I have a very real and honest question about an issue...please no fighting!!

I'll admit to some level of ignorance, so I'm asking earnestly:

What are we supposed to do with all the people trying to come to the USA?

Republicans/the Right - What are we supposed to do?

Democrats/the Left - What are we supposed to do?


Hundreds of thousands are already here, more coming...

What do we do?

Solutions?


The problem is already here. I'm not talking about cause. That's done. What now?

PLEASE NO FIGHTING!!! Just solutions/answers/thoughtful responses.

My Mod Friends - could you help keep a tight reign on this one? I've been coming to the HoM for well over a decade and I respect the eff out of the folks here. I know we are diverse enough in our metal brotherhood to have diverse thoughts/answers/opinions...and I want to hear them all.

I say stop all entry until we can come up with a solution. The ones that are here already should be investigated to see what kind of people they are. If they have criminal records from their home country, then they need to be deported. If they have family here, and they have no criminal records here, or elsewhere, then it's up to them if they stay or go with the criminal. No more free rides either. Giving them housing and medical benefits, food stamps etc, needs to stop, until they become citizens.

We also need to declare English as the nation's language, and stop catering to Spanish speaking people. If they can't speak English (to a degree) they shouldn't be allowed to work. Where I live, just about every job I see online it says "Spanish speaking a plus" under requirements. It's not legally required, but it hurts your chances of getting a job. They won't admit to it, because it's a lawsuit, but it happens.

Companies that hire illegal immigrants, should be heavily fined the first time they are caught, then shut down on the next offense.

The Wall is the biggest waste of money and time I've ever heard of. It might slow it down briefly, but eventually they'll climb over it, or go under it. Can't walk off the ocean, so what's to stop them coming over like Cubans do?

Solutions? No clue, but if they cut off the freebies, and started coming down harder on these people, maybe it would slow things down enough to where we can get a handle on things.

Or the other solution is have a one world government with open borders for everyone. Competition, national pride, and people living in the past would never accept that though.

It’s dangerous and irresponsible to let a lot of people in the country without background checks. In this day and age of terrorism, you need to be smart and forget political correctness.

Wrecked Neck wrote:

Or the other solution is have a one world government with open borders for everyone. Competition, national pride, and people living in the past would never accept that though.

No thanks!

Fuck the NWO!

I'm all for legal immigration, without border you don't really have a country. States are giving people here illegally free healthcare, housing, letting them get drivers licenses etc. What's the motivation to follow the law when this is happening?

Oy! Scotty, why you gotta bring this into our happy little metal bubble?
I come here to get AWAY from discussions like these!!

That's why I asked for a genteel discussion.

I just want insight from all corners. I've always been impressed with the diverse minds/thoughts that come here.

Kill it if you need to.

scottmitchell74 wrote:

That's why I asked for a genteel discussion.

I just want insight from all corners. I've always been impressed with the diverse minds/thoughts that come here.

Kill it if you need to.

Nah, it's cool. Y'all go nuts. I simply choose to remain un-involved.

I have to say that I don't think either side of the government gives a shit about the best interests of any of those people. The left wants them for a voting bloc. The right wants to use them for cheap labor. The illegals are being used as political tools whether they realize it or not.

Sword - that may be true...

I'm wondering/looking for insight on what do we do now? They're here now. Now what?

What's the answer that is both humane but keeps the interest of the US Public in mind?

There is no solution without someone being seen as a villain.

Troublezone wrote:

Wrecked Neck wrote:

Or the other solution is have a one world government with open borders for everyone. Competition, national pride, and people living in the past would never accept that though.

No thanks!

Fuck the NWO!

It's inevitable eventually if we want to advance as a race. I'm not saying we need the one world government of becoming a slave planet controlled by some tyrant. But if we want to one day move out beyond this planet and expand to the solar system, and one day to other systems, then we are going to have to figure out a way to stop identifying as an America, or Russian, and start calling ourselves humans. Best way to do that is develop a one world government.

Wrecked Neck wrote:

Troublezone wrote:

Wrecked Neck wrote:

Or the other solution is have a one world government with open borders for everyone. Competition, national pride, and people living in the past would never accept that though.

No thanks!

Fuck the NWO!

It's inevitable eventually if we want to advance as a race. I'm not saying we need the one world government of becoming a slave planet controlled by some tyrant. But if we want to one day move out beyond this planet and expand to the solar system, and one day to other systems, then we are going to have to figure out a way to stop identifying as an America, or Russian, and start calling ourselves humans. Best way to do that is develop a one world government.

That whole concept is doomed. It’s a police state dystopia. Do you want to be microchipped like a dog? And whether you like it or not, there will be a tyrannical “president of the world” situation.

Troublezone wrote:

Wrecked Neck wrote:

Troublezone wrote:

Wrecked Neck wrote:

Or the other solution is have a one world government with open borders for everyone. Competition, national pride, and people living in the past would never accept that though.

No thanks!

Fuck the NWO!

