Oh Joy, Sotomayor is confirmed!

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I think that as a country as whole we focus too
much on what divides us, things like race, religion, whether or not if
one or is conversative or libreal, in the end of the day who gives a
sh!t.

I'm for Supreme Court justices that have experience and a proven track record that they rule by the Constitution and protect all Americans according to the Constitution and uphold the Bill of Rights without personal interpretation, not ethnically diverse justices. Color and creed should have no bearing on the matter.

Troublezone wrote:

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No one gave a damn about the Native Americans. We just uprooted them, and if the didn't work, slaughtered them. No one ever considers them.

The civil war was fought to free the slaves but what war was fought for the rights of the American Indians?

That actually wasn't the main reason. Slavery (sadly) would've probably continued had the southern states not seceded from the Union. It was the aforementioned and the southern states decision to provisionally appoint Jefferson Davis as their President that created the Civil War. The ending of slavery was actually a by product of the Union and their victory over the Confederacy.

good for her.

A whole lot of Faux News going on in this thread I see.

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I think that as a country as whole we focus too much on what divides us, things like race, religion, whether or not if one or is conversative or libreal, in the end of the day who gives a sh!t.

I give a sh!t. When it comes to extreme views from either side it does matter. It's hip these days to say "let's turn a blind eye" to who these people are rather than if they are right for the job because we need a quota on adding other races to the fold to satisfy the naacp or whatever. Look out Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson are watching and ready to throw a hissy fit.

metalinmyveins wrote:

Troublezone wrote:

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No one gave a damn about the Native Americans. We just uprooted them, and if the didn't work, slaughtered them. No one ever considers them.

The civil war was fought to free the slaves but what war was fought for the rights of the American Indians?

That actually wasn't the main reason. Slavery (sadly) would've probably continued had the southern states not seceded from the Union. It was the aforementioned and the southern states decision to provisionally appoint Jefferson Davis as their President that created the Civil War. The ending of slavery was actually a by product of the Union and their victory over the Confederacy.

I know that wasn't the only reason it just went with the point i was trying to make about the Native Americans.

SpectreFate wrote:

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I think that as a country as whole we focus too
much on what divides us, things like race, religion, whether or not if
one or is conversative or libreal, in the end of the day who gives a
sh!t.

X200!

*note* - if you're looking for a politician who doesn't cater to special interest groups, you ain't going to find one on either side of the aisle in Washington. Sorry, just the facts man. They are ALL crooked to some degree...or they wouldn't have made it into office.

Chairman_Smith wrote:

A whole lot of Faux News going on in this thread I see.

Right. Anyone who disagrees with the current administration must be a right wing idealogue totally brainwashed by Fox News Channel.

Gimme a break.

TZ first time I have been accused of being hip!!!!! In a seriousness what I meant by my statement is that if you have a different political ideology than I it doesnot prevent me from having a friendship with that person.

I think the problem is that people let crap like that get in the way, instead of seeing a person who may happen to have a different viewpoint they just want to try to convert them to their way of thinking.

Also what passes for political discourse now adays is disgraceful, we can disagree without being disagreeable. For example, joker and I, when it comes to politics rarely see eye to eye, but it does not change my opinion on him as a human being, still think he is a cool guy.

The mere act of 'trying to add other races to not appear racist" is racism in itself.

The fact that the news are like "there are current (x) number of whites and (X) number of latinos and (x) number of females and (x) number of males is proof that racism (and sexism) still deeply exists seeing that we are concerned...at all ...about that stuff.


The only way to counter this is with equal opportunity meritocratic system which only exists for the most part in the military.

tohostudios wrote:

Chairman_Smith wrote:

A whole lot of Faux News going on in this thread I see.

Right. Anyone who disagrees with the current administration must be a right wing idealogue totally brainwashed by Fox News Channel.

Gimme a break.

No, thats not what i'm saying. I've just seen some of their propoganda points come up.

But, take it lightly, since I used one of MSNBC's propoganda phrases

SlaytanicPOWER wrote:

The mere act of 'trying to add other races to not appear racist" is racism in itself.

The fact that the news are like "there are current (x) number of whites and (X) number of latinos and (x) number of females and (x) number of males is proof that racism (and sexism) still deeply exists seeing that we are concerned...at all ...about that stuff.


The only way to counter this is with equal opportunity meritocratic system which only exists for the most part in the military.

Thanks bro!!!!! I did see you have a libertarian streak to you on your facebook political ideology test!

SlaytanicPOWER wrote:

The mere act of 'trying to add other races to not appear racist" is racism in itself.

The fact that the news are like "there are current (x) number of whites and (X) number of latinos and (x) number of females and (x) number of males is proof that racism (and sexism) still deeply exists seeing that we are concerned...at all ...about that stuff.


