Dio lives.

Ohhhh, messing with the sacred cows now. Though I agree with you.

You know, no matter how great a current band is there is almost a 0% chance that I will choose them over another group that originated the sound.  

Example:

There must be a million doom/stoner bands out there, many of them very good...would I ever rank any of them over Black Sabbath?  Not a chance. Sabbath did it first and all the other bands are still basing large parts of their sound on what Sabbath did in 1970.  That makes Sabbath untouchable as far as I'm concerned.

Weird when there's discussions which boil down to music as superior/inferior aural wallpaper VS music which is songwriting that moves a person or not...

If the music is better and connects to you more that's what you should go by. Just bcuz Sabbath did it first doesn't mean they're better. I've never liked comparing bands like a competition as I think all musicians are equal in their own sense.

When I say others are better, it's just my opinion that the bands I like regardless of who they are compared to, hit me harder than some others.

I'm not talking about competition, what I am talking about is if an artist is an originator (like Black Sabbath) and bands are still copying their sound 40 years later...that makes them infinitely MORE IMPORTANT than any of the bands that followed. I'm not sure why that is such a hard concept to understand.

MetalRob331 wrote:

Boris2008 wrote:

The other thing that RJD has is a shred of originality.  

No wonder S.D calls you names.

So what you're saying is that singers have originality?     I'm pretty sure that Diego didn't wake up one day and say "I wanna sound like Dio." That's his voice/tone.. Tons of people sound like Dio, that makes them unoriginal?  

Really, you think that's just they way he sings naturally and any Dio similarity is purely coincidental? If there are tons of people who just naturally sound like Dio, why were there not tons of singers who sound like Dio before Dio? Because they have copied his style

It kind of works like this

Brett Kaiser singing as Brett Kaiser



Brett Kaiser impersonating Elvis



Same guy but in one clip he sounds (a bit) like Elvis. In the other, he doesn't. Singers are clever like that  

If you like this Diego guy, cool, so does eyesore, no probs. But don't go around and say that he's better than the originator or at least say it as an opinion rather than hiding behind technical mumbo jumbo about registers and such. If any of us cared about that I suppose that we would be House of Opera, we sure as shit wouldn't be listening to Ozzy, Mustaine or Hetfield!!

You say that you don't like comparing artist/bands but that's exactly what you did.  

Some misconceptions I'd like to point out here:

a. A singer is not limited to one timbre. As Boris pointed out, various styles can be achieved through mimicry. Dio's voice is easily imitated by something called 'space of resonance,' which is a slight adjustment of the soft palate. It isn't something he was born with. He formed it, much like what EVH did with the guitar.

b. Dio's vocal range is D2-D6. This is a total of four octaves, not unlike Freddie Mercury and Rob Halford. Dio's range is a baritone set, however, which accounts for his learned timbre.

c. No singer covers merely one register. A register merely implies location of sung notes over an octave set. All singers have a low, middle, and high register. Looking at Dio's four-octave range, it's obvious he uses every available register. On Magica he suspends a lower tone, with Rainbow he was more middle, and with Sabbath and also live he constantly went with his higher voicings (good example: Mob Rules). So to say he has a narrow register is erroneous.

d. You can call it being unoriginal to copy someone else's vocal style, or you can call it inspired. Look at Eddie Vedder. Everyone and their dad started imitating his style after that first record came out, and you rarely if never heard before. Diego is surely copying Dio's style (see point a) and that's fine, he's both inspired and influenced by the godfather of metal (or is he the prince? I keep forgetting).

My opinion? I don't know enough about Diego to formulate one. Perhaps he is better than Dio, although any male with a range greater than four octaves should be getting more mainstream attention, because that's a rare gift. Does he deserve more respect than Dio? Obviously absolutely not. That's like saying the apostle Paul deserves more respect than Jesus Christ.

Here's a good question: what would Diego say?

Boris2008 wrote:

MetalRob331 wrote:

Boris2008 wrote:

The other thing that RJD has is a shred of originality.  

No wonder S.D calls you names.

So what you're saying is that singers have originality?     I'm pretty sure that Diego didn't wake up one day and say "I wanna sound like Dio." That's his voice/tone.. Tons of people sound like Dio, that makes them unoriginal?  

