Define heavy metal by...

I didnot take the geographical ascept into a account, so thank you for sharing your point of view, when I was in my early teens magazines like Hit Parader and Circus were one of the few main stream press that covered metal, and they of course mostly focused on the glam/hair metal simply because they helped sell more copies, so I also think why some of these bands such as Poison and Bon Jovi were classified as metal when in reality they had little in common with Deep Purple or Black Sabbath, and IMO had more in common with Slade, The Sweet, and to a small extent T.Rex.

detuned wrote:

ultmetal wrote:

Songs that define metal:
Queensryche - Queen of the Ryche
Accept - Fast As A Shark
Black Sabbath - Neon Knights
Iron Maiden - Wratchild
Judas Priest - Delivering the Goods
Metallica - Whiplash
Megadeth - Peace Sells...
Stryper - Surrender
Dio - Holy Diver

Nice list, interesting also to note that only 1 song on the list came out prior to 1980.

Like you said, ask me again in a few minutes and my list would probably change.

Black Sabbath- Ironman
Aerosmith- Mama Kin
Stryper- Soliders Under Command
ACDC- Whole Lotta Rosie
Guns N Roses- Welcome to the Jungle
Blue Oyster Cult- Don't Fear The Reaper
Ted Nugent- Cat Scratch Fever
Megadeth- Symphony of Destruction
Deliverance- No Time
Metallica- Blackened

those are the ones that do it for me

I agree with Ult's definition I know that topic has been hashed out a million times but I think that no one person can tell you what is and what is not metal, I think in a sense its a personal definition, Like im sure peeps might disagree with my list but my list is what it is for me based on exposure and what not. I think that there can be a general consensus like with bands Black Sabbath, Led Zepplin, etc...

Ult you said that if you were asked in 10 mins it would probobly change, Im surprised you havent listed any Aerosmith

This is tough - lots of songs do, but I will give it a shot

Iron Maiden - Rime Of The acient Mariner
Black Sabbath - Iron Man
Skid Row - Slave To The Grind
Slayer - Hell Awaits
Metallica - Master Of Puppets
Quiet Riot - Metal health
Queesnryche - Queen Of The Ryche
Motorhead - Ace Of Spades
Megadeth - Hanger 18
Bride - Live To Die

Addy wrote:

Ult you said that if you were asked in 10 mins it would probobly change, Im surprised you havent listed any Aerosmith

OK, how's this?

Aerosmith - Nobody's Fault
Thin Lizzy - Emerald
Ted Nugent - Stormtroopin'
Black Sabbath - Hole in the Sky
Judas Priest - Painkiller
Anvil - Metal on Metal
Raven/Udo Dirkschneider - Born to be Wild
Iron Maiden - Number of the Beast
Exodus - Braindead
Nazareth - Hair of the Dog

I think anything from the 70s catalog of Aerosmith could easily fit into my list

Like detuned, ult, and Addy ask me in ten minutes and I would give you a different set of songs

Addy wrote:

Blue Oyster Cult- Don't Fear The Reaper

Interesting. I would have picked one of BOC's heavier songs, like Godzilla or Cities on flame with rock and roll.

One thing youll learn about me Schbopo is im not much of a metalhead at least by todays standards I picked that BOC song cuz its my fav and i love the guitar work in it

Addy wrote:

One thing youll learn about me Schbopo is im not much of a metalhead at least by todays standards I picked that BOC song cuz its my fav and i love the guitar work in it

Buck Dharma underrated guitar great.

So true. Buck rules.

manny wrote:

Like detuned, ult, and Addy ask me in ten minutes and I would give you a different set of songs

Not me. Those are the songs I picked and im sticking to it!

manny wrote:

My term of what heavy metal is very broad, I consider Aerosmith, Ted Nugent, and AC/DC I consider heavy metal bands, as I do Quiet Riot, Ratt, and Motley Crue, even some bands that are sometimes listed as alternative I consider metal such as Stone Temple Pilots and Alice In Chains even Rammstein.

