Heavy Metal of the 1970s...

James B. wrote:

nevermind

The album that killed hair metal.

tohostudios wrote:

James B. wrote:

nevermind

The album that killed hair metal.

as much as I enjoy alot of that flavoer of music it was needed.

I wasn't impying that at all. I had posted something in refrence to Jerusalem Slim then realized I was mistaken.

When thrash came along and essentially raised the heavy metal bar so to speak, weren't they essentially just combining the "heavy metal" of Kiss, Aerosmith, AC/DC ect, ect with hardcore punk?

The albums those bands released in the 70s were fast and heavy for the most part, it wasn't until later they started going all pop. I mean hell, how many Kiss covers has Anthrax and several other thrash bands done? How many thrash covers of AC/DC songs are there?

I'd be willing if you asked Hetfield or Mustaine if any of those bands were metal, they would say yes.

James B. wrote:

tohostudios wrote:

James B. wrote:

nevermind

The album that killed hair metal.

as much as I enjoy alot of that flavoer of music it was needed.

I wasn't impying that at all. I had posted something in refrence to Jerusalem Slim then realized I was mistaken.

I got your post. Same thing with me.

And I always thought Firehouse killed hair metal? Nirvana just got the grunge-plane off the ground. It was not their fault. I blame Chris Holmes, really.

James B. wrote:

tohostudios wrote:

James B. wrote:

nevermind

The album that killed hair metal.

as much as I enjoy alot of that flavoer of music it was needed.

I wasn't impying that at all. I had posted something in refrence to Jerusalem Slim then realized I was mistaken.

I was just being facetious. A lot of hair metal fans blame that album for the death of the genre.

I would say the major record labels killed off glam.They decided that the youth should now listen to depressing music. Talk to people that were in high school around 1991-1992. Virtually overnight,the high school kids were wearing flannel, cardigans & general "Grunge" wear. Even Dave Mustaine got in the act. This is a blatant form of mind control. Do some research, and you'll find alot of these entertainment (music, Tv, movies) owners are also members of the CFR ,Trilateralists,Bohemian Grove,masons. etc.

MTV and redunndancy killed that era (IMHO)

It was so saturated, you could miss a great band and never realize it untill some twenty years later.

detuned wrote:

Wow, what did I miss.

Just ToB making an ass out of himself again

troublemagnet wrote:

I would say the major record labels killed off glam.They decided that the youth should now listen to depressing music. Talk to people that were in high school around 1991-1992. Virtually overnight,the high school kids were wearing grunge. This is a blatant form of mind control. Do some research, and you'll find alot of these entertainment (music, Tv, movies) owners are also members of the CFR ,Trilateralists,Bohemian Grove,masons. etc.

yeah glad they waited, cause it would of been awkward to see dudes in high school in the mid/late 80's wearing eyeshadow and mascara.

In the 70's I wore flannel shirts with the sleeves rolled up, with a rock n roll t shirt or some alcoholic beverage underneath, waffle-stomper boots with red laces and a bandana wore hippy style and my hair in a braid going down my back.

The music we listened to made us smoke weed and pop pills and jam with our friends in the garage and backyard kegparties. Wish we could of played at the Mason Halls. They had killler bars in them.

Everything comes full circle. Watch out for the New Wave of American Grunge [NWOAG] in 2015. Austin will be the new Seattle.

To me grunge was a mere adaption of 70's music downtuned.

UNCLE SAXON wrote:

Everything comes full circle. Watch out for the New Wave of American Grunge [NWOAG] in 2015. Austin will be the new Seattle.

Sadly, that's probably a good prediction.

James B. wrote:

To me grunge was a mere adaption of 70's music downtuned.

Like I said - full circle.

I havn't been to Austin since 19991

James B. wrote:

troublemagnet wrote:

I would say the major record labels killed off glam.They decided that the youth should now listen to depressing music. Talk to people that were in high school around 1991-1992. Virtually overnight,the high school kids were wearing grunge. This is a blatant form of mind control. Do some research, and you'll find alot of these entertainment (music, Tv, movies) owners are also members of the CFR ,Trilateralists,Bohemian Grove,masons. etc.

yeah glad they waited, cause it would of been awkward to see dudes in high school in the mid/late 80's wearing eyeshadow and mascara.

