Wikipedia deletes Ultimatum!

Dang. That's pretty lame.

Gives me an an idea for your next t-shirt slogan though: "ULTIMATUM - WE'RE TOO METAL FOR WIKIPEDIA"

HA! Awesome!

Here's the clown who banned you, Scott.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Orangemike

He prides himself on being a pretentious dick, apparently.

Eyesore wrote:

htt

He prides himself on being a pretentious dick, apparently.

wonder what would happen if ya gave him a viagra ?


those longer than 4 hour erections are really pretentious if ya ask me

He looks like a Renaissance Faire reject. Ultimatum is a well known band in the Christian metal community.

(and i'm sure some secular sources are aware of them too)

Wikipedia, here's what i am going to do to you

Eyesore wrote:

Here's the clown who banned you, Scott.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Orangemike

He prides himself on being a pretentious dick, apparently.

Here's the root of the problem:

Quote :

I was born in 1953 in Jackson, Tennessee

I lived in Jackson, TN for 3 years. No wonder he's never heard of Ultimatum.

tohostudios wrote:

Eyesore wrote:

Here's the clown who banned you, Scott.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Orangemike

He prides himself on being a pretentious dick, apparently.

Here's the root of the problem:

Quote :

I was born in 1953 in Jackson, Tennessee

I lived in Jackson, TN for 3 years. No wonder he's never heard of Ultimatum.

does he have all his own teeth??

exact33 wrote:

tohostudios wrote:

Eyesore wrote:

Here's the clown who banned you, Scott.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Orangemike

He prides himself on being a pretentious dick, apparently.

Here's the root of the problem:

Quote :

I was born in 1953 in Jackson, Tennessee

I lived in Jackson, TN for 3 years. No wonder he's never heard of Ultimatum.

does he have all his own teeth??

I doubt it; some probably belong to his sister.

Hmmmm strange!

Wargod

Eyesore wrote:

Here's the clown who banned you, Scott.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Orangemike

He prides himself on being a pretentious dick, apparently.

So this is why he's called "Orange Mike?"

He looks like he should be on a Chain Gang, pickin' up litter on the side of the highway with other prisoners.

Or maybe a member of Slipknot, minus the mask...

tohostudios wrote:

Eyesore wrote:

Here's the clown who banned you, Scott.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Orangemike

He prides himself on being a pretentious dick, apparently.

Here's the root of the problem:

Quote :

I was born in 1953 in Jackson, Tennessee

I lived in Jackson, TN for 3 years. No wonder he's never heard of Ultimatum.

Like I said, facts don't matter to these turds. If they've not heard of it, it's not worthy.

Fat Freddy wrote:

Eyesore wrote:

Here's the clown who banned you, Scott.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Orangemike

He prides himself on being a pretentious dick, apparently.

So this is why he's called "Orange Mike?"

He looks like he should be on a Chain Gang, pickin' up litter on the side of the highway with other prisoners.

Or maybe a member of Slipknot, minus the mask...

He looks like he is saying "Hi, I'm a douche"

I think he looks like Jerry Garcia.

tohostudios wrote:

I think he looks like Jerry Garcia.

Meets George R.R. Martin.

I find it extremely ironic that at the same time there's articles which cite nolifetilmetal as a source!

I read this on your Facebook last night. Totally stupid. You have tons of information as proof yet he doesn't care. Can't you take it to someone else? And really if you think about it Wikipedia is almost like advertising everything thats on the site to begin with. Theres tons of information on movies even ones people never heard of should those be deleted too? Musicians, Actors etc.... If your on anything thats all considered advertising. The only difference is there isn't a link saying to purchase our album click here.

The guy is just being a dick plain and simple. Wikipedia is a place to get information about anything and everything. I actually use it a lot. I'm surprised sometimes on the things they do have as compared to things they don't have.

