What really happened to 80s metal

Actually the same bands that started glam metal killed their scene with 3rd, 4th, 5th tier bands playing the same watered down style. Grunge was always there but it took a few bands to rise Grunge from the Seattle scene.

Underground metal was alway there and will always be there, as fast as glam & grunged rised they fell as fast!

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The scene from at least a glam perspective, killed itself. All one has to do is watch Penelope Spheeris' Decline of Western Civilization Part 2 and realize how diluted the genre became. It had people starting up bands, who for all intents and purposes had no business being involved in music. Those interviewed on the strip came off as total f*cking degenerates, which didn't help matters. When Ms. Spheeris wasn't interviewing the degenerates, which consisted of bands or trixies, she went to the heavy weights. How can anyone forget a misogynistic Gene Simmons doing his old man praying on young 19 year olds routine thing in the lingerie store, which eventually segued into a bath robed Ozzy, showing us how smoking cigarettes and making breakfast at the same time can be fun and exciting. If that didn't wet your appetite, don't worry, as we the audience were shown what not to do in one's home pool, i.e; Chris Holmes self-medicating himself beyond the normal limits of most human beings, all the while his mother disgustingly looked on. It's a total shock to me why the scene crashed and burned....

Suffice it to say, the only good moment and saving grace for that documentary was Dave Mustaine correctly stating what GLAM stood for (G@y L.A Metal). The sad thing, Mustaine, who was deep into heavy drug use at the time, clearly came off as the most articulate among the throng of idiots that Ms. Spheeris paraded out there for that documentary.

I think it just ran its course

I just rewatched ' The Decline of Western Civilization: the Metal Years' on VH1 Classics a month or so ago, and man is that movie is a huge embarrassment, most of those bands sucked, the fans they interviewed where a bunch of dumbasses

Addy wrote:

I think it just ran its course

it got deleted from wikipedia....

oh wait - wrong thread....

manny wrote:

I just rewatched ' The Decline of Western Civilization: the Metal Years' on VH1 Classics a month or so ago, and man is that movie is a huge embarrassment, most of those bands sucked, the fans they interviewed where a bunch of dumbasses

There were so many cringe worthy moments in that documentary, but I always thought this band took the cake. I don't know who comes off as bigger wankers, the band Odin or the chicks piling in the hot tub with the band Odin? I don't know if chicks can be wankers, but if it's possible, these chicks are wankers. There are dumb comments throughout, but one would think somewhere along the line, somebody would say something that was the least bit articulate. It didn't happen...

Odin was a good band for a couple of years. IMHO They actually had a more traditional metal sound before the time they filmed "Decline II" The work after that was pretty weak and unoriginal

How many of those losers are dead?

Eyesore wrote:

How many of those losers are dead?

Are you talking about the losers in Odin or the losers overall from that movie? I hope the two-toned hair guy is alive & well.

Isn't the chubby guitar player in Armored Saint now?

MetalGuy71 wrote:

Eyesore wrote:

How many of those losers are dead?

Are you talking about the losers in Odin or the losers overall from that movie? I hope the two-toned hair guy is alive & well.

Isn't the chubby guitar player in Armored Saint now?

That chubby guy is Jeff Duncan! I just looked his bio up. I can't believe how big Jeff was back then.

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Suffice it to say, the only good moment and saving grace for that documentary was Dave Mustaine correctly stating what GLAM stood for (G@y L.A Metal). The sad thing, Mustaine, who was deep into heavy drug use at the time, clearly came off as the most articulate among the throng of idiots that Ms. Spheeris paraded out there for that documentary.

Megadeth was completely out of place among those other bands. But it was nice that she threw them in just to counterbalance the glam crap.

manny wrote:

I just rewatched ' The Decline of Western Civilization: the Metal Years' on VH1 Classics a month or so ago, and man is that movie is a huge embarrassment, most of those bands sucked, the fans they interviewed where a bunch of dumbasses

I've always felt that the movie is a treasure trove of (unintentional) comedy.

For years 'n' years I've talked to metal fans who hate that movie because they said it "made metal look bad."

Well geez, judging from the evidence in that film, metal was doing a pretty good job of making itself look bad, without any help...

Fat Freddy wrote:

Well geez, judging from the evidence in that film, metal was doing a pretty good job of making itself look bad, without any help...

Truer words were never spoken.

I love the "music" part of metal, it's all the other non-musical trappings that tend to derail any credibility it has outside of the core fanbase.

It's hard to take a style of music seriously when you've got bands like Manowar running around...

S.D. wrote:

Fat Freddy wrote:

Well geez, judging from the evidence in that film, metal was doing a pretty good job of making itself look bad, without any help...

Truer words were never spoken.

I love the "music" part of metal, it's all the other non-musical trappings that tend to derail any credibility it has outside of the core fanbase.

It's hard to take a style of music seriously when you've got bands like Manowar running around...

Listen dude, while other bands play MANOWAR KILLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thrasher73 wrote:

I've heard this saying before and believe it to be true.

