Most Overrated/Underrated things in Rock/Metal

MOST OVERRATED ALBUMS:

Slayer - Reign in Blood (BEYOND overrated, in my opinion)
Any Cannibal Corpse album

Most Underrated Albums:

Metallica - Load/ReLoad
King Diamond - The Eye/Spider's Lullaby
Judas Priest - Demolition
Aerosmith - Aerosmith

Most Overrated Guitarists:

Kurt Cobain (Probobly THE most overrated guitar player on the face of the earth)
Kerry King (he is not bad at all, he is quite skilled, just still overrated)
Angus Young

Most Underrated Guitarists:

Kirk Hammett (There are MANY haters out there, for such dumb reasons)
Joe Satriani
Jeff Waters
Malcom Young (HE is the main man behind AC/DC...Angus just steals the spot-light)

Most Overrated Vocalists:

Phil Anselmo
Kurt Cobain
Axle Rose
Anders Friden
Rob Flynn
Tom Araya

Most Underrated Vocalists:

Tony Martin
King Diamond
Ralph Scheepers


PS: I realize that Nirvana is not even close to real rock, but I HAD to mention him.

king diamond is the most overrated vocalist EVER!

I'm feeling a wee bit o' deja-vu.

spectrefate wrote:

I'm feeling a wee bit o' deja-vu.

hm...

I found these very similar threads by using the search function, thus deja-vu.

https://heartofmetal.niceboard.com/heart-of-metal-f1/overrated-underrated-t2403.htm?highlight=overrated
https://heartofmetal.niceboard.com/heart-of-metal-f1/the-most-overrated-bands-t177.htm?highlight=overrated
https://heartofmetal.niceboard.com/heart-of-metal-f1/most-overplayed-overrated-metal-song-t2205.htm?highlight=overrated

King Diamond - Spider's Lullaby is one of my favorites by King Diamond.

Do you really think that Kirk Hammett is underrated? I know people who worship the guy like he's the reincarnation of Jimi Hendrix.

ultmetal wrote:

King Diamond - Spider's Lullaby is one of my favorites by King Diamond.

Do you really think that Kirk Hammett is underrated? I know people who worship the guy like he's the reincarnation of Jimi Hendrix.

Like I said, a lot of people worship him like you said, and that is a bit overrated, but among metal purists, he is bashed a lot, and quite underrated. It's a mixed situation. What do you think of him?

PS: "The Spider's Lullaby" is one of my favourites too! You should seriously get his new disc. It's REALLY good!

Im Sorry Mglaff you've lost my respect.Reign in Blood overrated and Load/Reload underrated.What in the world is wrong with you.Thats Heresy my friend!!!!

Wooooo boy... Eyesore is gonna have a field day with this thread...

Judas Priest's DEMOLITION is UNDERrated?? Are ye MAD son?? If you'd said JUGULATOR, I would've agreed with ya... but DEMOLITION... ugh... there simply are no words to describe its badness.

thrasher73 wrote:

Im Sorry Mglaff you've lost my respect.Reign in Blood overrated and Load/Reload underrated.What in the world is wrong with you.Thats Heresy my friend!!!!

I'm afraid, that is a difference of opinion, my friend. I am not saying that Reign in Blood was not a monumental album, but I have just always thought Slayer was a bit overrated. And...the whole fraking album is only 28 minutes long! It is not really all that different from say, Hell Awaits, except from the fact that Hell Awaits was 10x more memorable. I never liked Slayer that much. Reign in blood is short, un-memorable (although "Raning Blood" has one of Slayer's most memorable riffs) and just...overrated. In my opinion, South of Heaven and Seasons in the Abyss were Slayer's best albums. Divine Intervention is, as scott stated in his review, a carbon copy of Reign in Blood, and to me, musically, is just as good, if not a bit better, because the song lengths are more spread. Scott has a similar opinion on Slayer, but I don't see you telling him off? And Load/ReLoad ARE a bit underrated. They are great albums. This is all my own opinion, of course.

ultmetal wrote:

King Diamond - Spider's Lullaby is one of my favorites by King Diamond.

Do you really think that Kirk Hammett is underrated? I know people who worship the guy like he's the reincarnation of Jimi Hendrix.

he is the reincarnation of jimi hendrix thats why

Fat Freddy wrote:

Wooooo boy... Eyesore is gonna have a field day with this thread...

Judas Priest's DEMOLITION is UNDERrated?? Are ye MAD son?? If you'd said JUGULATOR, I would've agreed with ya... but DEMOLITION... ugh... there simply are no words to describe its badness.

haha, I am sure he is!

