SODOM vs SLAYER

mc666 wrote:

i guess that's why i refer to myself as a music fan rather than a metal fan. it's less constricting.

You can still call yourself a metal fan, even if you listen to other styles. But it would be strange to call yourself a metalian, metalhead, hardrocker,.... if you listen to pop, rap and other stuff nothing to do with our movement. You like metal, and you like other styles, thats fine of course, you are a music fan

krokus wrote:

Simple, a real thrash metal fan is somebody that likes thrash metal and doesnt like nu metal, rap or/and alternative influences into thrash metal. I think somebody that doesnt mind strange sounds on a record by a thrash metal band is less a thrash metal fan. If not, he would like the cd to thrash and kill!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Alex Dee Rokket, even if we dont agree a lot, you still know how to explain yourself very well and thats cool. My written english sucks and its harder that way.

Thrash evolves... that's why most stuff today doesn't sound like 1983. The core structure may be there but there is nothing wrong with experimenting either.

Thrash evolves... that's why most stuff today doesn't sound like 1983. The core structure may be there but there is nothing wrong with experimenting either. [/quote]

True enough, provided that you don't jump into the nu and core territories, which i cannot stand.

Gilbert wrote:

Thrash evolves... that's why most stuff today doesn't sound like 1983. The core structure may be there but there is nothing wrong with experimenting either.

True enough, provided that you don't jump into the nu and core territories, which i cannot stand.[/quote]

I'm not talking about nu-metal anything... I'm saying the playing is more open minded.

Evolve is okay, and nearly all bands do but not change the sound to much like some bands did in the past like METALLICA, MEGADETH or SLAYER. For exemple, IRON MAIDEN evolved but they still sound like IRON MAIDEN, like them or not and to evolve they didnt had to put modern sounds into their music, thats what i respect.

Slayer

Sodom kicks butt

Ultimately Slayer

Sodom.

I mean I love Hell Awaits and Show No Mercy, but ultimately I'd rather be listening to albums like Agent Orange and M-16.

adrian wrote:

Sodom.

I mean I love Hell Awaits and Show No Mercy, but ultimately I'd rather be listening to albums like Agent Orange and M-16.

Same w/ Agent Orange and M-16 but I'd rather listen to Seasons in the Abyss and Divine Intervention

I don't hear the same quality of riffs and drumming in Sodom as i do in Slayer.

In my opinion, Sodom is better by FAR!
First of all, i have a theory that proves they were the first band to truly create the thrash sound. Their first demo was on 1982 and even though it could be labeled as fwobm it also had the aggressive sound and vocals that thrash has, so basically they created thrash. Not only that, but they were the second band to be the pioneers of BM. Yeah, Venom were the first, but Sodom made the actual sound of it. Venom was mostly a speed metal band with satanic lyrics, while Sodom had the fast, aggressive sound with the raspy vocals that now has become the mark of fwobm. So sodom, has basically been pioneers of two genres.
Moreover, Sodom had been a lot more creative and more experimental than Slayer. I love slayer and thanks to them i got into thrash, i'm not going to deny it. But i also hae to admit that they are repetitive with their sound and never really try different things apart from some elements of groove metal. Sodom on the other hand, played thrash, black, some death metal and some crossover/punkish thrash. Also not only that, but every of their albums is unique in the sound. In the sign of evil, they were more thrashy, while in obsessed by cruelty they sounded more like speed metal. In their later thrash albums, they had the old school sound but in their later ones, the sound was heavier and more groovy( code red, m-16 ), while in the self titled album and war and pieces they had more melodic elements. I don't think slayer really tried to be so unique in their albums, IMO.
And eventually, i'll finish with that. Sodom, has a better, heavier and more aggressive vocalist, they make better music( riffs, solos etc... ) and very creative ones. Like in the persecution mania album, songs like nuclear winter, enhanced land and christ passion( one of their best songs btw ) had amazing riffs and not related to each other. Generally i believe their music and vocals, are better and heavier as well as better lyrics as well.
I know a lot of people would disagree and it's ok, that was just my opinion, but i tried to base it on as much facts of both bands as i could.
I love both, but Sodom for me is a lot better.

Never heard Sodom play any form of death metal... And I can't recall even one Sodom riff that is considered genre defining. They may have some cool songs here and there... (agent orange etc), but they don't compare to Slayer classics.

