Def Leppard To Re-Record the Hits

Eyesore wrote:

thejokeriv wrote:

Eyesore wrote:

Um...he played real drums on Pyromania. He had two arms then.

He did use real drums, but accroding to interview I read, it was the same deal - recorded against a click track, played one drum at a time on multiple passes..... ti was a Mutt Lange thing

That's not even sensible. If true, why the hell would a producer even do that?

Mixing...being able to adjust the volume of/pan each drum and cymbal individually.

My whole point is that Joe says they want to make "100% forgeries" of the originals and not make any noticble changes.

Is that even possible to re-create some of the techniques used 30 years ago? Or would you really want to? It just seems silly to me to make that kind of statement. You can't re-create the past.

Shawn Of Fire wrote:

Eyesore wrote:

thejokeriv wrote:

Eyesore wrote:

Um...he played real drums on Pyromania. He had two arms then.

He did use real drums, but accroding to interview I read, it was the same deal - recorded against a click track, played one drum at a time on multiple passes..... ti was a Mutt Lange thing

That's not even sensible. If true, why the hell would a producer even do that?

Mixing...being able to adjust the volume of/pan each drum and cymbal individually.

Good point but it still strikes me as insanity, you get a chance watch the Classic Albums the making of Hysteria, very interesting how those songs were put together, and how much piecing together was done with the multiple layer of guitars, vocals, and drums

manny wrote:

Shawn Of Fire wrote:

Eyesore wrote:

thejokeriv wrote:

Eyesore wrote:

Um...he played real drums on Pyromania. He had two arms then.

He did use real drums, but accroding to interview I read, it was the same deal - recorded against a click track, played one drum at a time on multiple passes..... ti was a Mutt Lange thing

That's not even sensible. If true, why the hell would a producer even do that?

Mixing...being able to adjust the volume of/pan each drum and cymbal individually.

Good point but it still strikes me as insanity, you get a chance watch the Classic Albums the making of Hysteria, very interesting how those songs were put together, and how much piecing together was done with the multiple layer of guitars, vocals, and drums

Right. It's not sensible! Haha. Sounds like an epic pain in the ass. I realize Rick was never the most complex drummer, but it still seems like a whole lot of unnecessary work.

Speaking of producers, does any of the material that band had worked on with Jim Steinmen ever surfaced anywhere?

manny wrote:

Speaking of producers, does any of the material that band had worked on with Jim Steinmen ever surfaced anywhere?

I thought that some of it ended up on Retroactive

manny wrote:

Speaking of producers, does any of the material that band had worked on with Jim Steinmen ever surfaced anywhere?

Not that I'm aware of. Not sure any ended up on Retro Active, either. But I do know "Desert Song" and "Fractured Love" were from the Hysteria sessions but never finished at the time, so maybe those are from the Steinmen sessions. They're definitely different from the stuff on Hysteria. Two of their best songs, in my opinion. "Fracture Love" is in my top 5 Lep tunes.

Eyesore wrote:

manny wrote:

Speaking of producers, does any of the material that band had worked on with Jim Steinmen ever surfaced anywhere?

Not that I'm aware of. Not sure any ended up on Retro Active, either. But I do know "Desert Song" and "Fractured Love" were from the Hysteria sessions but never finished at the time, so maybe those are from the Steinmen sessions. They're definitely different from the stuff on Hysteria. Two of their best songs, in my opinion. "Fracture Love" is in my top 5 Lep tunes.

I thought those were the two they started with Steinmen before they fired him and then continued working on by themselves. Fractured Love is a GREAT song!!!!!

thejokeriv wrote:

Eyesore wrote:

manny wrote:

Speaking of producers, does any of the material that band had worked on with Jim Steinmen ever surfaced anywhere?

Not that I'm aware of. Not sure any ended up on Retro Active, either. But I do know "Desert Song" and "Fractured Love" were from the Hysteria sessions but never finished at the time, so maybe those are from the Steinmen sessions. They're definitely different from the stuff on Hysteria. Two of their best songs, in my opinion. "Fracture Love" is in my top 5 Lep tunes.

I thought those were the two they started with Steinmen before they fired him and then continued working on by themselves. Fractured Love is a GREAT song!!!!!

They might be. If so, it makes you wonder what other great tunes they abandoned. I know Steinmen wanted to do a more raw, old-school rock record and they wanted to go more toward the Lange style. Obviously that worked out great for them, but there might be a lot of gems in the vault.

I'd love to see some of the early demo get official releases.



Love that song!

manny wrote:

Addy wrote:

I really dislike this practice that bands have been taking in re-recording stuff. Alot of the fans fell in love with the songs as they were done originally. I guess this practice is to try to get new fans or something or make money I find the practice to be lame city

I am with you on this one, I hate the trend of re-recording your classics, but from a business stand point, I understand it, its their songs and if they wish to license it to movies, why should they cut in anyone else such as the label etc.

I understand why they do it too i just dont like it For me I lost most interest in Def Leppard after Adrenelize. And one point I want to make is that Without Steve Clark (RIP) the songs they re-record with him in it are going to sound a bit different because Steve's not shredding that Axe

Shawn Of Fire wrote:

Mixing...being able to adjust the volume of/pan each drum and cymbal individually.

What? You can do the same thing having the drummer play the kit normally. Generally by the time you got to the 80s the common thing was to have a mic on every single drum, plus a hi-hat mic and overhead stereo mics to capture the cymbals. That allows you to put different effects on each drum, pan and adjust volume.