Phoenix Reign Drummer wrote:

I read this on your Facebook last night. Totally stupid. You have tons of information as proof yet he doesn't care. Can't you take it to someone else? And really if you think about it Wikipedia is almost like advertising everything thats on the site to begin with. Theres tons of information on movies even ones people never heard of should those be deleted too? Musicians, Actors etc.... If your on anything thats all considered advertising. The only difference is there isn't a link saying to purchase our album click here.

The guy is just being a dick plain and simple. Wikipedia is a place to get information about anything and everything. I actually use it a lot. I'm surprised sometimes on the things they do have as compared to things they don't have.

Exactly.

On another forum yesterday I read a posting someone made about how there's an entire wikipedia article on toilet paper orientation! What is the relevance of that compared to one of the most well known Christian Thrash Metal bands?

It's not a big secret that Wikipedia has an atheist/socialist slant to it. You can see it clearly in the way they discuss controversial topics.

Look at this guy's profile for a big red flag about the kind of guys who spend their time editing Wikipedia and what their outlook on the world is.

I find it ironic that these guys are deleting pages that they claim to be from a NPOV perspective, yet they appear to be burdening the wiki server with pages promoting themselves in bright uuuuuuuuugh attire.

The two responses made on the page to have articles put back up were denied because they said we had to contact the admin who deleted it first.

Someone made a very intelligent and well written reply to the administrator that deleted the article. His response was less than enthusiastic.

Restoration of article Ultimatum (American band)

• Ultimatum (American band) • ( talk | logs | links | watch | afd ) • [revisions]
  

Dear Mr. Ritzman,

I am writing to you because you deleted the article "Ultimatum
(American band), and I believe that deletion was not warranted. The
reason for the initial request was the there was "no notability and
seems like self advertising." As for seeming like self-advertising, that
again is a purely speculative judgment call. The poster has no evidence
that the page was self-promoting, only that it seems to be the case. I
have read numerous band biographies that have been written by fans, as a
I presume this article was, (including many on Wikipedia) and they all
sound like that. So to use that as a criterion for deleting the article
would mean that someone should review all similar articles and take the
same action. Let me be clear that I am not advocating that course. If
anything, this article and the ones like it should have been flagged for
a need to be edited to include less bias.

Now, in the debate that followed, these were the reasons given for deletion:

Delete - I'm not convinced the band meets criterion #5. It's the important indie labels, not just ones that have articles on Wikipedia. -- Whpq (talk) 15:11, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

Delete - Rowe Productions doesn't look like an important label. There's litle mention in Google news, books, scholar and images. Bigbird6 (talk) 00:20, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
Delete - Fails WP:MUSIC, agree with above editor regarding Rowe Productions. JoshyDinda (talk) 19:06, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

First, is there an established definition of "important indie
labels"? And isn't it reasonable to believe the fact that there IS a
Wikipedia article on a label is a statement by Wikipedia that the label
is important enough for its artists to be given the same consideration?
But moving on from the argument that Rowe Productions does not
constitute an "important" indie label, this is not the only label for
which Ultimatum recorded. It has also recorded for Retroactive Records,
which is perhaps the leading indie label for Christian metal.
Retroactive is or has been home to notable Christian metal giants like
Saint, Bride, and Deliverance. It has also re-released material by
Guardian, Titanic, and Daniel Band. There is no one with any knowledge
of the current state of Christian metal that should not be familiar with
Retroactive Records, and any talk of that not being an "important indie
label" would quite frankly be based in ignorance of the subject. In
addition to Rowe and Retroactive, Ultimatum has also recorded for Roxx
Records, which is not only a significant Christian metal indie label in
its own right (albums by Holy Soldier, Eternal Ryte, Crystavox, and the
all-star band Liberty N Justice), but is also a partner in Intense
Millennium Records, which has acquired the rights to most of the
Frontline/Intense/Alarma catalog and has been working on releasing
remastered versions of some of Christian metal and rock's classic albums
from the late 1980s and early 1990s. Roxx has also partnered with the
Christian Metal Realm, one of the leading Internet communities for
Christian metal fans, to create a two tribute albums for the bands
Deliverance and Saint (in process). Beyond these labels, Ultimatum has
also recorded for Massacre Records--home to artists like Saviour
Machine, Fates Warning, and King Diamond. I think that list speaks for
itself as to Massacre's legitimacy as an important indie label.