Nothing wrong with that as many metal magazines include the latter bands you named in them as well. Being as I love everything from hair metal to hardcore/punk I like this. Now to my list:

Ozzy - Shot in the Dark
Dream Theater - Pull Me Under
Vain - 1000 Degrees
Metallica - Welcome Home (Sanitarium)
Queensryche - The Killing Words
Testament - Return to Serenity
Black Sabbath - Heaven and Hell
Iron Maiden - Caught Somewhere in Time
Metal Church - Metal Church
Def Leppard - Mirror, Mirror (Look Into My Eyes)

I have seen the name Vain for years, but never heard any of their music, I amushed they were another hair metal band but I have seen Classic Rock Magazine gave them a good write up when one of their albums was reissued, I will have to go on Youtube when I get out of work and check them out.

7thSecond wrote:

Ozzy - Shot in the Dark
Dream Theater - Pull Me Under
Vain - 1000 Degrees
Metallica - Welcome Home (Sanitarium)
Queensryche - The Killing Words
Testament - Return to Serenity
Black Sabbath - Heaven and Hell
Iron Maiden - Caught Somewhere in Time
Metal Church - Metal Church
Def Leppard - Mirror, Mirror (Look Into My Eyes)

A couple unusual picks there. "Return to Serenity" is a great song, but surprised to see anyone pick a Testament ballad as a song that defines metal. Also surprised to see your choice in Def Leppard songs.

ultmetal wrote:

7thSecond wrote:

Ozzy - Shot in the Dark
Dream Theater - Pull Me Under
Vain - 1000 Degrees
Metallica - Welcome Home (Sanitarium)
Queensryche - The Killing Words
Testament - Return to Serenity
Black Sabbath - Heaven and Hell
Iron Maiden - Caught Somewhere in Time
Metal Church - Metal Church
Def Leppard - Mirror, Mirror (Look Into My Eyes)

A couple unusual picks there. "Return to Serenity" is a great song, but surprised to see anyone pick a Testament ballad as a song that defines metal. Also surprised to see your choice in Def Leppard songs.

Thats an awesome Def Leppard song. In fact I think it is the best song off the best Leppard album

Phoenix Reign Drummer wrote:

manny wrote:

Like detuned, ult, and Addy ask me in ten minutes and I would give you a different set of songs

Not me. Those are the songs I picked and im sticking to it!

Same with me. When I think of metal I always think about those songs, and those are the ones that I hum the most at the office or while taking a bath

ultmetal wrote:

7thSecond wrote:

Ozzy - Shot in the Dark
Dream Theater - Pull Me Under
Vain - 1000 Degrees
Metallica - Welcome Home (Sanitarium)
Queensryche - The Killing Words
Testament - Return to Serenity
Black Sabbath - Heaven and Hell
Iron Maiden - Caught Somewhere in Time
Metal Church - Metal Church
Def Leppard - Mirror, Mirror (Look Into My Eyes)

A couple unusual picks there. "Return to Serenity" is a great song, but surprised to see anyone pick a Testament ballad as a song that defines metal. Also surprised to see your choice in Def Leppard songs.

Well in all honesty the Testament song was chosen simply because it's always been my favorite from them. If I was to chose a little harder song it would've probably been either Electric Crown, Nightmare (Coming Back to You) or Henchmen Ride. Probably still unusual choices, hey? I'm pretty known for that. As far as the Leppard song goes I've always liked it a lot but lately I've been playing Icarus Witch's version a lot and just really like it a lot. I couldn't name a band doing a cover song in good faith so I gave Leppard all of the credit. Hope this helps you understand my not so normal choices. By the way I've never claimed to be very normal anyway.

Well, personally I think Black Sabbath by Black Sabbath incorporates everything in Heavy Metal, but if I were to make a list..

