Geoff Tate

The Japanese cylinders are of far better quality than those in the U.S., it's really like listening to two different records.

Orion Crystal Ice wrote:

The Japanese cylinders are of far better quality than those in the U.S., it's really like listening to two different records.

I don't know............ I think the European cylinders are better!

Is it really fair to call either camp (especially sans DeGarmo) "The Real Queensryche"?

Temple of Blood wrote:

Is it really fair to call either camp (especially sans DeGarmo) "The Real Queensryche"?

Yes - the real Queesnsryche own the name and the business. Tate is taking advantage of a decision by a judge (who has since been removed from the case due to her lack of experience in business/corporate cases) to bastardize the name.

Legally it all depends on who owns the name.

In 1989 4 out of the 5 members of Yes had to release an album under the name "Anderson Bruford Wakeman Howe" because the only non-involved member (Chris Squire) owns the rights to the name.

thejokeriv wrote:

Temple of Blood wrote:

Is it really fair to call either camp (especially sans DeGarmo) "The Real Queensryche"?

Yes - the real Queesnsryche own the name and the business.

Apparently not yet they don't.

But regardless, I wasn't asking about mere legality. I am asking about the spirit of the band and who is "real".

My point still stands that there hasn't been a real QUEENSRYCHE since DeGarmo left.

Temple of Blood wrote:

thejokeriv wrote:

Temple of Blood wrote:

Is it really fair to call either camp (especially sans DeGarmo) "The Real Queensryche"?

Yes - the real Queesnsryche own the name and the business.

Apparently not yet they don't.

But regardless, I wasn't asking about mere legality. I am asking about the spirit of the band and who is "real".

My point still stands that there hasn't been a real QUEENSRYCHE since DeGarmo left.

I disagree - the albums may not have been anywhere near as good since DeGarmo left, but it was still Queensryche. CDG choose to leave, the show must go on.

S.D. wrote:

Legally it all depends on who owns the name.

In 1989 4 out of the 5 members of Yes had to release an album under the name "Anderson Bruford Wakeman Howe" because the only non-involved member (Chris Squire) owns the rights to the name.

True..... at least Queensryche was smart enough to draw up corporate documents and lay out who owns the name. Currently it's Wilton/Jackson/Rockenfield and Tate. They fired Tate (which they can do according to the corp docs) but still need to buy him out (according to the corp docs.) But Tate is trying to use the courts to back out of an agreement he signed and take the name. It's a pretty open and shut court case regarding a corporation - which is why the initial judge (who made the two band ruling) was removed due to lack of corp law experience and was replaced with a judge who has that experience.

Same thing happened to Styx and Dennis De Young - and we know how that turned out.

This law suit would be like Peter Criss suing Paul, Gene and Ace for the rights to the name KISS when he was fired (they were smart enough to have corp docs too.) Paul and Gene had to buy out Peter's ownership of the name, but they didn't do it until the mid 80's when they had enough $$$ to buy him (and Peter was down on his luck and took a lower priced buy out to get some cash flow)

My understanding is that Wilton/Jackson/Rockenfield ADDED DeGarmo & later Tate to their band. Regardless of how much DeGarmo wrote and helped shape the sound (which is probably WHY he was added), it was started by the 3 that are currently w/ LaTorre.

S.D. wrote:

In 1989 4 out of the 5 members of Yes had to release an album under the name "Anderson Bruford Wakeman Howe" because the only non-involved member (Chris Squire) owns the rights to the name.

Although that was 4 out of 5 of just one Yes line-up. By that time a number of other musicians had been in the band - "Anderson Kaye Rabin White" could also be classified as 4 out of 5 of the members of Yes.

The spirit of the real 'ryche lives! It's just stuck in middle earth.

Wow! So nearly all of this new mix is just as bad as the original but for an entirely different set of reasons. Haha. This album is a disaster on nearly all levels.

