The Elder

People love it...People don't love it . In the 80s everybody was sh*ting on this album and after everybody love it... What the f*ck with that album! It's a kind of Progressif-KISS-Concept album.

The Question:

Do you love it?

I dunno if I "love it" as much as I do some other KISS albums but I certainly like it. Though it took a while for it to grow on me.

I call it the ''Difficult'' album 'cuz I need time to listen to it. If I stop listening to it after some time I will need to listen it again before lovin' it.

I love it! I remember being on vacation my senior year of high school, with my parents, and we went to a mall and my mom bought the CD for me. I listened to it on my discman repeatedly, and fell in love with it! The rock songs (I, Escape From The Island, The Oath) are great, of course... but I love the darkness of the other songs, too, like Under The Rose.

I'm listening to this one right now. Always loved Ace's "Dark Light". Also, "I" and "The Oath" just sound like good 'ol KISS to me. "Escape from the Island" is a cool instrumental.

I really like the live versions from the FRIDAYS show. Glad to have that on DVD on Kissology Vol. 2.

ult

ultmetal wrote:

Always loved Ace's "Dark Light".

That's my favorite ELDER track too.

Years ago I was at an Ace solo gig in a club in NJ and he played "Talk To Me" off of "Unmasked," which I thought was kind of an obscure pick (I think me and maybe three other people in the place knew the song, everyone else had these "??" looks on their faces), so just to be a wise ass I started yelling "HEY ACE, HOW'BOUT DARK LIGHT, MAN?" He didn't acknowledge it (or play the song), but somebody else in the room agreed with me, cuz from the other side of the club I heard this drunken voice bellowing "F**K YEAH ACE! PLAY F**KIN' DARK LIGHT, MOTHERF**KER!" over and over again for the rest of the show.

Quote :

I heard this drunken voice bellowing "F**K YEAH
ACE! PLAY F**KIN' DARK LIGHT, MOTHERF**KER!" over and over again for
the rest of the show.

That must be the same drunk guy that goes to all the metal gigs and yells "F**KIN' SLAAAYYYYYYEEERRRR!!!" sometime during the bands set.

Fat Freddy wrote:

ultmetal wrote:

Always loved Ace's "Dark Light".

That's my favorite ELDER track too.

Years ago I was at an Ace solo gig in a club in NJ and he played "Talk To Me" off of "Unmasked," which I thought was kind of an obscure pick (I think me and maybe three other people in the place knew the song, everyone else had these "??" looks on their faces), so just to be a wise ass I started yelling "HEY ACE, HOW'BOUT DARK LIGHT, MAN?" He didn't acknowledge it (or play the song), but somebody else in the room agreed with me, cuz from the other side of the club I heard this drunken voice bellowing "F**K YEAH ACE! PLAY F**KIN' DARK LIGHT, MOTHERF**KER!" over and over again for the rest of the show.

That's a true Rock'N'Roll moment!

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I'm listening to this one right now. Always loved Ace's "Dark Light". Also, "I" and "The Oath" just sound like good 'ol KISS to me. "Escape from the Island" is a cool instrumental.

I really like the live versions from the FRIDAYS show. Glad to have that on DVD on Kissology Vol. 2.

ult

You're talking 'bout Dark Light? Ace isn't playing it I think.Not on the DVD.

I've never heard The Elder, but I am familiar with the song "I". Anyone remember the band Hair of the Dog? They did a really cool cover of the song on the album Rise. I say cool because, even though I've never heard the original to compare it to, any band that would choose to cover such an obscure KISS tune from one of their most obscure albums must be cool.

ultmetal wrote:

Quote :

I heard this drunken voice bellowing "F**K YEAH
ACE! PLAY F**KIN' DARK LIGHT, MOTHERF**KER!" over and over again for
the rest of the show.

That must be the same drunk guy that goes to all the metal gigs and yells "F**KIN' SLAAAYYYYYYEEERRRR!!!" sometime during the bands set.