Again, that is a difference of opinion. And Jugulator is also very underrated, I must have forgotten to list it. Basically, Ripper era Priest.

Mglaffas81 wrote:

Fat Freddy wrote:

Wooooo boy... Eyesore is gonna have a field day with this thread...

Judas Priest's DEMOLITION is UNDERrated?? Are ye MAD son?? If you'd said JUGULATOR, I would've agreed with ya... but DEMOLITION... ugh... there simply are no words to describe its badness.

haha, I am sure he is!

Again, that is a difference of opinion. And Jugulator is also very underrated, I must have forgotten to list it. Basically, Ripper era Priest.

Fair enough. I agree, Ripper's Priest stuff as a whole is underrated, but I vastly prefer JUGULATOR over DEMOLITION. There are only two or three songs on DEMO that I really like, the rest is filler, filler, filler!!!

Fat Freddy wrote:

Mglaffas81 wrote:

Fat Freddy wrote:

Wooooo boy... Eyesore is gonna have a field day with this thread...

Judas Priest's DEMOLITION is UNDERrated?? Are ye MAD son?? If you'd said JUGULATOR, I would've agreed with ya... but DEMOLITION... ugh... there simply are no words to describe its badness.

haha, I am sure he is!

Again, that is a difference of opinion. And Jugulator is also very underrated, I must have forgotten to list it. Basically, Ripper era Priest.

Fair enough. I agree, Ripper's Priest stuff as a whole is underrated, but I vastly prefer JUGULATOR over DEMOLITION. There are only two or three songs on DEMO that I really like, the rest is filler, filler, filler!!!

You wil have to explain why, Freddy...I think it kicks ass hehehe

I don't think Eyesore will be on any of my threads anymore...I have a "SLIGHT" gut feeling, that he doesn't think too much of me

Mglaffas81 wrote:

You wil have to explain why, Freddy...I think it kicks ass hehehe

Basically, "Machine Man," "Bloodsuckers" and "Metal Messiah" are the good DEMOLITION songs (even with the rap-style vocals on "Metal Messiah") -- the rest? Yuk. "Cyberface" is not only the worst song on that album, but Priest's all time worst song, and possibly the worst song in the history of recorded music.

But as Dennis Miller always sez, "Of course, that's just my opinion, I could be wrong..."

its a good job rob came back then

Mglaffas81 wrote:

I am not saying that Reign in Blood was not a monumental album, the whole fraking album is only 28 minutes long!

28 minutes is perfect. I figure it is better to listen to a band that knows what they are good at, rather than suffer whilst a confused band tries to pick a musical style for over 79 minutes (!) which is represented by Metallica's Load.

Mglaffas81 wrote:

Divine Intervention is, as scott stated in his review, a carbon copy of Reign in Blood,

Not even close. Divine Intervention is dribble. But still miles ahead of all of Metallica's 90's output combined. I can say this with complete certainty to anyone.

Everyone has opinions. Mine are just right 80% of the time. Ask my wife.

TheGooch wrote:

ultmetal wrote:

King Diamond - Spider's Lullaby is one of my favorites by King Diamond.

Do you really think that Kirk Hammett is underrated? I know people who worship the guy like he's the reincarnation of Jimi Hendrix.

he is the reincarnation of jimi hendrix thats why

With that little mustache, Kirk looks more like the reincarnation of Carlos Santana. Except Carlos Santana isn't dead yet.

TheGooch wrote:

he is the reincarnation of jimi hendrix thats why

Are you partially deaf in one or both of your ears?

Everyone has opinions. Mine are just right 80% of the time. Ask my wife. [/quote]

Opinions are not "right" or "wrong" ....and believe me buddy, if you are basing all this on your wife's approval, I will lose all rescpect for you

Mglaffas81 wrote:

buddy,

You're not, so don't.

spectrefate wrote:

Mglaffas81 wrote:

buddy,

You're not, so don't.

hm...all right. Now...you are bashing me, for my opinion? wow, that's mature

Mglaffas81 wrote:

Now...you are bashing me, for my opinion? wow, that's mature

Where was the bashing? Can you quote it for me please? I'm all about self-improvement.

handbags down, ladies

Mglaffas81 wrote:

thrasher73 wrote:

Im Sorry Mglaff you've lost my respect.Reign in Blood overrated and Load/Reload underrated.What in the world is wrong with you.Thats Heresy my friend!!!!

