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muckie Metal graduate
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| Subject: Most overrated/underrated albums from major HR/HM icons Fri Jul 29, 2016 11:49 pm | |
| Looking to hear everyone's opinion of this.
Can you give me a rundown of the single most underrated/overrated albums in the catalog of these iconic artists of HR/HM?
AC/DC Aerosmith Alice Cooper Black Sabbath Deep Purple Dio Grateful Dead Guns & Roses Helloween Iron Maiden Judas Priest KiSS Led Zeppelin Metallica Motley Crue Ozzy Osbourne Pantera Pink Floyd Poison Queen Ratt Skid Row Slayer Stryper Wishbone Ash Yngwie Malmsteem
I know this isn't a comprehensive list, but I'm just thinking of the biggest and most influential ones from their hey-dey.
So the format will be like Most Overrated: Third Album Most Underrated: First Album
And then a summary, however long you want to make it, for each.
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Hadley Metal master
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| Subject: Re: Most overrated/underrated albums from major HR/HM icons Sat Jul 30, 2016 12:46 pm | |
| Grateful Dead, Pink Floyd, and Wishbone Ash are considered Hard Rock/Heavy Metal now? | |
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80s Metal Lady Metal master
Number of posts : 896 Age : 50
| Subject: Re: Most overrated/underrated albums from major HR/HM icons Sat Jul 30, 2016 11:02 pm | |
| KISS
Most overrated: Destroyer Most underrated: Music From: The Elder
KISS Solo edition
Most overrated: Ace Frehley Most underrated: Gene Simmons | |
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80s Metal Lady Metal master
Number of posts : 896 Age : 50
| Subject: Re: Most overrated/underrated albums from major HR/HM icons Sat Jul 30, 2016 11:54 pm | |
| Ozzy Osbourne
Most overrated: For now, I'll say Blizzard of Ozz though a later album may better qualify. I like the album well enough, I just think Diary was better but so many fans favor the debut. I'm sick of "Crazy Train," too.
Most underrated: The Ultimate Sin | |
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brokentulsa Heart of Metal
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| Subject: Re: Most overrated/underrated albums from major HR/HM icons Sun Jul 31, 2016 12:31 am | |
| - Quote :
- Grateful Dead, Pink Floyd, and Wishbone Ash are considered Hard Rock/Heavy Metal now?
Don't really want to start a debate but when these artist first came out..yeah, they were considered hard rock artist and were played on fm rock stations along with Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath, etc.... | |
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brokentulsa Heart of Metal
Number of posts : 1779 Age : 58
| Subject: Re: Most overrated/underrated albums from major HR/HM icons Sun Jul 31, 2016 1:07 am | |
| Overrated/Underrated
AC/DC......Fly On The Wall/TNT Aerosmith..Toys In The Attic/Permanent Vacation Alice Cooper...Billion Dollar Babies/Trash Black Sabbath...S/T debut/Born Again Deep Purple...In Rock/Perfect Strangers Dio...Dream Evil/Angry Machines Grateful Dead...In The Dark/Anthem Of The Sun Guns & Roses...Use Your Illusion 1/Lies Helloween...Keeper Of The Seven Keyspart 1/Straight Out of Hell Iron Maiden...Book Of Souls/The Final Frontier Judas Priest...Sin After Sin/Turbo KiSS...Kiss Alive/Hot In The Shade Led Zeppelin...IV/Presence Metallica....Load/Death Magnetic Motley Crue...Dr. Feelgood/Saints Of Los Angeles Ozzy Osbourne...bark At The Moon/Ultimate Sin Pantera...Far Beyond Driven/The 4 glam albums from the 80s Pink Floyd...The Wall/Division Bell Poison...Flesh And Blood/Hollyweird Queen...II / Live Killers Ratt...S/T ('99)/Infestation Skid Row...Thickskin/Subhuman Race Slayer....? (not a fan at all so wont rate this artist) Stryper..Fallen/Against The Law Wishbone Ash...(not familiar enough with this artist full catalog to make a choice) Yngwie Malmsteem...Rising Force/Inspirations (also the album he did with Ron Keels Steeler) | |
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Wurthless Metal is Forever
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| Subject: Re: Most overrated/underrated albums from major HR/HM icons Sun Jul 31, 2016 1:32 am | |
| Wishbone Ash doesn't have much of an overrated album (everything of theirs that is great is duly noted as such in most places I've seen), but they have two very very underrated ones: There's the Rub and Pilgrimage.
