Slade and Sweet heavy metal?

Hi, before you try to lynch me, () please read! Yeah, some of you that watched Top of the Pops and all those British TV shows in the early 70's where songs like "Gudbuy T'Jane" and "Blockbuster" was 1th on the charts will certainly laugh at me. But I'll take the risk! Is there anybody here that consider Sweet and Slade as heavy metal bands? No no, not their early stuff. Sweet was controlled by Chapman and Chinn and Slade did their clap your hands, stomp your feets-thing but their later stuff! After the glam rock moment in the 70's tuned out, Sweet was dropped by Chapman and Chinn and they started to write and produce their own material, to 100%. They even started to wear leather and iron crosses in the late 70's. And I personally would easily labeled albums like Give Us a Wink as 70's metal. Even professional writers have labeled Sweet as heavy metal, in the book "The Rough Guide to Heavy Metal" as example.
Slade by the way, sounded heavier than a NWOBHM band in the early 80's! Just listen to the We'll Bring the House Down and Till Deaf Do Us Apart albums! They still looked like good old polite Slade though, and their lyrics wasn't that evil. But the music was raw! So what do you think about these two bands?

I like both bands and I would consider Slade and Sweet heavy metal due to the fact that these guys influence every glam/hair/pop metal band of the 80's, and Sweet has been covered by Krokus, Black n Blue, Def Leppard, and god knows who else, plus if we are going to consider Bon Jovi and Poison heavy metal than Slade and Sweet certainly fit this billing.

I love Sweet regardless of how you classify them.

tohostudios wrote:

I love Sweet regardless of how you classify them.

Sure, me too. I've grown up with both Slade and Sweet + countless other glam rock bands from the 70's but I was just thinking about the labels... You know, Tygers of Pan Tang's fourth album The Cage is regarded heavy metal and one of the most well known in the NWOBHM (much thanks to their cover of "Love Potion No. 9" which became their biggest hit). But that album to me sounds like just a heavy rock album with a killer pop feeling in the veins of Billy Idol. And if that is regarded metal, well, then Slade is death metal to me. (Not saying that The Cage is bad, just kind of obscure album coming from early Tygers... Well, Billy Idol ain't that bad either but yeah, think you get the point)

They had some heavier songs and even some heavier albums like PONTUS already talked about. also they were a big influence on many heavy rock and heavy metal bands. I would call them glam heavy rock bands because most of their albums and songs are party glam/pop heavy rock anthems.

TrogDawn wrote:

Sorry, I'm new on this forum. Didn't know you have discuss this before? Will search next time. My apologies!

TrogDawn wrote:

It's not that, it's just one of those hot button topics that tend to get ugly.

Meaning, "Can -insert 70's band here- be considered heavy metal?". I've seen these discussions go south quickly, degenerating into a heels in the sand gridlock. Truth is, it's too subjective a topic to really get anywhere with, so every time I see it come up, my eye starts twitching...

Yeah, you're probably right. There is a lot older and more "serious" (if I can put it that way) metalheads here and you all seem to know your thing. I used Metal-Archives' forum for a while and there's nothing wrong with it... if you're from Norway and wear facepaint... No, but I felt very strange about that forum, well, maybe it's great if you take time and get to know the other members but I was almost pinned down, especally in the chat, for liking bands that doesn't hail Satan. So I started this thread to discuss the thing serious, if I would try it on Metal-Archives they would propably send tons of hate PM's and then burn my alive.
I don't have anything against Metal-Archives and their forum but the members I came in contact with wasn't that nice people I've hope to meet on a metal forum, like you guys (and girls?)! Thank you all for a great forum!

Pontus wrote:

TrogDawn wrote:

It's not that, it's just one of those hot button topics that tend to get ugly.

Meaning, "Can -insert 70's band here- be considered heavy metal?". I've seen these discussions go south quickly, degenerating into a heels in the sand gridlock. Truth is, it's too subjective a topic to really get anywhere with, so every time I see it come up, my eye starts twitching...

Yeah, you're probably right. There is a lot older and more "serious" (if I can put it that way) metalheads here and you all seem to know your thing. I used Metal-Archives' forum for a while and there's nothing wrong with it... if you're from Norway and wear facepaint... No, but I felt very strange about that forum, well, maybe it's great if you take time and get to know the other members but I was almost pinned down, especally in the chat, for liking bands that doesn't hail Satan. So I started this thread to discuss the thing serious, if I would try it on Metal-Archives they would propably send tons of hate PM's and then burn my alive.
I don't have anything against Metal-Archives and their forum but the members I came in contact with wasn't that nice people I've hope to meet on a metal forum, like you guys (and girls?)! Thank you all for a great forum!