There are, however, some improvement. And there is at least one difference outside of the mix, too. They removed that horrible drunk-sounding "Yeah uh-huh-huh-haa" from the beginning of "Give It To You." I guys that was a good decision because...man, if anyone needed to hear how far Tate has fallen, that was perfect example.

I still think "The Weight of the World" is a great song, though. Mix aside, I can't fault this one. It's excellent and very much in the spirit of other closing tracks like "Anybody Listening?" and "The Right Side of My Mind Mind." And this is one song that the new mix actually enhances.

Shawn Of Fire wrote:

My understanding is that Wilton/Jackson/Rockenfield ADDED DeGarmo & later Tate to their band. Regardless of how much DeGarmo wrote and helped shape the sound (which is probably WHY he was added), it was started by the 3 that are currently w/ LaTorre.

It doesn't matter who was in the band when they were accomplishing nothing.

Temple of Blood wrote:

Shawn Of Fire wrote:

My understanding is that Wilton/Jackson/Rockenfield ADDED DeGarmo & later Tate to their band. Regardless of how much DeGarmo wrote and helped shape the sound (which is probably WHY he was added), it was started by the 3 that are currently w/ LaTorre.

It doesn't matter who was in the band when they were accomplishing nothing.

They were able to make a living playing live as opposed to having to work a day job, a gig here and there and self-releasing music every 5+ years.

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Sass Jordan (pictured below), Tichy's musical partner in their band SOMETHING UNTO NOTHING (S.U.N.), has been asked to sing the duet in "Suite Sister Mary" as Geoff Tate and the boys perform the epic "Operation" Mindcrime" album in its entirety. To make it complete, Tichy and Jordan will open the shows with a 30-minute "S.U.N. Acoustic Stomp," which is Jordan and Tichy (on guitar and bass drum) as a duo.

Tichy said, "I am psyched and honored to drum in QUEENSRŸCHE and perform this great body of music! I am also stoked that Sass will also be singing in the show and we get a chance to hone our 'acoustic stomp' chops at the same time! This has blossomed into much more than I imagined!"

Great singer, but...for Sister Mary? Not sure about that. Anything is better than the chick he's got doing it now, though.

Eyesore wrote:

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Sass Jordan (pictured below), Tichy's musical partner in their band SOMETHING UNTO NOTHING (S.U.N.), has been asked to sing the duet in "Suite Sister Mary" as Geoff Tate and the boys perform the epic "Operation" Mindcrime" album in its entirety. To make it complete, Tichy and Jordan will open the shows with a 30-minute "S.U.N. Acoustic Stomp," which is Jordan and Tichy (on guitar and bass drum) as a duo.

Tichy said, "I am psyched and honored to drum in QUEENSRŸCHE and perform this great body of music! I am also stoked that Sass will also be singing in the show and we get a chance to hone our 'acoustic stomp' chops at the same time! This has blossomed into much more than I imagined!"

Great singer, but...for Sister Mary? Not sure about that. Anything is better than the chick he's got doing it now, though.

So, Tate has lost yet another member of Scabryche????

What a joke..... but she sounds like an upgrade from the merch booth girl that gets on stage during Suite Sister Mary currently.

The Geoff reacts to the videos posted on youtube:

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Or I should say the videos edited together to make the contestants look as bad as possible.

Actually, this one is much better - Tate reacts to video of his Scabryche:

thejokeriv wrote:

Actually, this one is much better - Tate reacts to video of his Scabryche:

Damn. It was like they were playing an entirely different song in the beginning. Horrible.

As for the real Tate reaction video, those people deserve to be mocked. Everyone knew Tate was going to go this route, so they shouldn't be surprised. And even without Tate's selective editing, they all sounded like idiots anyway. Just dumb.

Gotta love a 350-lb dude chastising Tate for being out of shape.

