TourniqueT news

It will be interesting to see how it works out for them.

bassman wrote:

I understand the concept he's talking about, but I thought we buy the CDs, the T-shirts, and all the other merch at the concerts to fund the band. Now we are asked to donate money to record an album that we will have to spend more money to buy when it comes out. Sounds iffy to me, and I love the band but this kind of turns me off, you know?

I agree.

I get the concept of pre-orders...I also understand that what I can get done in NC is probably more expensive in CA...but $22K? With what is available today in terms of recording in smaller studios and achieving good sound quality, I still think $22K is a bit much. I have to think that half of that has to be Neil Kernon's fee, which I think is unnecessary. But hey, I'm not in TQT and they can do whatever they feel like the need to.

ultmetal wrote:

$22,000 is more than we have spent recording Ultimatum's albums combined. LOL!

I guess you answered my question

A band can record a full album with mixing and mastering for about 5-6 thousand. 22 thousand dollars for these idiots to record another crap album is too funny for words.

Weren't Bride also thinking of trying this "fan-financed album" idea a couple of years ago?

ultmetal wrote:

Someone has already paid 750

Ouch! What're they gonna do if that guy doesn't like the CD when it comes out? "The new album sucks! I want my $750 back!"

The most we ever spent on recording an album was Mechanics of Perilous Times, which cost us upward of $8-9,000. The engineer was spending so much time tweaking this and that, he was killing us.

We recorded "Lex Metalis" for $2,500. Of course, that is just the cost of the studio; recording and mixing. That doesn't count making the CDs, artwork, etc.

hahaha what a sucker! He's never gonna see his 750.00 donation amount to anything except more garbage.

Fat Freddy wrote:

Weren't Bride also thinking of trying this "fan-financed album" idea a couple of years ago?

ultmetal wrote:

Someone has already paid 750

Ouch! What're they gonna do if that guy doesn't like the CD when it comes out? "The new album sucks! I want my $750 back!"

but the good part is if it is not good we can blame all the people who contributed.

will the contributers at least get credit in the booklet?

Lurideath wrote:

hahaha what a sucker! He's never gonna see his 750.00 donation amount to anything except more garbage.

Not everybody thinks the last couple of albums from Tourniquet sucked you know. That being said, $750 seems a little rediculous (sic) unless they get to have lunch with the band .

I think this type of model will hurt in the long-term. If bands rely on fans to support both the recording and then to buy the cd, it might work with a handful of artists but if it becomes expected - i dont think fans will be willing to fork over that much cash...

Sorry you liked their last few albums then! Smurf!

Well, the whole concept makes more sense now. I stand corrected. I still think it's a terrible idea and the only money I will be chipping in will be the money for the CD if it ever comes out.

MetalH wrote:

Well, the whole concept makes more sense now. I stand corrected. I still think it's a terrible idea and the only money I will be chipping in will be the money for the CD if it ever comes out.

Agreed. It's been over 7 years. When it comes out, I'll plunk down the money.

I'd give em a Benji if they got Erik, Gary, Victor and that cartoon voiced singer back in the fold

That line up really ripped it up on the stage.

Tourniquet NEEDS two guit-fiddle players and dude playing now isn't one of em

My .02 from the middle of Montana

DallasBlack wrote:

Lurideath wrote:

hahaha what a sucker! He's never gonna see his 750.00 donation amount to anything except more garbage.

Not everybody thinks the last couple of albums from Tourniquet sucked you know. That being said, $750 seems a little rediculous (sic) unless they get to have lunch with the band .

750 bucks! For that kind of donation they would have to be introducing me as the new bass player because if I'm going to drop that kind of dough on the band, I'd better get to lay down half the bass tracks on the new recording.

Why not go for 100.000 and get Andy Sneap to produce it...

James B. wrote:

That (classic) line up really ripped it up on the stage.

Tourniquet NEEDS two guit-fiddle players and dude playing now isn't one of em

AGREED!

Too bad Gary will never return, but I would wet myself if Victor, Erik, and Guy returned to the fold. While I can find something to like with "Vanishing Lessons" and onward, they just don't have the same chemistry that they did with the first three records.

...and I'm sorry, but Luke just isn't that great a singer. He sounded good on "Vanishing Lessons," but I think that was only because his voice was layered more than half the time on that album IMO.

Ever since Intense records vanished, Tourniquet (to me at least) seems unfocused.

Everyone speaks of "chemistry" with the original line up, but what we forget is that, aside from vocals, there's no guarantee that the guitars/bass were played by who we think. There is a better than average chance that Ted wrote/played a large part of those parts himself in addition to drums.

Shawn Of Fire wrote:

Everyone speaks of "chemistry" with the original line up, but what we forget is that, aside from vocals, there's no guarantee that the guitars/bass were played by who we think. There is a better than average chance that Ted wrote/played a large part of those parts himself in addition to drums.

Someone said they had better chemistry on live shows. It's hard to disagree when watching Ocular Digital DVD (there's Tourniquet's first show ever and a show from 2002, I recall). Especially Victor Macias had HUGE stage presence. HUGE!


On albums, though, it's true that it's more difficult to say anything about their chemistry. From Psycho Surgery to The Collected Works it's clear that Victor played all bass tracks himself. On Stop the Bleeding Ted and Gary shared that duty. On Crawl to China and Microscopic View of a Telescopic Realm Ted and Aaron shared the bass tracks.
What comes to playing the guitar parts they have always admitted that whoever played the riffs better got to play them on record. I think it usually went so that Ted played guitar on most of the songs he wrote and Gary played on most of the songs he wrote. I don't know if Erik played any of the rhythm guitar on the albums.

Watching their early live shows it's clear though that Gary was able to play all the riffs really well. He played the riffs well enough to make the audience think he had played them on the albums as well.
They really had great chemistry on stage. There's no doubt about it.

Shawn Of Fire wrote:

Everyone speaks of "chemistry" with the original line up, but what we forget is that, aside from vocals, there's no guarantee that the guitars/bass were played by who we think. There is a better than average chance that Ted wrote/played a large part of those parts himself in addition to drums.

Good point.

But Ted likely didn't do the vocals on those albums.

mc666 wrote:

haven't cared for these guys since Pathogenic Ocular Dissonance. everything after that has gotten progressively worse.

+1

I also thought Vanishing Lessons had it's moments but i never liked Luke Easter in the band.

He RUINS the Guy Ritter songs!

And even though i don't like Gary's new outlook on Christianity, he was a major part of the classic TQT sound and a great guitar player...

If this album is meant to be, I'll check it out... hopefully Luke's vocals will not be corny like usual.

But i have to admit that i'm a big fan of Farmer Ted's drumming!