Sabbath's entire Tony Martin era is what I consider the most underrated, along with Never Say Die. That album isn't that weak, it's just different than the other Ozzy-era stuff.
Priest's British Steel is overrated, their most underrated is likely Rocka Rolla.
Maiden's most underrated is obviously No Prayer for the Dying, along with the X Factor. Overrated, not because it's bad but because it's not their best, is Number of the Beast.
Pink Floyd's most underrated album is probably Animals, it seems to only be recognized amongst either die-hards or prog-fans. Though they have many buried gems that most don't know about, like Obscured by Clouds and the Soundtrack to More. Their most overrated in my eyes is The Wall, even though it's a great album. Most people I run into are only familiar with Floyd through a couple tracks off of that one.
Also I don't think Dream Evil by Dio is overrated at all, it definitely should be mentioned in the same breath as Holy Diver and The Last In Line. His most underrated is probably Lock up the Wolves; it's not actually bad at all, despite the mostly negative opinions I see. If anything, Dio doesn't have anything overrated to his name. | |
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John Madden Metal graduate
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| Subject: Re: Most overrated/underrated albums from major HR/HM icons Sun Jul 31, 2016 8:37 am | |
| underrated/overrated
Death Angel-Act 3/The Ultra-Violence Megadeth-So Far/Rust Slayer-Show No Mercy/Seasons in the Abyss Nuclear Assault-Handle with Care/Survive Exodus-Bonded By Blood/Fabulous Disaster Kyuss- Blues for the Red Sun/....And the Circus Leaves Town Whiplash-Power and Pain/Insult to Injury
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80s Metal Lady Metal master
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| Subject: Re: Most overrated/underrated albums from major HR/HM icons Sun Jul 31, 2016 11:50 am | |
| Iron Maiden
Most overrated: Brave New World (I can see Number of the Beast, too)
Most underrated: Seventh Son of a Seventh Son
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Hadley Metal master
Number of posts : 992 Age : 45
| Subject: Re: Most overrated/underrated albums from major HR/HM icons Sun Jul 31, 2016 2:56 pm | |
| Overrated/Underrated AC/DC: Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap/Fly on the Wall Aerosmith: Self-titled/Nine Lives Alice Cooper: Welcome to my Nightmare/Raise Your Fist and Yell Black Sabbath: Sabotage/ Dehumanizer Dio: Strange Highways/Dream Evil Helloween: Walls of Jericho/Better than Raw Iron Maiden: Brave New World/Powerslave Judas Priest: Sin After Sin/Jugulator KiSS: Monster/Asylum Metallica: And Justice for All/Kill Em All Motley Crue: Dr Feelgood/Generation Swine Ozzy Osbourne: Diary of a Madman/Ultimate Sin Pantera: Cowboys from Hell/I Am the Night Poison: Open Up and Say Ahh/Native Tongue Ratt: Out of the Celllar/Dancin Undercover Slayer: Reign in Blood/Show No Mercy Stryper: Fallen/Murder By Pride
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80s Metal Lady Metal master
Number of posts : 896 Age : 50
| Subject: Re: Most overrated/underrated albums from major HR/HM icons Mon Aug 01, 2016 1:40 am | |
| Black Sabbath
Most overrated: Sabbath Bloody Sabbath Most underrated: Vol 4 (Dehumanizer, too) | |
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Addy Metal is in my blood
Number of posts : 4214 Age : 50
| Subject: Re: Most overrated/underrated albums from major HR/HM icons Mon Aug 01, 2016 7:47 am | |
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Pink Floyd
Nothing overrated about them | |
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ZombieHavoc Heart of Metal
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| Subject: Re: Most overrated/underrated albums from major HR/HM icons Mon Aug 01, 2016 10:48 am | |
| - 80s Metal Lady wrote:
- KISS
Most overrated: Destroyer Most underrated: Music From: The Elder
KISS Solo edition