Everyone here is very friendly and I think you will find that even when we disagree we don't tend to get ugly with each other I have disagreed with some folks here and never once have I gotten a nasty PM , also everyone's taste on this board is very diverse.

manny wrote:

Pontus wrote:

TrogDawn wrote:

It's not that, it's just one of those hot button topics that tend to get ugly.

Meaning, "Can -insert 70's band here- be considered heavy metal?". I've seen these discussions go south quickly, degenerating into a heels in the sand gridlock. Truth is, it's too subjective a topic to really get anywhere with, so every time I see it come up, my eye starts twitching...

Yeah, you're probably right. There is a lot older and more "serious" (if I can put it that way) metalheads here and you all seem to know your thing. I used Metal-Archives' forum for a while and there's nothing wrong with it... if you're from Norway and wear facepaint... No, but I felt very strange about that forum, well, maybe it's great if you take time and get to know the other members but I was almost pinned down, especally in the chat, for liking bands that doesn't hail Satan. So I started this thread to discuss the thing serious, if I would try it on Metal-Archives they would propably send tons of hate PM's and then burn my alive.
I don't have anything against Metal-Archives and their forum but the members I came in contact with wasn't that nice people I've hope to meet on a metal forum, like you guys (and girls?)! Thank you all for a great forum!

Everyone here is very friendly and I think you will find that even when we disagree we don't tend to get ugly with each other I have disagreed with some folks here and never once have I gotten a nasty PM , also everyone's taste on this board is very diverse.

Thank you! Yeah, of course you MUST disagree at some points, not that kind of fun forum if you don't. But it's kind of scary when you get PM's from folks that says that they are going to kill you or other strange things just because you don't think like them about everything.

Sorry for off-topic by the way.

TrogDawn wrote:

My life was so bland before I met Trog.

manny wrote:

Pontus wrote:

TrogDawn wrote:

It's not that, it's just one of those hot button topics that tend to get ugly.

Meaning, "Can -insert 70's band here- be considered heavy metal?". I've seen these discussions go south quickly, degenerating into a heels in the sand gridlock. Truth is, it's too subjective a topic to really get anywhere with, so every time I see it come up, my eye starts twitching...

Yeah, you're probably right. There is a lot older and more "serious" (if I can put it that way) metalheads here and you all seem to know your thing. I used Metal-Archives' forum for a while and there's nothing wrong with it... if you're from Norway and wear facepaint... No, but I felt very strange about that forum, well, maybe it's great if you take time and get to know the other members but I was almost pinned down, especally in the chat, for liking bands that doesn't hail Satan. So I started this thread to discuss the thing serious, if I would try it on Metal-Archives they would propably send tons of hate PM's and then burn my alive.
I don't have anything against Metal-Archives and their forum but the members I came in contact with wasn't that nice people I've hope to meet on a metal forum, like you guys (and girls?)! Thank you all for a great forum!

Everyone here is very friendly and I think you will find that even when we disagree we don't tend to get ugly with each other I have disagreed with some folks here and never once have I gotten a nasty PM , also everyone's taste on this board is very diverse.

Manny is spot on here.

This is the most diverse board I visit musically speaking. And it has its resident "experts" in certain types of music. I've yet to throw a band out on this board that absolutely no one has heard of. Hell, even Butt Trumpet has been mentioned here.

Of course, I haven't tried to talke about Pointed Sticks yet.

As far as the topic, use the search function to see the longer arguments. Bottom line for Slade and Sweet, some songs (especially Sweet) hell yes metal. But for general purposes we consider them hard rock bands around here. I think the generations here have agreed to disagree on this one, and it's ok with me.

For the record, Sweet were considered popmetal when I was growing up and they were on the radio. Slade never really got much airplay here in my experience.

I consider bands like Sweet and Slade to be proto-metal.

It's all rock and roll to me.

Shoot, right now I'm listening to some trippy, 60's Amboy Dukes.

Desolation Boulevard is one of my alltime favorite albums. Not a bad track on it. I especially like some of the ones that never got radio airplay like Solid Gold Brass and Into The Night.

Both bands had much heavier material which never got played on the radio here (in fact Slade, like Status Quo never got airplay here at all. I'm still bitter about this.

Yeah, I didn't even really know about Slade until Quiet Riot.

tohostudios wrote:

Yeah, I didn't even really know about Slade until Quiet Riot.

Same here.

tohostudios wrote:

Yeah, I didn't even really know about Slade until Quiet Riot.

Ditto

I didn't know about Quiet Riot until after Slade. They used to play play lots of Slade on the radio back in NH. I never really considered them metal, but more like...punk.

I consider those bands to be pre-glam metal bands. But songs like No you don't, set me free, and Action are songs that sound very metal

I like both bands and would agree with Ult on this one that they are both proto-metal. Peace.