What Is Metal?

detuned wrote:

Go ask any 20 people on the street to give you an example of a definitive heavy metal band...I bet you'd get the oddest answers. The term is so broad and covers so many different styles it literally can mean many different things to different people.

No doubt, just like there are many, many different styles of jazz. It's all still jazz.

ultmetal wrote:

detuned wrote:

Go ask any 20 people on the street to give you an example of a definitive heavy metal band...I bet you'd get the oddest answers. The term is so broad and covers so many different styles it literally can mean many different things to different people.

No doubt, just like there are many, many different styles of jazz. It's all still jazz.

Agree 100%. And the other thing jazz & metal have in common is they each have an endless number of stupid sub-genre names.

detuned wrote:

Go ask any 20 people on the street to give you an example of a definitive heavy metal band...I bet you'd get the oddest answers. The term is so broad and covers so many different styles it literally can mean many different things to different people.

exactly.

sam wrote:

whatever you want it to be.

I agree 100%, if you believe a band is metal then its metal in your opinion. I think what sam is saying is that if a band is borderline hard rock/metal and you think its metal then so be it.

There are way too many sub genres within metal that people really get confused as to what label a band should be. I was in FYE today and in the metal section there was Linkin Park but in the pop/rock section there was Dream Theater? I thought to myself how could this be? After some thinking Linkin Park is/was labeled Nu-Metal when they first arrived. Dream Theater is labeled a progressive band therefore thats why they were left out of the metal section I guess. Dream Theater is a progressive metal band imo and really has no right to be in the pop/rock section of a cd store. If anything they both should be in metal or Linkin Park should be in pop/rock as they are a hell of a lot more popular then Dream Theater are.

I lurk everyday here because the convos are so awesome. I had this experience happen to me the past couple of weeks. Last Saturday tehre was a twenty percent off at the music store here. My friend fronted me half the cost of a new guitar. I ended up falling in love with a Fender Lone Star Strat. My friends can't understand that. They ask me why I got a bluesy guitar and not a EMG equpped Ibanez or ESP. To me, the sound I get out of that Strat IS Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, Saxon. THAT is metal to me.

It just seems more and more what most people's definitiion of metal is becoming further removed from mine. It saddens me hearing young people talk about METAL bands like Bullet for My butthole but you mention Judas Priest / Saxon and you get blank looks like "Why is this chode talking about these stupid old rock bands"

Daybreaker wrote:

I lurk everyday here because the convos are so awesome. I had this experience happen to me the past couple of weeks. Last Saturday tehre was a twenty percent off at the music store here. My friend fronted me half the cost of a new guitar. I ended up falling in love with a Fender Lone Star Strat. My friends can't understand that. They ask me why I got a bluesy guitar and not a EMG equpped Ibanez or ESP. To me, the sound I get out of that Strat IS Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, Saxon. THAT is metal to me.

It just seems more and more what most people's definitiion of metal is becoming further removed from mine. It saddens me hearing young people talk about METAL bands like Bullet for My butthole but you mention Judas Priest / Saxon and you get blank looks like "Why is this chode talking about these stupid old rock bands"

24 years wise!

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I agree 100%, if you believe a band is metal then its metal in your opinion.

No that's called delusional. If i say Green Day is metal that doesn't actually make them metal.

Troublezone wrote:

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I agree 100%, if you believe a band is metal then its metal in your opinion.

No that's called delusional. If i say Green day is metal that doesn't actually make them metal.

I disagree, if Troublezone declares Tom Jones a metal artist, than that makes it so.

Troublezone wrote:

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I agree 100%, if you believe a band is metal then its metal in your opinion.

No that's called delusional. If i say Green Day is metal that doesn't actually make them metal.

Waitaminnit, waitaminnit... you mean, Green Day AREN'T METAL???

This changes everything for me!!

Troublezone wrote:

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I agree 100%, if you believe a band is metal then its metal in your opinion.

No that's called delusional. If i say Green Day is metal that doesn't actually make them metal.

Did you miss the bold/underlined parts?

manny wrote:

Troublezone wrote:

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I agree 100%, if you believe a band is metal then its metal in your opinion.

