The Joke known as the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame annouce nominees

Purple always seems to get snubbed by critics, at least those I've run across. Massively influential, yet I feel they tend to be underrated.

And the Hall of Shame:   

So glad that Kiss finally got in, even if the hall is a joke...

Been playing the 70s Kiss albums in celebration. Too bad about Deep Purple and Yes - they deserve to be there.

bass63 wrote:

Deep Purple & Yes belong. Nirvana has no business going in..EVER   

I kind of agree with this statement, but for entirely different reasons I guess.

Boris2008 wrote:

bass63 wrote:

Deep Purple & Yes belong. Nirvana has no business going in..EVER   

I kind of agree with this statement, but for entirely different reasons I guess.

You both have me curious.   

corplhicks wrote:

Boris2008 wrote:

bass63 wrote:

Deep Purple & Yes belong. Nirvana has no business going in..EVER   

I kind of agree with this statement, but for entirely different reasons I guess.

You both have me curious.   

For my part I associate Purple & Yes to an era when crap like this mattered to bands and their fans. Nirvana were the tip of the spear for a movement that didn't care for the trappings of 'rock royalty', even if he were still alive, does anyone think that Cobain would have actually turned up to this? Who knows, maybe a 40 year old Kurt Cobain would have been honoured? But I doubt it.

I am always surprised when metal and rock fans my age, sneer at Nirvana and blame Nirvana for killing metal and rock music in general.

That is far from the truth and Nirvana's influence incorporated both the Pixies and Black Sabbath in age measure.

IMO they do deserve to be in the Hall, and they were complete game changer, did they deserve to get in there before Deep Purple? IMO no, but they are a great band, love them, hate them or feel indifferent, they were a game changer.

manny wrote:

I am always surprised when metal and rock fans my age, sneer at Nirvana and blame Nirvana for killing metal and rock music in general.

That is far from the truth and Nirvana's influence incorporated both the Pixies and Black Sabbath in age measure.

IMO they do deserve to be in the Hall, and they were complete game changer, did they deserve to get in there before Deep Purple? IMO no, but they are a great band, love them, hate them or feel indifferent, they were a game changer.

Nirvana should be in, but not on the first ballot. They were "game changers" like it or not. But they should no way in hell be in before Deep Purple, Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, etc, etc...

The ONLY reason they are in on first ballot is because Cobain blew his brains out.

Nirvana was one of the those bands that Rolling Stone championed as soon as 'Nevermind' dropped.
Not just them, but Spin, and any other hipster magazine of the 90's. IMO even Cobain had not died, Nirvana would have imploded, and then the same critics would have smashed him like they did to Jim Morrison and Jimi Hendrix before they passed away, for no apparent reason then the fact they had enjoyed huge mainstream success.

Like them or not, Nirvana were a hugely influential band.

ElectricEye93 wrote:

Like them or not, Nirvana were a hugely influential band.

They didn't influence as many boners as a young Linda Ronstadt though.

Nirvana dumbed down guitar playing and now we have a generation of lazy guitar players. That's what I think. I know some of you will try & change what I think. Won't happen.

bass63 wrote:

Nirvana dumbed down guitar playing and now we have a generation of lazy guitar players. That's what I think. I know some of you will try & change what I think. Won't happen.

Sorry, but punk did that decades ago.

No one here is going to try and change what you think. I could care less if you don't agree with me.

(for instance, contrary to 99% of the users on this board, Queensryche didn't come anywhere near my top 10.   )

corplhicks wrote:

bass63 wrote:

Nirvana dumbed down guitar playing and now we have a generation of lazy guitar players. That's what I think. I know some of you will try & change what I think. Won't happen.

Sorry, but punk did that decades ago.

Agreed.

I agree with bass63. Metal/Hard rock was due for a change but the whole, we can hardly play ethos, bothered me.

I was teaching 50 students a week between guitar, bass, and vocals, it was my full-time gig......then Smells Like Teen Spirit hit the radio and all of them quit......they just didn't see the need to improve as musicians because of Nirvana and the rest of the grunge crowd.