Really, you think that's just they way he sings naturally and any Dio similarity is purely coincidental? If there are tons of people who just naturally sound like Dio, why were there not tons of singers who sound like Dio before Dio? Because they have copied his style

It kind of works like this

Brett Kaiser singing as Brett Kaiser



Brett Kaiser impersonating Elvis



Same guy but in one clip he sounds (a bit) like Elvis. In the other, he doesn't. Singers are clever like that  

If you like this Diego guy, cool, so does eyesore, no probs. But don't go around and say that he's better than the originator or at least say it as an opinion rather than hiding behind technical mumbo jumbo about registers and such. If any of us cared about that I suppose that we would be House of Opera, we sure as shit wouldn't be listening to Ozzy, Mustaine or Hetfield!!

You say that you don't like comparing artist/bands but that's exactly what you did.  

I take it you didnt read my last post    

We just have another case of "Dio did it first, therefore he's the best."  

Boris2008 wrote:

MetalRob331 wrote:

Boris2008 wrote:

The other thing that RJD has is a shred of originality.  

No wonder S.D calls you names.

So what you're saying is that singers have originality?     I'm pretty sure that Diego didn't wake up one day and say "I wanna sound like Dio." That's his voice/tone.. Tons of people sound like Dio, that makes them unoriginal?  

Really, you think that's just they way he sings naturally and any Dio similarity is purely coincidental? If there are tons of people who just naturally sound like Dio, why were there not tons of singers who sound like Dio before Dio? Because they have copied his style

It kind of works like this

Brett Kaiser singing as Brett Kaiser



Brett Kaiser impersonating Elvis



Same guy but in one clip he sounds (a bit) like Elvis. In the other, he doesn't. Singers are clever like that  

If you like this Diego guy, cool, so does eyesore, no probs. But don't go around and say that he's better than the originator or at least say it as an opinion rather than hiding behind technical mumbo jumbo about registers and such. If any of us cared about that I suppose that we would be House of Opera, we sure as shit wouldn't be listening to Ozzy, Mustaine or Hetfield!!

You say that you don't like comparing artist/bands but that's exactly what you did.  

Good post

Confused as to point of thread now tbh

Here's some red velvet pancakes

corplhicks wrote:

Here's a good question: what would Diego say?

Luckily, we don't have to wonder about that. Here's an excerpt from an interview Diego did in February for Focus on Metal:

Focus on Metal: ...probably the most impressive thing on this album has got to be your vocals.

Diego: Oh, man, thank you. Thanks a lot.

Focus on Metal: And the next thing I'll say will be... and this is, for me to say this is probably big, but the first thing I thought of when I heard your voice on these songs is Ronnie James Dio.

Diego: All right, yeah. *laughs* It's, you know, I'm very... it's a strange feeling, you know, because I love and respect so much Ronnie James, and I know this is a compliment, because it is, but sometimes... so many people told me that, you know, "you sound exactly like Dio" and stuff. It's, it's weird. because I know that I have the influence but some people get extreme, you know, "you ARE like a reincarnation of Dio!"... and I think that I must be born twice or three times to get his level so... *laughs*


Source: Episode 119 - Focus on Helker (the part in question comes in at about 13:40).

evermoving wrote:

corplhicks wrote:

Here's a good question: what would Diego say?

Luckily, we don't have to wonder about that. Here's an excerpt from an interview Diego did in February for Focus on Metal:

Focus on Metal: ...probably the most impressive thing on this album has got to be your vocals.

Diego: Oh, man, thank you. Thanks a lot.

Focus on Metal: And the next thing I'll say will be... and this is, for me to say this is probably big, but the first thing I thought of when I heard your voice on these songs is Ronnie James Dio.

Diego: All right, yeah. *laughs* It's, you know, I'm very... it's a strange feeling, you know, because I love and respect so much Ronnie James, and I know this is a compliment, because it is, but sometimes... so many people told me that, you know, "you sound exactly like Dio" and stuff. It's, it's weird. because I know that I have the influence but some people get extreme, you know, "you ARE like a reincarnation of Dio!"... and I think that I must be born twice or three times to get his level so... *laughs*


Source: Episode 119 - Focus on Helker (the part in question comes in at about 13:40).

Good find, says it all.

And OCI those cakes were delicious. Thank you.