I'm afraid, that is a difference of opinion, my friend. I am not saying that Reign in Blood was not a monumental album, but I have just always thought Slayer was a bit overrated. And...the whole fraking album is only 28 minutes long! It is not really all that different from say, Hell Awaits, except from the fact that Hell Awaits was 10x more memorable. I never liked Slayer that much. Reign in blood is short, un-memorable (although "Raning Blood" has one of Slayer's most memorable riffs) and just...overrated. In my opinion, South of Heaven and Seasons in the Abyss were Slayer's best albums. Divine Intervention is, as scott stated in his review, a carbon copy of Reign in Blood, and to me, musically, is just as good, if not a bit better, because the song lengths are more spread. Scott has a similar opinion on Slayer, but I don't see you telling him off? And Load/ReLoad ARE a bit underrated. They are great albums. This is all my own opinion, of course.

I've always thought that Slayer were a bit overrated as well and have said as much on my site. Not that they are bad by any means. When I purchased "Show No Mercy" in the early 80's when I was in high school, I was blown away.

I actually agree that Reign in Blood is over rated. It's barely an EP and the songs are short and don't have much to say. The song "Raining Blood" has a killer riff, but otherwise, I think that Show No Mercy, South of Heaven and Seasons in the Abyss are Slayer's best albums as well.



Mglaffas81,
No one is telling you off. You have to understand that on this board we are all friends. We all have different opinions and we all like to razz each other. It's part of the fun. Don't get offended bro.


Here's my review of Reign in Blood:
SLAYYYYYEEERRRRRRR!!! You can't go to a metal concert without some drunk metalhead screaming this out in their best growly voice. For me, I have always thought that Slayer and this album specifically, are a bit overrated. I was a big fan of Slayer in their early days. I bought "Show No Mercy" as a new release and found it to be spectacular. However, it is quite different from what Slayer later became. I am still a huge thrash fan and own a very large collection of thrash from the popular bands like Metallica and Overkill to the obscure stuff like Blackend and Consecrator. Because of that I was getting at least one to two emails a month asking why I didn't own this "thrash masterpiece." One email I received recently claimed that this was "the greatest thrash album EVER released in any way, shape or form." This seems to be the general consensus among thrash fans. Even magazines like Metal Maniacs, Guitar Player and Pit magazine list this at the very top of the thrash metal heep. Well, that being said, I never got it and perhaps that is because by the time this CD came out I had already grown tired of Slayer's anti-Christian imagery, especially since I am myself a Christian. So what does that have to do with the music? Well, I honestly think nostalgia plays a big part in what people think of music and that certainly holds true for me.

I admit that this is one monumental and important album as far as it's place in heavy metal history, in much the same way as Metallica's "Ride the Lightning" and "Master of Puppets." Certainly you can hear Slayer's influence in much of 1990's thrash metal and you can also attribute much of the death metal genre to "Reign in Blood", along with Death's "Scream Bloody Gore" and Possessed's "Seven Churches." "Piece by Piece" alone is probably responsible for the lyrical direction of hordes of death metal bands. There is also no denying the insane drumming of Dave Lombardo, the sheer aggression of Araya's vocals, and the tag team guitars and the powerful riffage of King and Hanneman. Their production and guitar tone alone is some of the heaviest ever laid down on vinyl. While this album may seem tame compared to today's downtuned, extreme metal standards, this was not true in 1986 when this album was released. They just didn't come any heavier than Slayer in the mid-80's.

The albums lead off track "Angel of Death", a song about the concentration camp horrors of Joseph "Angel of Death" Menghele, and the album's closing track "Raining Blood" are the standout cuts here. These two tracks alone were the soundtrack to many a rebellious teen in the 1980's. Likewise, "Epedemic" and "Jesus Saves" stick out in my mind as above average tracks on this album. The rest kind of leaves me cold. It just has never done much for me. Yes, I know this is blasphemy for the average thrash fan, but that's just my opinion. The album also suffers from the fact that no less than eight of the ten tracks are UNDER 3 minutes long and the entire CD is only 28 minutes in length. Shoot, I have EPs that are longer than that. Heck, for that matter, I think I have single songs that are close to the length of this entire album. Of course the biggest detraction for me is the anti-Christian sentiment that runs throughout the lyrics. I realize that most of it was for shock value and I also realize there are other themes represented here as well. As mentioned before, "Angel of Death" is about Joseph Menghele, however there is no denying the pure disdain for people of faith in "Jesus Saves" and several other tracks. So, while "Reign in Blood" is musically an excellent CD and an important part of metal history, it is marred by lyrics that I just find to be offensive for the most part making this album more of a part of my metal collection than something that would ever frequent my CD player. The reissue contains bonus tracks of "Aggressive Perfector" and a remix of "Criminally Insane".