Dark Horseman wrote:

I agree with bass63. Metal/Hard rock was due for a change but the whole, we can hardly play ethos, bothered me.

Many of the popular rock acts of the 90's were very talented and played competently. Examples are Soundgarden, Stone Temple, and Pearl Jam. Nirvana was one of the few bands that had more of a punk influence, thus "sloppy."

We have to remember that these bands were trying to reinvent the wheel by going back to the wheel and deconstructing the roots of American rock and roll. Many of them were influenced by Zeppelin, The Clash, Sabbath, the Beatles, the Stones, MC5, etc. and it shows in their music heavily.

Sure I getcha. I just wasn't a fan of most of that and missed guitar solos and all. Hey, i'm an 80's baby when it comes to music and still proudly listen to arena rock.   

Virtuoso playing mostly bores me. I'll always get more of a buzz from The Pixies & Black Flag than any Ywingiedingy Malenstroom record!

Dark Horseman wrote:

Sure I getcha. I just wasn't a fan of most of that and missed guitar solos and all. Hey, i'm an 80's baby when it comes to music and still proudly listen to arena rock.   

I'm with ya on this. I just didn't find almost all of the music from the 90s very enjoyable. But I will say that Nirvana most definitely needs to be in the Hall, but maybe not before some other deserving bands (Deep Purple,others already mentioned on here).

The RnRHoF should be exactly that and for Deep Purple to not be there is not right. Regardless of preference, the RnRHoF should represent the best and/or most interesting/influential. A collection of the folks that made RnR what is it. I think Nirvana should get in and it's not because I like them, but because they fit the criteria and Kiss too for that matter.

This popped up on my Facebook feed today, from Eddie Trunk's wall:

"Ace Frehley just confirmed exclusively on my radio show he and Peter are not being allowed to perform with Kiss at the R&R Hall by Gene and Paul. Kiss wants to perform with current lineup. No original Kiss reunion at HOF planned or being allowed at this time."

Damn. Not surprising, but harsh.

Boris2008 wrote:

Virtuoso playing mostly bores me. I'll always get more of a buzz from The Pixies & Black Flag than any Ywingiedingy Malenstroom record!

It depends on the player and the style for me. Virtuoso playing ala John McLaughlin, Larry Coryell and Allan Holdsworth I never get bored listening to, those cats inspire me. Same goes for classical players like John Williams (the guitarist, not the composer), Segovia, Eliot Fisk, etc.

corplhicks wrote:

This popped up on my Facebook feed today, from Eddie Trunk's wall:

"Ace Frehley just confirmed exclusively on my radio show he and Peter are not being allowed to perform with Kiss at the R&R Hall by Gene and Paul. Kiss wants to perform with current lineup. No original Kiss reunion at HOF planned or being allowed at this time."

Damn. Not surprising, but harsh.

Kiss shouldn't be allowed to play then, they should just collect the award as the four who are being inducted. I don't even know who the other guys are!

Can't believe these men in their 60's can conjure up so much drama, damn it go in, play for the fans and then stay out of each other's lives

Boris2008 wrote:

corplhicks wrote:

This popped up on my Facebook feed today, from Eddie Trunk's wall:

"Ace Frehley just confirmed exclusively on my radio show he and Peter are not being allowed to perform with Kiss at the R&R Hall by Gene and Paul. Kiss wants to perform with current lineup. No original Kiss reunion at HOF planned or being allowed at this time."

Damn. Not surprising, but harsh.

Kiss shouldn't be allowed to play then, they should just collect the award as the four who are being inducted. I don't even know who the other guys are!

You would think that a band like KISS would use bands like Van Halen, Blondie, & Guns 'n Roses as the formula on how not to handle a Rock and Roll Hall of Fame induction ceremony. Then again, you're dealing with someone like that of Gene Simmons, who will take all of those he considers his enemies to the grave with him. I live by a different code in my life, so I just don't understand holding onto the past and old gripes, but it seems like Gene enjoys this aspect of his life to a fault. The thing that is so pathetic about Gene, is that he never is wrong, it's always someone else's fault. None of this news is all that surprising..