Most overrated: Ace Frehley Most underrated: Gene Simmons I disagree on your overrateds, especially Ave...but the two underrated ones: -Elder, I have never understood the vehement dislike for that. I love it. -Gene' solo...man, I really despised it for so long, but recently I heard "Radioactive" and it prompted me to give the album a fresh listen. I did quite enjoy. Still some spots that are pretty bad, but overall, I now think it's pretty good. Not Ace good, but still a fun album. My pick for underrated KISS album would be Unmasked. It does get more praise now then it used to, it seems, but not as much as I feel it deserves. Possibly my favorite KISS album. | |
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ZombieHavoc Heart of Metal
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| Subject: Re: Most overrated/underrated albums from major HR/HM icons Mon Aug 01, 2016 10:52 am | |
| I'm not gonna do all the bands, but in addition to my KISS pick above:
Black Sabbath: -underrated: the Martin era, as said, and especially Forbidden. But also Technical Ecstasy from the Ozzy era....so good. -Overrated: I don't really think any are overrated...the ones that are loved and revered are deservedly so. I dislike some songs like "Planet Caravan" and "Changes", but small gripes in such a stellar catalog.
Alice Cooper: -underrated: 94% of his catalog is underrated, but I will go with Flush the Fashion. -overrated: As with Sabbath, I don't consider any of it overrated...the small amount that is highly revered is deservedly so. I guess I'd throw Welcome to My Nightmare in here. Even though I love it, it'd rank much lower on my list than on most people's, so I guess that counts. Still great though. | |
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Addy Metal is in my blood
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| Subject: Re: Most overrated/underrated albums from major HR/HM icons Mon Aug 01, 2016 4:28 pm | |
| Guns N Roses - Appetite overrated its a great album but most people know or like them for that, IMO underrated would be Spaghetti Incident yeah its covers but they did a awesome job on them.
Pink Floyd - The Wall Great album but as it was said most people are only familiar with that. Underrated would be IMO Meddle. Great album a pre cursor to Darkside. That or their first album Piper at the Gates of Dawn both these albums I love.
Stryper - Overrated IMO Fallen, Underrated Murder by Pride I didnt say any from the first 4 cuz while they might be overrated their awesome albums and classic.
Metallica - Overrated THe Black Album, Underrated Load. Most die hards hate this album but it has some good rifs and some good songwriting. Not being a Metallica fan I love this album.
Megadeth - Overrated Rust in Peace GREAT album!!!! Underrated: I want to say either United Abominations or Countdown to Extinction
Aerosmith - Overrated Pump Underrated: Draw the Line | |
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Boris2008 Metal is Forever
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| Subject: Re: Most overrated/underrated albums from major HR/HM icons Mon Aug 01, 2016 7:34 pm | |
| I only did the ones that I'm in any way qualified to talk about
AC/DC - Black Ice/Powerage Black Sabbath Live Evil/Technical Ecstasy Deep Purple In Rock/The Book of Taliesin Dio Sacred Heart/Strange Highways Guns & Roses Use Your Illusion 2/The Spaghetti Incident Helloween Keeper of the Seven Keys 2/Walls of Jericho Iron Maiden Powerslave/Killers Judas Priest Painkiller/British Steel Metallica Death Magnetic/Load Ozzy Osbourne Bark at the Moon/The Ultimate Sin Pink Floyd The Wall/Piper at the Gates of Dawn Queen The Works/Inunendo Slayer Repentless/Hell Awaits | |
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80s Metal Lady Metal master
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| Subject: Re: Most overrated/underrated albums from major HR/HM icons Tue Aug 02, 2016 1:06 am | |
| - ZombieHavoc wrote:
My pick for underrated KISS album would be Unmasked. It does get more praise now then it used to, it seems, but not as much as I feel it deserves. Possibly my favorite KISS album. It's a refreshing change of pace in the KISS discography. Some songs I used to love, though, I don't like much now. "Talk To Me" and "Torpedo Girl" just go on and on, and, now that I'm older, "She's So European" doesn't have the same appeal. Just seems kind of stupid, lol. I do really like "Is That You" and "Easy As It Seems" now whereas I didn't care for them much back in the day, so it evens out. Always loved "Shandi" and "Naked City." | |
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Addy Metal is in my blood
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| Subject: Re: Most overrated/underrated albums from major HR/HM icons Tue Aug 02, 2016 7:46 am | |
| - Boris2008 wrote:
- I only did the ones that I'm in any way qualified to talk about
AC/DC - Black Ice/Powerage Black Sabbath Live Evil/Technical Ecstasy Deep Purple In Rock/The Book of Taliesin Dio Sacred Heart/Strange Highways Guns & Roses Use Your Illusion 2/The Spaghetti Incident Helloween Keeper of the Seven Keys 2/Walls of Jericho Iron Maiden Powerslave/Killers Judas Priest Painkiller/British Steel Metallica Death Magnetic/Load Ozzy Osbourne Bark at the Moon/The Ultimate Sin Pink Floyd The Wall/Piper at the Gates of Dawn Queen The Works/Inunendo Slayer Repentless/Hell Awaits Cool we agree about Floyd and mostly on GNR | |
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ZombieHavoc Heart of Metal
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| Subject: Re: Most overrated/underrated albums from major HR/HM icons Tue Aug 02, 2016 9:17 am | |
| - 80s Metal Lady wrote:
- ZombieHavoc wrote:
My pick for underrated KISS album would be Unmasked. It does get more praise now then it used to, it seems, but not as much as I feel it deserves. Possibly my favorite KISS album. It's a refreshing change of pace in the KISS discography. Some songs I used to love, though, I don't like much now. "Talk To Me" and "Torpedo Girl" just go on and on, and, now that I'm older, "She's So European" doesn't have the same appeal. Just seems kind of stupid, lol. I do really like "Is That You" and "Easy As It Seems" now whereas I didn't care for them much back in the day, so it evens out. Always loved "Shandi" and "Naked City." Along with "Tomorrow", "Talk to Me" and "Torpedo Girl" are my faves from the album. I just love Ace and pretty much anything he does--as far as I'm concerned he was the best part of KISS. I agree on "She's So European"...I'd probably rank that as my least favorite track. On with the KISS theme, one record I do think is overrated is Carnival of Souls. Aside from the Criss solo album, it is the only KISS album without a single redeeming song for me...I don't get why so many people like it. And conversely, I really like Psycho Circus, so I've never really understood why people didn't dig on that, especially when they dig on Carnival. | |
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Lari Metal is Forever
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| Subject: Re: Most overrated/underrated albums from major HR/HM icons Tue Aug 02, 2016 11:14 am | |
| Overrated feels easier to define.
Underrated is a bit tricker, because on one hand you have well-known albums that received criticism and/or a bad reception from fans. And on the other, you have albums that flew completely under the radar. Like Tony Martin Sabbath. It isn't necessarily "underrated", it's just that it's mostly un-rated completely. Can you say Headless Cross is underrated when almost everyone who has heard it says they like it? So there's two ways to go about it.
I'll try a few easy ones:
DIO
Underrated: Dream Evil. Somehow the first 2 or 3 get all the glory, but this is a classic sounding Dio album, on par with Holy Diver & Last in Line.
Overrated: Sacred Heart. Gets lumped in with the classic era albums (and somehow even gets rated higher than Dream Evil), yet the band went on to make several better albums later on.
HELLOWEEN
Underrated: Gambling with the Devil. Basically most of the recent Helloween albums are underrated. I'll pick this because it's the best.