Glam was popular with the females in the mid to late '80s. Those who wern't into thrash were into Maiden, Dio and 70's rock.At least that's how I remembered it.

James B. wrote:

To me grunge was a mere adaption of 70's music downtuned.

Yep - pretty much! Just listen to any Pearl Jam album

Wow has this thread run the gamut!

Chairman_Smith wrote:

When thrash came along and essentially raised the heavy metal bar so to speak, weren't they essentially just combining the "heavy metal" of Kiss, Aerosmith, AC/DC ect, ect with hardcore punk?

The albums those bands released in the 70s were fast and heavy for the most part, it wasn't until later they started going all pop. I mean hell, how many Kiss covers has Anthrax and several other thrash bands done? How many thrash covers of AC/DC songs are there?

I'd be willing if you asked Hetfield or Mustaine if any of those bands were metal, they would say yes.

Most of those first thrashers in the early 80s were more influences by the then OBSCURE nwobhm then KISS, VAN HALEN etc...still, for shore the liked those bands and they called them heavy metal back in the 70s.
SCORPIONS, JUDAS PRIEST and BLACK SABBATH were all great heavy metal bands in the 70s. Today i would call old SCORPIONS heavy rock, and BLACK SABBATH too, but JUDAS PRIEST for me is HEAVY METAL, beside their debut album.

UNCLE SAXON wrote:

Everything comes full circle. Watch out for the New Wave of American Grunge [NWOAG] in 2015. Austin will be the new Seattle.

A development that will no doubt greatly please Austin

Look, people. I don't mind the debate, but please stop the harrasing, name calling and other ways to belittle opinions that differ from yours!

kmorg wrote:

Look, people. I don't mind the debate, but please stop the harrasing, name calling and other ways to belittle opinions that differ from yours!

Thank you sir.

I think the debates are great. I enjoy reading others' views on these topics. We have some very knowledgeable people here that can lead to some interesting discussions.

James B. wrote:

I havn't been to Austin since 19991

Whoa dude, can I borrow your Delorean then? I have unfinished business in 1986....

I find this a very interesting topic, as metal's roots are incredibly diverse and interesting. The 70's metal band's had alot to say and experimented with mixing different styles into their perspective mediums, which has unfortunately been lost on alot of the modern music by sticking to one strict sub-genre after another.

@ TOB Were some of these bands slightly mislabeled by what metal was to become over the next few years? Possibly, some of them anyway, I can see your point when it comes in regards to Queen, Triumph, Ted Nugent, and a few of the others. But that's just over-generaliztion that is still done today in most genres. However to say metal didn't exist until later is quite an unfair statement, it was really born out of late 60's psychadelia via the likes of Blue Oyster Cult and Black Sabbath, who both had despite flirting with other styles, very dark themes and heavy music. As for the magazines, I would say alot of it is a very fair representation of who was heavy metal at the time, as back then jourrnalists, especially in that of hard rock and heavy metal were fans and mentors to alot of the bands. A great example of this would be Sandy Pearlman and his work with BOC, even going so far as to be the first to coin the term regarding the heavier guitar sounds that were beginning to take shape. Along with others who were writing about not just the how good the records were, but the evolution of the music, the culture around it and what it was like, etc. Comparing any of it to newer bands I don't really understand, because now, metal has evolved into something established with some sort of parameters, and these pioneers were forerunners of a new sound at the time and shaping what direction it would go in later.

UNCLE SAXON wrote:

Everything comes full circle. Watch out for the New Wave of American Grunge [NWOAG] in 2015. Austin will be the new Seattle.

If that's true...

I'm dreading the "New Wave of American NuMetal".

Troublezone wrote:

UNCLE SAXON wrote:

Everything comes full circle. Watch out for the New Wave of American Grunge [NWOAG] in 2015. Austin will be the new Seattle.

If that's true...

I'm dreading the "New Wave of American NuMetal".

That was one genre that died a quick death ( with the exception of K orn and Slipknot, if Slipknot even count as nu metal that is)