"Smells Like Teen Spirit didnt kill 80's metal,Unskinny Bop did"

Not true at all. Unskinny Bop doesn't have anything to do with '80s metal.And besides, most of it was underground anyway.

TheGreatDuck wrote:

Thrasher73 wrote:

I've heard this saying before and believe it to be true.

"Smells Like Teen Spirit didnt kill 80's metal,Unskinny Bop did"

Not true at all. Unskinny Bop doesn't have anything to do with '80s metal.And besides, most of it was underground anyway.

In the mind's of the general public, yes it does. The mainstream audience...the "en masse", big numbers, general population, considered Poison & Bon Jovi "Metal". It doesn't matter than you and I know the difference. The mainstream media, Billboard, MTV, radio, etc all called it "Metal" so that's what it is in their eyes.

If you sat them down and played Slayer next to Poison, of course they could hear the difference...but they wouldn't care. It's all "Metal" to them.

So, yes...Poison, as a mainstream, pop-culture entertainment act, had everything to do with what most average people consider "80's Metal".

Shawn Of Fire wrote:

TheGreatDuck wrote:

Thrasher73 wrote:

I've heard this saying before and believe it to be true.

"Smells Like Teen Spirit didnt kill 80's metal,Unskinny Bop did"

Not true at all. Unskinny Bop doesn't have anything to do with '80s metal.And besides, most of it was underground anyway.

In the mind's of the general public, yes it does. The mainstream audience...the "en masse", big numbers, general population, considered Poison & Bon Jovi "Metal". It doesn't matter than you and I know the difference. The mainstream media, Billboard, MTV, radio, etc all called it "Metal" so that's what it is in their eyes.

If you sat them down and played Slayer next to Poison, of course they could hear the difference...but they wouldn't care. It's all "Metal" to them.

So, yes...Poison, as a mainstream, pop-culture entertainment act, had everything to do with what most average people consider "80's Metal".

exactly.....just like the "grunge" guys comments regarding "metal" in Sam D's documentary. They asssociated "metal" with MTV and the LA glam scene, When there was ALOT of other aspects of metal going on to previous/simutanious/and after the glam/pop metal trip died away.

I think metal in general (even the good bands) got to be so full of themselves, and they began to saturate the market to where they just imploded and couldn't take much more of themselves, much the way a lot of their fans couldn't take them anymore.

You can't blame a band like Nirvana or a record like Nevermind, for the demise of a movement's popularity (really the metal bands just went back underground).

I could never understand the reasoning people gave to the whole "grunge/Nirvana killed off "hair metal" mentality.

Audiences and consumers are fickle (with everything - especially Americans).

TheGreatDuck wrote:

Thrasher73 wrote:

I've heard this saying before and believe it to be true.

"Smells Like Teen Spirit didnt kill 80's metal,Unskinny Bop did"

Not true at all. Unskinny Bop doesn't have anything to do with '80s metal.And besides, most of it was underground anyway.

I hate to be the age Nazi here, but dude you're 18 years old. You weren't even alive when that music revolution took place. Thank you for supporting the genre and finding this place, but seriously... Metal was not underground during the late 80's. In fact, bands like Whitesnake, Motley Crue, Cinderella, Bon Jovi, Def Leppard, Poison, KISS, RATT, Skid Row, etc...could be found all over the airwaves and entering Top 40 radio. Even though thrash was not as accessible on the radio, it certainly was making a huge dent on MTV, as the Headbanger's Ball hit the air waves in October of 1987.

metalinmyveins wrote:

TheGreatDuck wrote:

Thrasher73 wrote:

I've heard this saying before and believe it to be true.

"Smells Like Teen Spirit didnt kill 80's metal,Unskinny Bop did"

Not true at all. Unskinny Bop doesn't have anything to do with '80s metal.And besides, most of it was underground anyway.

I hate to be the age Nazi here, but dude you're 18 years old. You weren't even alive when that music revolution took place. Thank you for supporting the genre and finding this place, but seriously... Metal was not underground during the late 80's. In fact, bands like Whitesnake, Motley Crue, Cinderella, Bon Jovi, Def Leppard, Poison, KISS, RATT, Skid Row, etc...could be found all over the airwaves and entering Top 40 radio. Even though thrash was not as accessible on the radio, it certainly was making a huge dent on MTV, as the Headbanger's Ball hit the air waves in October of 1987.

The bands you listed were the top 40 playlist back in the day

thejokeriv wrote:

metalinmyveins wrote:

TheGreatDuck wrote:

Thrasher73 wrote:

I've heard this saying before and believe it to be true.

"Smells Like Teen Spirit didnt kill 80's metal,Unskinny Bop did"

Not true at all. Unskinny Bop doesn't have anything to do with '80s metal.And besides, most of it was underground anyway.

I hate to be the age Nazi here, but dude you're 18 years old. You weren't even alive when that music revolution took place. Thank you for supporting the genre and finding this place, but seriously... Metal was not underground during the late 80's. In fact, bands like Whitesnake, Motley Crue, Cinderella, Bon Jovi, Def Leppard, Poison, KISS, RATT, Skid Row, etc...could be found all over the airwaves and entering Top 40 radio. Even though thrash was not as accessible on the radio, it certainly was making a huge dent on MTV, as the Headbanger's Ball hit the air waves in October of 1987.