Overrated: The highest rated and most beloved Helloween albums are the first three. But those are all incredible, so I can't go there. I could say Chameleon, because I've heard people defend it. It's not worth defending, so does that make it overrated? But I'm going to go The Dark Ride. Somehow out of all the Deris -era albums some people pick THIS as their best. I don't know why, maybe it's the black cover? It's got its highlights, it's definitely better than Keeper Legacy (at least no-one ever picks that as their favourite) but it doesn't compare to Time of the Oath, Better than Raw or Rabbit Don't Come Easy, for instance, to name a few contemporaries. If you like it becasue it's "dark", well, all of the last 4 Helloween albums have been darker, heavier and harder than the Dark Ride. That's just my opinion. I still like the Dark Ride, I just find it a little overrated among Helloween fans. I remember I was disappointed when I first heard it. I thought I got over it, but then it came back again.
BLACK SABBATH
Overrated: Sabotage. This album generally gets included in the classic awesome Ozzy-era Sabbath, and people genuinely seem to like it a lot. But it really doesn't compare AS WELL as it's made out to compare. I think the first 5 are the true pinnacle of Ozzy era Sabbath, and this one is a clear step down. Obviously Sabotage is a better album than the two that followed it, but that's not the topic here.
Underrated: Tony Martin. "Who?"
IRON MAIDEN
Overrated: Seventh Son. Probably a top 5 Maiden album. But it's not the prog metal masterpiece some make it out to be...
Underrated: The X-Factor. If you can't see past Blaze, and the change in overall direction, you're missing out. Obviously it's subjective though. Not everyone likes this kind of music. I love it.
JUDAS PRIEST
Overrated: Screaming for Vengeance. Defenders of the Faith is just better. Very similar, only one is better. Yet the other one gets all the glory.
Underrated: Maybe Jugulator? Super heavy and... catchy. Maybe a little juvenile, but it's memorable.
METALLICA
Overrated: Anything they recorded in the 80's. I'm not a massive fan, but I own all these records and enjoy them alright. But that's about it. They are all overrated. If I had to pick one, it'd be And Justice for All. It has its moments, it's good, but that's just not a great album.
Underrated: I haven't actually heard any of the albums most people bash (Lulu, St.Anger, Re-Load etc). I guess I'll just pick Kill'Em All because a lot of Metallica fans don't have it as their #1. It's my favourite by them.
I can't do more. There's too many bands. Okay, one more:
LED ZEPPELIN
Overrated: Led Zep IV. Stairway to Heaven, yup. Really doesn't do much for me anymore. And even if I agree it's a cool song, it doesn't make this album their best.
Underrated: Physical Graffiti. Their best. Enough heavy hitters mixed with deep cuts that need repeated listens. Plus, I like long albums. And somehow the way it's not numbered like their first four makes it a little less sexy for newbies. | |
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Addy Metal is in my blood
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| Subject: Re: Most overrated/underrated albums from major HR/HM icons Tue Aug 02, 2016 1:54 pm | |
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- Overrated: Anything they recorded in the 80's. I'm not a massive fan, but I own all these records and enjoy them alright. But that's about it. They are all overrated. If I had to pick one, it'd be And Justice for All. It has its moments, it's good, but that's just not a great album.
Underrated: I haven't actually heard any of the albums most people bash (Lulu, St.Anger, Re-Load etc). I guess I'll just pick Kill'Em All because a lot of Metallica fans don't have it as their #1. It's my favourite by them. How can one album be both? Im not a massive fan either. | |
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80s Metal Lady Metal master
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| Subject: Re: Most overrated/underrated albums from major HR/HM icons Tue Aug 02, 2016 2:44 pm | |
| - Addy wrote:
How can one album be both? I guess it depends on the feedback you hear or read about re: certain albums. For example, I didn't think Seventh Son of a Seventh Son was well received or remembered; so, to me, it is underrated. Someone here posted it was their most overrated. I would say Dio's Dream Evil is underrated, but I see it in both categories in this thread. | |
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