Sodom is good, Slayer is classic.

Sodom's Tapping the Vein albums had a lot of death metal elements and they tried to experiment with the genre in that album. You could notice that in most songs the vocals were way havier and some of the riffs were pretty close to how most old school death metal riffs sounded.

I'm not sure i get your point. You are saying that sodom's riffs don't define thrash? Because if that's the case, then you are obviously wrong. Persecution mania, Agent Orange, Better of dead are classic thrash albums with amazing thrash riffs in each one. I really don't need to mention code red or m-16( especially code red, some brutal stuff there ) because there just pure thrash, nothing more.

Slayer are very good but my problem with them is that they get way too much credit imo. For me, they are just the best from the Big 4 but if i have to compare them to other underground bands, i believe these other bands like Exodus, Kreator, Destruction, Sodom, Testament etc... are just way better, more creative and more developed bands.
Unfortunately, Slayer has stopped having very good albums after Reign in Blood or let's say Seasons in the Abyss. After that or even in these albums, Slayer hasn't really been that creative and their sound didn't change much. I like Diablous in Musica due to trying something a bit different musically but that's it, other than that i haven't been impressed. They are trying way too much to have their own sound that eventually they overdid it. Sodom, on the other hand has that specific sound that makes you realize that you are listening to sodom but also they know how to widen their musical skills. Also sodom does know how to create atmosphere with their music. Slayer has lost that ability probably after hell awaits.

Obviously that's just my opinion.

I like listening to Slayer to while indulging in Sodom(y)


Does that count

Always been a fan of Slayer, but Id have to say I prefer SODOM much more. How can you go wrong with such songs as Napalm in the Morning, Agent Orange, M-16 etc.

Coldworrior wrote:

Sodom's Tapping the Vein albums had a lot of death metal elements and they tried to experiment with the genre in that album. You could notice that in most songs the vocals were way havier and some of the riffs were pretty close to how most old school death metal riffs sounded.

I'm not sure i get your point. You are saying that sodom's riffs don't define thrash? Because if that's the case, then you are obviously wrong. Persecution mania, Agent Orange, Better of dead are classic thrash albums with amazing thrash riffs in each one. I really don't need to mention code red or m-16( especially code red, some brutal stuff there ) because there just pure thrash, nothing more.

Slayer are very good but my problem with them is that they get way too much credit imo. For me, they are just the best from the Big 4 but if i have to compare them to other underground bands, i believe these other bands like Exodus, Kreator, Destruction, Sodom, Testament etc... are just way better, more creative and more developed bands.
Unfortunately, Slayer has stopped having very good albums after Reign in Blood or let's say Seasons in the Abyss. After that or even in these albums, Slayer hasn't really been that creative and their sound didn't change much. I like Diablous in Musica due to trying something a bit different musically but that's it, other than that i haven't been impressed. They are trying way too much to have their own sound that eventually they overdid it. Sodom, on the other hand has that specific sound that makes you realize that you are listening to sodom but also they know how to widen their musical skills. Also sodom does know how to create atmosphere with their music. Slayer has lost that ability probably after hell awaits.

Obviously that's just my opinion.

MistressOfMetal666~ I couldnt agree more with this statement, got it right on. Slayer used to be so great and all but really lost their touch, I dont think Ive listened to and enjoyed anything after Reign in Blood, kind of disappointing. The raw sound of Sodom is easy to pick out of the other sounds of Metal. You couldnt have said it better.Bottom line Sodom wins this war

Very dodgy drumming/production ruined Sodom's early stuff for me but everything past PM is great, if a bit samey. Slayer are a great band but they have been living off early work for 20 years now. My main problem with Thrash is that there was only so many ways that you could change things and keep fans loyal. Most of the bands attempts were awful and why most people's top 20 thrash records will come almost exclusively from the eighties.

In answer to the thread....Slayer.

Any era of Sodom is either better than or just as good as Slayer's prime.

Not saying that I don't like early Slayer, but Sodom has always been a quality band for me. Their image, sound, and overall attitude in thrash metal remain unbeaten to this day.

When it comes to the musicians, Frank Blackfire always impressed me more with his riffs than even the late Jeff Hanneman. I don't deny the sloppiness of Chris Witchhunter's drumming during the early years, but his style stood out more for me.

Finally, Tom Angelripper has always been a great growler. Even his Tom Araya-esque shouts sound great!