No that's called delusional. If i say Green day is metal that doesn't actually make them metal.

I disagree, if Troublezone declares Tom Jones a metal artist, than that makes it so.

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Did you miss the bold/underlined parts?

Oh in that case... I believe i'm in the bahamas right now sippin a martini.

Fat Freddy wrote:

Troublezone wrote:

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I agree 100%, if you believe a band is metal then its metal in your opinion.

No that's called delusional. If i say Green Day is metal that doesn't actually make them metal.

Waitaminnit, waitaminnit... you mean, Green Day AREN'T METAL???

This changes everything for me!!

They're not? You've just corrupted my entire universe.

Haven't we had this thread before?

heavy metal = dark, powerful guitar-riff based rock music.

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Waitaminnit, waitaminnit... you mean, Green Day AREN'T METAL???

This changes everything for me!!

I know what you mean... Billy Joe shreds with the best of 'em.

Well Green Day may not be metal but we can all agree that Jimmy Eat World is indeed the greatest metal band in the world (next to mega superstar act Keel that is)

manny wrote:

Well Green Day may not be metal but we can all agree that Jimmy Eat World is indeed the greatest metal band in the world (next to mega superstar act Keel that is)

I thought The Naked Brothers Band ruled the metal world...

Troublezone wrote:

manny wrote:

Well Green Day may not be metal but we can all agree that Jimmy Eat World is indeed the greatest metal band in the world (next to mega superstar act Keel that is)

I thought The Naked Brothers Band ruled the metal world...

Pfft. The Jonas Brothers are way more tr00, grimm and kvlt than those pozer Naked Brothers!! Even Ron Keel bows before the Jonas Brothers! HAIL!!!

Troublezone wrote:

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Did you miss the bold/underlined parts?

Oh in that case... I believe i'm in the bahamas right now sippin a martini.

And I believe you are, too.

Shawn Of Fire wrote:

Troublezone wrote:

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Did you miss the bold/underlined parts?

Oh in that case... I believe i'm in the bahamas right now sippin a martini.

And I believe you are, too.

Never, neverland yay!

ultmetal wrote:

Right, but what about Stained Class, Sin After Sin, etc. By today's standards they aren't heavy enough to be considered "heavy metal". Those albums incorporate blues riffs. Also, they were released in the 70's, before there was such a things a "heavy metal". At least that is the logic.

Whadaya kidding me? Those two albums are far heavier than their 80's work. Put 'em side by side. The Priest albums in the second half of the 80's were fluff. As was much of everything.

Marc Mason wrote:

ultmetal wrote:

Right, but what about Stained Class, Sin After Sin, etc. By today's standards they aren't heavy enough to be considered "heavy metal". Those albums incorporate blues riffs. Also, they were released in the 70's, before there was such a things a "heavy metal". At least that is the logic.

Whadaya kidding me? Those two albums are far heavier than their 80's work. Put 'em side by side. The Priest albums in the second half of the 80's were fluff. As was much of everything.

Yes, I am kidding you. I was using the flawed logic of those who claim that bands like Saxon, UFO, Ted Nugent, Aerosmith, Black Sabbath, etc. were never heavy metal bands.

Using the definition of metal that some hold, Judas Priest didn't become a heavy metal band until Painkiller. Everything before that album are "just hard rock".

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Using the definition of metal that some hold, Judas Priest didn't become a heavy metal band until Painkiller. Everything before that album are "just hard rock".

If that was directed toward me i was just saying that Painkiller was as far removed from hard rock as they come. I didn't say earlier albums were not metal.

Troublezone wrote:

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Using the definition of metal that some hold, Judas Priest didn't become a heavy metal band until Painkiller. Everything before that album are "just hard rock".

If that was directed toward me i was just saying that Painkiller was as far removed from hard rock as they come. I didn't say earlier albums were not metal.

No. It wasn't directed at you. It was just a general statement using the logic that metal can't have blues based riffs, have to be as heavy as the bands of today, etc.

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It was just a general statement using the logic that metal can't have blues based riffs, have to be as heavy as the bands of today, etc.

Tell that to Larry Farkas.