The bands you listed were the top 40 playlist back in the day

yep. there were new hair bands coming out of everywhere then.

I have an ex girlfriend who liked the 'grunge' bands, and some classic metal bands such as Led Zeppelin, Deep Purple and Black Sabbath, even liked AC/DC and Deep Purple, but she hated most metal except bands like Kyuss and King's X, she strictly saw metal associated with bands such as Poison and Motley Crue, and she hated that sh!t

metalinmyveins wrote:

TheGreatDuck wrote:

Thrasher73 wrote:

I've heard this saying before and believe it to be true.

"Smells Like Teen Spirit didnt kill 80's metal,Unskinny Bop did"

Not true at all. Unskinny Bop doesn't have anything to do with '80s metal.And besides, most of it was underground anyway.

I hate to be the age Nazi here, but dude you're 18 years old. You weren't even alive when that music revolution took place. Thank you for supporting the genre and finding this place, but seriously... Metal was not underground during the late 80's. In fact, bands like Whitesnake, Motley Crue, Cinderella, Bon Jovi, Def Leppard, Poison, KISS, RATT, Skid Row, etc...could be found all over the airwaves and entering Top 40 radio. Even though thrash was not as accessible on the radio, it certainly was making a huge dent on MTV, as the Headbanger's Ball hit the air waves in October of 1987.

Out of the bands you listed, only three of them were metal... And two of those three stopped being metal after an album or two. The rest had a metal song or two (except Bon Jovi) , but really, those were all hard rock bands you mentioned.

Regarding thrash, well, the big four might have been huge at the time, but compare that to the number of smaller bands, you get the picture.

I also don't get people who love AC/DC, but loathe all those hair bands that had a pretty similar sound.

TheGreatDuck wrote:

metalinmyveins wrote:

TheGreatDuck wrote:

Thrasher73 wrote:

I've heard this saying before and believe it to be true.

"Smells Like Teen Spirit didnt kill 80's metal,Unskinny Bop did"

Not true at all. Unskinny Bop doesn't have anything to do with '80s metal.And besides, most of it was underground anyway.

I hate to be the age Nazi here, but dude you're 18 years old. You weren't even alive when that music revolution took place. Thank you for supporting the genre and finding this place, but seriously... Metal was not underground during the late 80's. In fact, bands like Whitesnake, Motley Crue, Cinderella, Bon Jovi, Def Leppard, Poison, KISS, RATT, Skid Row, etc...could be found all over the airwaves and entering Top 40 radio. Even though thrash was not as accessible on the radio, it certainly was making a huge dent on MTV, as the Headbanger's Ball hit the air waves in October of 1987.

Out of the bands you listed, only three of them were metal... And two of those three stopped being metal after an album or two. The rest had a metal song or two (except Bon Jovi) , but really, those were all hard rock bands you mentioned.

Regarding thrash, well, the big four might have been huge at the time, but compare that to the number of smaller bands, you get the picture.

I also don't get people who love AC/DC, but loathe all those hair bands that had a pretty similar sound.

You're not telling anyone here anything that they don't already know...we were there.

BUT - the mainstream public consciousness disagrees with you and us.

Shawn Of Fire wrote:

TheGreatDuck wrote:

metalinmyveins wrote:

TheGreatDuck wrote:

Thrasher73 wrote:

I've heard this saying before and believe it to be true.

"Smells Like Teen Spirit didnt kill 80's metal,Unskinny Bop did"

Not true at all. Unskinny Bop doesn't have anything to do with '80s metal.And besides, most of it was underground anyway.

I hate to be the age Nazi here, but dude you're 18 years old. You weren't even alive when that music revolution took place. Thank you for supporting the genre and finding this place, but seriously... Metal was not underground during the late 80's. In fact, bands like Whitesnake, Motley Crue, Cinderella, Bon Jovi, Def Leppard, Poison, KISS, RATT, Skid Row, etc...could be found all over the airwaves and entering Top 40 radio. Even though thrash was not as accessible on the radio, it certainly was making a huge dent on MTV, as the Headbanger's Ball hit the air waves in October of 1987.

Out of the bands you listed, only three of them were metal... And two of those three stopped being metal after an album or two. The rest had a metal song or two (except Bon Jovi) , but really, those were all hard rock bands you mentioned.

Regarding thrash, well, the big four might have been huge at the time, but compare that to the number of smaller bands, you get the picture.

I also don't get people who love AC/DC, but loathe all those hair bands that had a pretty similar sound.

You're not telling anyone here anything that they don't already know...we were there.

BUT - the mainstream public consciousness disagrees with you and us.

All those bands were considered Metal back in the day - that opinion changed over time. Even Bon Jovi considered Metal back in the day and Jon Bon Jovi and Joe Elliot made no effort to say "hey, we're just a rock back" in the 80's. Back then we called it Pop Metal. That term was changed to hair metal by those looking for a way to make fun of those bands and it stuck while the term Pop Metal went away.