Black Sabbath - Black Sabbath
Metallica - Hit the Lights
Helloween - Halloween
Manowar - Warriors of the World
Pretty Maids - Future World
Uriah Heep - Traveller in Time
Rainbow - Stargazer
Fates Warning - Epitaph
Judas Priest - Hell Patrol
Suicidaæ Tendencies - Join the Army

Not to derail the thread with more debate on what is/isn't metal, I can tell you that when I was a kid growing up (in the 70's) I never heard the term heavy metal. The term "Hard Rock" was how they described the stuff on the radio and that's what my stepfather called it whenever he was complaining about me listening to Kiss or Queen...

I didn't start really hearing the term "heavy metal" being used frequently until the early 80's came around and you started seeing Judas Priest and Iron Maiden videos on HBO's Video Jukebox. The term heavy metal also seemed to go along with a certain visual look (leathers, spikes, etc). When all the pop/glam stuff started coming out (Bon Jovi, Poison, Ratt, Motley Crue, etc) there was no way in hell that I was going to call that heavy metal...and I usually blasted anyone that tried to put those bands in the same category as Motorhead or Venom.

In my "completely personal opinion", the following bands are Hard Rock...not metal: Aerosmith, Ted Nugent, AC/DC, Van Halen, Led Zeppelin, Deep Purple, Foghat, Thin Lizzy, Jimi Hendrix, etc.

On the other hand: Black Sabbath, Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, Motorhead, Venom, Slayer, Savatage, etc are all CLEARLY metal bands.

To take it further into the music of today:

Bands that aren't metal include: Kyuss, Queens Of The Stone Age, King's X, Wolfmother, Graveyard, Witchcraft, etc. etc.

detuned wrote:

Not to derail the thread with more debate on what is/isn't metal, I can tell you that when I was a kid growing up (in the 70's) I never heard the term heavy metal. The term "Hard Rock" was how they described the stuff on the radio and that's what my stepfather called it whenever he was complaining about me listening to Kiss or Queen...

I didn't start really hearing the term "heavy metal" being used frequently until the early 80's came around and you started seeing Judas Priest and Iron Maiden videos on HBO's Video Jukebox. The term heavy metal also seemed to go along with a certain visual look (leathers, spikes, etc). When all the pop/glam stuff started coming out (Bon Jovi, Poison, Ratt, Motley Crue, etc) there was no way in hell that I was going to call that heavy metal...and I usually blasted anyone that tried to put those bands in the same category as Motorhead or Venom.

In my "completely personal opinion", the following bands are Hard Rock...not metal: Aerosmith, Ted Nugent, AC/DC, Van Halen, Led Zeppelin, Deep Purple, Foghat, Thin Lizzy, Jimi Hendrix, etc.

On the other hand: Black Sabbath, Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, Motorhead, Venom, Slayer, Savatage, etc are all CLEARLY metal bands.

To take it further into the music of today:

Bands that aren't metal include: Kyuss, Queens Of The Stone Age, King's X, Wolfmother, Graveyard, Witchcraft, etc. etc.

Oh when will this subject finally die. It's all metal dammit! Even Britney Spears and Justin Timberlake.

I'm sorry if I'm re-opening old wounds, but I was sharing my personal viewpoint and history of how I see it. Whether people agree or not with my views is fine with me, I'm not going to change them regardless.

I'm a stubborn old bastard!

steel warrior wrote:

ultmetal wrote:

7thSecond wrote:

Ozzy - Shot in the Dark
Dream Theater - Pull Me Under
Vain - 1000 Degrees
Metallica - Welcome Home (Sanitarium)
Queensryche - The Killing Words
Testament - Return to Serenity
Black Sabbath - Heaven and Hell
Iron Maiden - Caught Somewhere in Time
Metal Church - Metal Church
Def Leppard - Mirror, Mirror (Look Into My Eyes)

A couple unusual picks there. "Return to Serenity" is a great song, but surprised to see anyone pick a Testament ballad as a song that defines metal. Also surprised to see your choice in Def Leppard songs.

Thats an awesome Def Leppard song. In fact I think it is the best song off the best Leppard album

I loved seeing them play it on tour last year!

detuned wrote:

I can tell you that when I was a kid growing up (in the 70's) I never heard the term heavy metal.

Damn, and still some people have the nerve to say that I come from a 3rd world country