Haha, yea, that guy seems to be at every show doesnt' he? Even when Slayer isn't playing!

Just go on youtube and write KISS The Oath , I , A World Without Hero and you will see the Fridays Show.

AceFrehley655 wrote:

Just go on youtube and write KISS The Oath , I , A World Without Hero and you will see the Fridays Show.

I have those clips on a bootleg compilation. I haven't watched'em in a long time but if memory serves, they did the "Fridays" show as a 3-piece without Ace, who wanted nothing to do with THE ELDER by that time. It looked very strange seeing them up there lip syncing the songs, with one guy missing.

No that's not the Friday. I know of what you're talking about. They were doing I as a trio. But on the Friday Ace is there and the songs are live.

AceFrehley655 wrote:

No that's not the Friday. I know of what you're talking about. They were doing I as a trio. But on the Friday Ace is there and the songs are live.

Hmm, I may have to go digging thru my bootleg vids to be sure. I could've sworn that clip as a trio was from "Fridays." (Which was a god-awful show, by the way; a very short lived attempt by ABC Network to copy the "Saturday Night Live" formula. A young Michael Richards (aka Kramer of "Seinfeld" fame) was one of the show's cast members if memory serves.)

Fat Freddy wrote:

ultmetal wrote:

Quote :

I heard this drunken voice bellowing "F**K YEAH
ACE! PLAY F**KIN' DARK LIGHT, MOTHERF**KER!" over and over again for
the rest of the show.

That must be the same drunk guy that goes to all the metal gigs and yells "F**KIN' SLAAAYYYYYYEEERRRR!!!" sometime during the bands set.

Haha, yea, that guy seems to be at every show doesnt' he? Even when Slayer isn't playing!

Even when Slayer isn't playing!

Exactly!

Love it ! Different to be sure but good stuff nonetheless.

Love it. I had the benefit of looking at it more objectively when I got into KISS about the time Psycho Circus came out. That said, initially, I didn't like it either.

But in years, it's grown on me. Definitely sounds of the era with all those fantasy musicals.

Fat Freddy wrote:

AceFrehley655 wrote:

No that's not the Friday. I know of what you're talking about. They were doing I as a trio. But on the Friday Ace is there and the songs are live.

Hmm, I may have to go digging thru my bootleg vids to be sure. I could've sworn that clip as a trio was from "Fridays." (Which was a god-awful show, by the way; a very short lived attempt by ABC Network to copy the "Saturday Night Live" formula. A young Michael Richards (aka Kramer of "Seinfeld" fame) was one of the show's cast members if memory serves.)

Is it this one?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3L1MpTyg3r4&mode=related&search=

AceFrehley655 wrote:

Fat Freddy wrote:

AceFrehley655 wrote:

No that's not the Friday. I know of what you're talking about. They were doing I as a trio. But on the Friday Ace is there and the songs are live.

Hmm, I may have to go digging thru my bootleg vids to be sure. I could've sworn that clip as a trio was from "Fridays." (Which was a god-awful show, by the way; a very short lived attempt by ABC Network to copy the "Saturday Night Live" formula. A young Michael Richards (aka Kramer of "Seinfeld" fame) was one of the show's cast members if memory serves.)

Is it this one?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3L1MpTyg3r4&mode=related&search=[/quote[/url]]

It looks like it might be. (I haven't watched some of my old bootleg vids in a while...) It sez this was taped for a "European broadcast," maybe I just confused it with the "Fridays" show.

OK, consider me schooled.

Where did you get that bootleg?

AceFrehley655 wrote:

Where did you get that bootleg?

I'm not sure anymore, I was a big time KISS collector geek during the early 90s so I've had some of those tapes for years...mostly compilations of old concerts, TV appearances, stuff like that... I bought some at KISS conventions, some were dubbed for me by friends/collectors, and I probably ordered some thru the mail too.

Ok thank you for the information.

music from the elder is awsome, love this album.

I've never understand Fanfare...It's an instrumental song. It's like a fanfare lol.

my favorites are I, the oath, and dark light