Hahaha yea that video was more like it. He can't even hit the notes. If he can't do it then he shouldn't even attempt to hit it and just sing it lower and in key. He doesn't have to prove anything. He is a good singer and if he can't hit the notes, its expected he's a lot older but just don't try to force it cause it sounds like horrible.

Those re-makes that he did on the album are just as bad.

Its a shame he's going the dick route over this whole thing.

Phoenix Reign Drummer wrote:

Its a shame he's going the dick route over this whole thing.

You mean the Geoff Tate route?

Geoff is going the, some attention is better then none route. He's a total parody at this point, the guys from Spinal Tap couldn't even think this up.

"But... this one goes to 11."

Well i've been living with this album over the weekend and I'm gonna try my best to review it based on the music and not based on the band drama.

As of right now my take of the songs individually

Cold - 8/10 - Really good song I think. Alot of people have criticized the guitar solo as being out of place, but I don't hear that.

Dare - 2/10 - Would be a good song without Tate's really out of place vocals. He's out of key in many spots and his "melody" conflicts with the riff. This song would be great with a Staley or Cornell type singer.

Give It To You - 3/10 - It's not bad, but not really that great either. The musicianship it really good (which seems to be the case on most of the songs). It's hindered by Tate's lack of enthusiasm.

Slave - 6/10 - I really like this one. The riff is really good. It's very driving. The bridge and chorus is really catchy. He is kind of just going through the motions on the verses though, which is what brought this one down from 8 to 6 for me. The lyrics are clearly about Todd La Torre and his former bandmates, to me anyway and sometimes gets a little to silly (is he saying "you're their bitch" in the break???)

In The Hands of God - 8/10 - This is the first one that even sounds close to sounding like Queensryche (albiet the mid to late 90s version.) I really like it, the main guitar riff it very haunting.

Running Backwards - 4/10 - Passable. Tate is the weak link on this one (well he really is on the whole album). Again a really good song in the backround with Tate not sure what direction he wants to go and trying to hit notes he can't hit anymore. Throughout the whole song he sounds like hes struggling.

Life Without You - 7/10 - Really good intro. Could also pass as a 90s QR song. Tate's vocals aren't great though on the verses (seeing a trend here?) although I think some of that could of been fixed in post production.

Everything - 8/10 - I really like the guitar riff on this one. In fact it's kind of interesting how he took a heavy riff like that and gave it more of a ballady vibe. This song is really good, Tate sounds like he cares a little bit.

Fallen - 6/10 - Pretty good. Tate seems to be doing on these slower songs. Closer to being a Queensryche song. A little generic though, nothing really sticks out to me and hits me in the head.

The Weight of The World - 9/10 - This must be the song they put all of their focus on. It's a good closer (if you don't count the rerecordings of course.....). Pretty epic buildup.

Mathematically it puts it at an overall 6/10 however as an overall album i'd rank it 4/10. I'd likely only revist half of the songs on this album in the future. Some really good songs, but it doesn't flow well together as an album.


Additional points -

This album was bogged down with Tate trying to be something he wasn't. He's said in the past hes not much of a metal guy and it shows here. Tate could really thrive if he attempted to make 70s prog rock ala Peter Gabriel. The most contrived portions of this album are the parts where he attempts to be metal or grunge. The songs he did very well on were the slower songs.

Tate also needs to find a producer that isn't afraid of hurting his feelings and telling him he's doing a terrible job. A song like Dare or Give It To You shouldn't of even left the studio cut with those vocals. He seems to be good with choruses and bridges. Had he took a little more time to trim the fat he could of ended up with a good Geoff Tate solo album, but as it stands he released a rushed work that doesn't even sound like Queensryche.


The rerecordings -
Tate said in an interview he did the rerecordings for money and it REALLY SHOWS!!!!! The instruments sound like they were recorded with Line 6 equipment. The bass is thin and the drums aren't remarkable in any way. The backing vocals on Empire were laughable. The other 3 were okay, but they made great songs and turned them into average garage band act type songs.

So there you have it, a below average album with a few average songs.