In reality though, the best sounding drum recordings (in my opinion) use a kick drum mic, a snare mic and 2 overheads. All you need is 4 mics expertly placed and a great room to get a killer drum sound.

I can't see how Mutt Lange was able to capture any kind of feel recording every drum separately, that's just f*cking stupid.

If anyone cares, Def Leppard just released a new version of "Hysteria."

They're also playing "Good Morning Freedom" at this Vegas thing, which is pretty surprising.



I've always loved this song.

And this is kind of neat:



This song has been discussed over and over again for decades now and no audio ever turned up. Until now. Or December. Prior to this, it was only a rumor.

Still not sure if it's an original or cover, though.

Do you have Good Morning Freedom? I think it's only been released as a B side though i'm sure it's out there to download now.
Long Way From Home sounds like it's being played through an AM transistor radio.

Dark Horseman wrote:

Do you have Good Morning Freedom? I think it's only been released as a B side though i'm sure it's out there to download now.
Long Way From Home sounds like it's being played through an AM transistor radio.

I have the song, not the "Hello America" single it's from. And "Long Way from Home" was played live one time, just like the song "Medicine Man," which later became "Rock! Rock! (Till You Drop)." I think at the same show, actually. Both at the Reading Festival, anyway.

Eyesore wrote:

If anyone cares, Def Leppard just released a new version of "Hysteria."

They're also playing "Good Morning Freedom" at this Vegas thing, which is pretty surprising.



I've always loved this song.

They also played Wasted live, and not one, not two, but FOUR songs off of High 'N' Dry. I am surprised they'd represent that era of the band as much as they did live nowadays.

For the longest time, it's been nothing off of the first album, and MAYBE "Bringin' on the Heartbreak" off of High 'N' Dry. It's weird they actually decided to play songs off of those albums again.

And hey, DL isn't metal.

Saxon did this and I bought it. Not even close to the glory that are the originals. But, like Ken, ya support your favorite artists and hope they grab some new fans with the production value that re-recording brings.

Eyesore wrote:

If anyone cares, Def Leppard just released a new version of "Hysteria."

They're also playing "Good Morning Freedom" at this Vegas thing, which is pretty surprising.



I've always loved this song.

Cool track! Never heard it before.

Wouldn't it just make sense to buy the tapes and/or rights from the record company. There is no way to create a 100% forgery 30 years later. It's not even the same lineup and the drummer doesn't have the same abilities. Not a good idea. They need to call up Sharon Osbourne and get some tips on how to get control of their catalog.

journeyman wrote:

They need to call up Sharon Osbourne and get some tips on how to get control of their catalog.

No offense [maybe a little actually], but that is a complete dick-statement. Sharon Osbourne has done nothing for the Ozzy legacy other than line her own pockets. The re-issues that she PW'd outta the labels to screw Kerslake/Daisley over are, in my mind, the Ultimate Sin. I have absolutely NO RESPECT for Trujillo or Bordin [previously two of my favs] for "getting into line" on that cashgrab either.

UNCLE SAXON'S KICKASS CDS wrote:

journeyman wrote:

They need to call up Sharon Osbourne and get some tips on how to get control of their catalog.

No offense [maybe a little actually], but that is a complete dick-statement. Sharon Osbourne has done nothing for the Ozzy legacy other than line her own pockets. The re-issues that she PW'd outta the labels to screw Kerslake/Daisley over are, in my mind, the Ultimate Sin. I have absolutely NO RESPECT for Trujillo or Bordin [previously two of my favs] for "getting into line" on that cashgrab either.

Completely not what I meant. I totally disagree with re-recording the bass/drums on Ozzy's first two solo albums. Not my intention at all to even imply that either. I know from a business prospective Sharon has been rather successful in getting/keeping control of Ozzy's music and that maybe looking for some ideas on how to get their music back would be a better alternative to re-recording. I don't like or condone many of Sharon's actions. Anyway, wouldn't re-recording their (Def Leppard) albums have the same effect on past members and/or their estates. Ozzy really blew it by allowing the substitutions and can't claim ignorance because he listened to the mastered product(s) and was aware of the re-recordings. It's pretty clear that Def Leppard is willing to tread on Hollowed ground not because the tapes were destroyed, damaged or lost, but because they made a foolish deal back in their youth and instead of correcting it when they had the power of commercial success behind them they are going to the table with little bargaining power.

Didn't mean to offend, I wasn't looking at it that way, so yeah it was a bad statement. My thought process was that maybe Sharon could offer tips on increasing the bargaining power, that's all.

journeyman wrote:

Wouldn't it just make sense to buy the tapes and/or rights from the record company.

The record company has no desire to surrender their rights to a lucrative piece of property, they would simply ask for a ridiculous amount of money that nobody would pay. It's the way the game is played.

You want your masters back? Write us a check for $100 million dollars.

journeyman wrote:

Wouldn't it just make sense to buy the tapes and/or rights from the record company. There is no way to create a 100% forgery 30 years later. It's not even the same lineup and the drummer doesn't have the same abilities. Not a good idea. They need to call up Sharon Osbourne and get some tips on how to get control of their catalog.

Do you really think it's that easy? One of best-selling albums of all time, a perpetual money maker, and the label is just going to up and sell it? Not a chance in hell. Labels won't even sell back the rights to albums that have never been released by bands that have never put out another piece of music!

So yeah, this is a good idea. It's the best alternative they have.

Didn't Motley Crue buy back their masters ? They reissued the back catalog before "New Tattoo" on Motley Records and I don't see any mention of Elektra on them ? Just curious !