The only way to counter this is with equal opportunity meritocratic system which only exists for the most part in the military.

Good point! In the military you have to earn your position it isn't just handed to you because of racial quotas. If someone has a higher test score rating you don't turn around and give the position to another person that is not right for the job. It should have nothing to do with race and everything to do with qualification.

manny wrote:

TZ first time I have been accused of being hip!!!!! In a seriousness what I meant by my statement is that if you have a different political ideology than I it doesnot prevent me from having a friendship with that person.

I think the problem is that people let crap like that get in the way, instead of seeing a person who may happen to have a different viewpoint they just want to try to convert them to their way of thinking.

Also what passes for political discourse now adays is disgraceful, we can disagree without being disagreeable. For example, joker and I, when it comes to politics rarely see eye to eye, but it does not change my opinion on him as a human being, still think he is a cool guy.

I agree that people should be civil with each other even if they have different opinions. I can see how latinos would see this as a big step in recognition but i just wish it wasn't her. I know there are many better choices in the hispanic community. I personally like hispanics a lot and i think they have some of the most beautiful women. My girlfriend is mexican and navajo indian so i definately am not against them and their advancment in society.

thejokeriv wrote:

SlaytanicPOWER wrote:

The mere act of 'trying to add other races to not appear racist" is racism in itself.

The fact that the news are like "there are current (x) number of whites and (X) number of latinos and (x) number of females and (x) number of males is proof that racism (and sexism) still deeply exists seeing that we are concerned...at all ...about that stuff.


The only way to counter this is with equal opportunity meritocratic system which only exists for the most part in the military.

Thanks bro!!!!! I did see you have a libertarian streak to you on your facebook political ideology test!

Ahhhh facebook xD

Yeah I guess that's what I would be classified as.

Personally I wish the world was modeled after the Federation off of Heinlein's Starship Troopers novel.

Troublezone wrote:

SlaytanicPOWER wrote:

The mere act of 'trying to add other races to not appear racist" is racism in itself.

The fact that the news are like "there are current (x) number of whites and (X) number of latinos and (x) number of females and (x) number of males is proof that racism (and sexism) still deeply exists seeing that we are concerned...at all ...about that stuff.


The only way to counter this is with equal opportunity meritocratic system which only exists for the most part in the military.

Good point! In the military you have to earn your position it isn't just handed to you because of racial quotas. If someone has a higher test score rating you don't turn around and give the position to another person that is not right for the job. It should have nothing to do with race and everything to do with qualification.

The only problem tho is we are constantly trying to 'detect' racism and racists occurrences, and the only way to do is through inferring causation through correlation.

In some instances, racism could 'appear' to be happening but is not (or at least not actively). For instance you're noting going to see many black Americans at MIT or other ivy league schools simply b/c the average black person does not have 1). the grades 2). the fiscal support for such an endeavor. Hence the inferring of what some would consider "passive" racism, if a school wants to save face and not appear racist, just up your tuition and grade requirements for acceptance and it's a natural barrier; much like voting back in the 19th century. Though in this particular case, it's a lifestyle and background barrier than a race one, albeit that particular race fits that description more readily than others.

Some mighty stereotypical crapola floating around in this thread.

detuned wrote:

Some mighty stereotypical crapola floating around in this thread.

Stereotypes originate in truth.

detuned wrote:

Some mighty stereotypical crapola floating around in this thread.

And a lot of bleeding heart liberalism.

Troublezone wrote:

detuned wrote:

Some mighty stereotypical crapola floating around in this thread.

And a lot of bleeding heart liberalism.

I think not liking to be stereotyped does not make one a bleeding heart liberal!!!

manny wrote:

Troublezone wrote:

detuned wrote:

Some mighty stereotypical crapola floating around in this thread.

And a lot of bleeding heart liberalism.

I think not liking to be stereotyped does not make one a bleeding heart liberal!!!

And i can't stand overly PC views...

Well TZ I don't think you'll find many p.c. views among our fellow metalheads on this board, being respectful of other people's views and races does not make one p.c, just polite.

I respect everyone's opinion on Sotomayor's confirmation. But the "wise Latina" comment echoed over and over through the years gives me serious pause.

tohostudios wrote:

I respect everyone's opinion on Sotomayor's confirmation. But the "wise Latina" comment echoed over and over through the years gives me serious pause.

Well that's different you are expressing an opinion and objection to what her viewpoint maybe, you not expressing disapproval because she is Latina. Anyway I do have to agree to a certain extent with TZ, sometimes we get so PC, everybody's afraid to express an opinion afraid of offending someone.