It's inevitable eventually if we want to advance as a race. I'm not saying we need the one world government of becoming a slave planet controlled by some tyrant. But if we want to one day move out beyond this planet and expand to the solar system, and one day to other systems, then we are going to have to figure out a way to stop identifying as an America, or Russian, and start calling ourselves humans. Best way to do that is develop a one world government.

That whole concept is doomed. It’s a police state dystopia. Do you want to microchiped like a dog? And whether you like it or not, there will be a tyrannical “president of the world” situation.

I know that, but until that day comes, I like to think that somehow we can avoid that and become the world of peace I envision.

Far as being microchipped goes, it's too late to think you'll avoid that.our credit cards are chipped. Our phones track everything we do. They've made tracking devices so small you can inhale them and not even know it. Our tv's watch and listen to us. Only thing they haven't done get is force a cashless society on us, but it's coming. Hopefully I'll be dead before that day comes.

Wrecked Neck wrote:

Troublezone wrote:

Wrecked Neck wrote:

Troublezone wrote:

Wrecked Neck wrote:

Or the other solution is have a one world government with open borders for everyone. Competition, national pride, and people living in the past would never accept that though.

No thanks!

Fuck the NWO!

It's inevitable eventually if we want to advance as a race. I'm not saying we need the one world government of becoming a slave planet controlled by some tyrant. But if we want to one day move out beyond this planet and expand to the solar system, and one day to other systems, then we are going to have to figure out a way to stop identifying as an America, or Russian, and start calling ourselves humans. Best way to do that is develop a one world government.

That whole concept is doomed. It’s a police state dystopia. Do you want to microchiped like a dog? And whether you like it or not, there will be a tyrannical “president of the world” situation.

I know that, but until that day comes, I like to think that somehow we can avoid that and become the world of peace I envision.

Far as being microchipped goes, it's too late to think you'll avoid that.our credit cards are chipped. Our phones track everything we do. They've made tracking devices so small you can inhale them and not even know it. Our tv's watch and listen to us. Only thing they haven't done get is force a cashless society on us, but it's coming. Hopefully I'll be dead before that day comes.

Of coarse I know they track the cell phones and everything etc...
I just don’t like the cyborg and implant stuff. Just like you, I would prefer not to be around when the world is like that.

It's...complicated.

There, that's my rock-solid answer; now close this fucker and let's get some sleep.

There is no realistic answer for this, so I wouldn’t mind if this thread closed.

I pretty much agree with Wrecked Necks first post.
We can’t take care of our homeless over here so cut all benefits to these illegals. We should worry about our citizens first. If you want to help these people in other countries you have to help them where they’re at.Our system can’t handle the load for millions of new people every year.

Thrasher73 wrote:

I pretty much agree with Wrecked Necks first post.
We can’t take care of our homeless over here so cut all benefits to these illegals. We should worry about our citizens first. If you want to help these people in other countries you have to help them where they’re at.Our system can’t handle the load for millions of new people every year.

The American government won’t even take care of its Vets. There are so many homeless veterans. They put their lives on the line for this country and they’re basically forsaken. But illegals and immigrants get benefits and housing?

I don't have an answer to the actual question.

But I do believe at this point the first step to solving any of the issues going on right now is for somehow everyone on each side to stop automatically assuming the other side is acting in bad faith. Which I will be the first to admit is tough and I am as guilty as anyone of this.

Probably the first mistake is watching a political conversation ravel on the internet, but it'd be fun if in 2019 you could see two people discussing a topic without each person immediately determining that the other person is a traitor that hates America.

ZombieHavoc wrote:

But I do believe at this point the first step to solving any of the issues going on right now is for somehow everyone on each side to stop automatically assuming the other side is acting in bad faith. .

That's the winner of the internet for the Summer of 2019. If this happened we'd solve everything. In other words, it'll never happen, but I appreciate and agree with the sentiment.

The real problem is global over-population. So, does it really matter where the humans are concentrated? Let them all come and get a few years of peace away from whatever tyranny they are facing. The Earth's resources will be depleted before too long anyway.

Troublezone wrote:

Thrasher73 wrote:

I pretty much agree with Wrecked Necks first post.
We can’t take care of our homeless over here so cut all benefits to these illegals. We should worry about our citizens first. If you want to help these people in other countries you have to help them where they’re at.Our system can’t handle the load for millions of new people every year.

The American government won’t even take care of its Vets. There are so many homeless veterans. They put their lives on the line for this country and they’re basically forsaken. But illegals and immigrants get benefits and housing?

Exactly! It’s a shame the way vets are treated. These people fight so we can be free then they’re kicked to the gutter. It’s sad!

first off close the border... Im not sure a wall would fix the problem.. maybe slow the problem until they figure out a way around it. I kinda think we need to stop them before they get here. The best way to do that is to help mexico stop them and maybe we pour money into the countries they come from in the form of arming the citizens and help them take back their own countries...and where is the UN and the allies....maybe they should help also...Doesn't the pact say we all help each other...The USA has helped the allies for years and now its their turn to help us, not only with those coming here but with those already here. Lets deport those that need to be deported right away and see if any other country will take some of them. I do agree we need to create a better situation in the holding centers. I get tired of hearing about what the past presidents did or didn't do because all that matters is right now...