sound.