So, in summary, I believe that the deletion of the article "Ultimatum
(American band)" was not justified and that those who argued for its
removal (Basileias, Whpg, Bigbird6, and JoshyDinda) lacked the necessary
familiarity with the Christian metal scene and Ultimatum to make the
judgments they did. Further, it seems that the decision to delete was
based around an argument that Ultimatum does not meet one of the
criterion for determining "notability." The guidelines in WP:MUSIC
actually say "A musician or ensemble (note that this includes a band,
singer, rapper, orchestra, DJ, musical theatre group, etc.) may be
notable if it meets at least one of the following criteria," not that it
will be excluded if it fails to meet one. To that end, Ultimatum:

Has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works
appearing in sources that are reliable and are independent from the
musician or ensemble itself. --This would include HM Magazine and
Heaven's Metal, the leading periodicals for Christian metal. It was the
cover story for the March 2008 issue of Heaven's Metal

Has released two or more albums on a major label or on one of the
more important indie labels (i.e. an independent label with a history of
more than a few years, and with a roster of performers, many of whom
are notable). --This has been demonstrated above

Has become one of the most prominent representatives of a notable
style or the most prominent of the local scene of a city; note that the
subject must still meet all ordinary Wikipedia standards, including
verifiability. --Ultimatum is one of the premier thrash bands in
Christian metal today.

Therefore, I request that the decision to delete this article be reversed and the article be restored.

Thank you for your time.

Messiaen77 (talk) 20:22, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

I'm afraid that the consensus to delete this article in the original
AFD discussion was clear and if it wasn't deleted by me it would have
been some other admin. This will have to be appealed to deletion review. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 03:37, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Sounds like someone from HoM has an ax to grind.

ultmetal wrote:

The two responses made on the page to have articles put back up were denied because they said we had to contact the admin who deleted it first.

Someone made a very intelligent and well written reply to the administrator that deleted the article. His response was less than enthusiastic.

Restoration of article Ultimatum (American band)

• Ultimatum (American band) • ( talk | logs | links | watch | afd ) • [revisions]
  

Dear Mr. Ritzman,

I am writing to you because you deleted the article "Ultimatum
(American band), and I believe that deletion was not warranted. The
reason for the initial request was the there was "no notability and
seems like self advertising." As for seeming like self-advertising, that
again is a purely speculative judgment call. The poster has no evidence
that the page was self-promoting, only that it seems to be the case. I
have read numerous band biographies that have been written by fans, as a
I presume this article was, (including many on Wikipedia) and they all
sound like that. So to use that as a criterion for deleting the article
would mean that someone should review all similar articles and take the
same action. Let me be clear that I am not advocating that course. If
anything, this article and the ones like it should have been flagged for
a need to be edited to include less bias.

Now, in the debate that followed, these were the reasons given for deletion:

Delete - I'm not convinced the band meets criterion #5. It's the important indie labels, not just ones that have articles on Wikipedia. -- Whpq (talk) 15:11, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

Delete - Rowe Productions doesn't look like an important label. There's litle mention in Google news, books, scholar and images. Bigbird6 (talk) 00:20, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
Delete - Fails WP:MUSIC, agree with above editor regarding Rowe Productions. JoshyDinda (talk) 19:06, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

First, is there an established definition of "important indie
labels"? And isn't it reasonable to believe the fact that there IS a
Wikipedia article on a label is a statement by Wikipedia that the label
is important enough for its artists to be given the same consideration?
But moving on from the argument that Rowe Productions does not
constitute an "important" indie label, this is not the only label for
which Ultimatum recorded. It has also recorded for Retroactive Records,
which is perhaps the leading indie label for Christian metal.
Retroactive is or has been home to notable Christian metal giants like
Saint, Bride, and Deliverance. It has also re-released material by
Guardian, Titanic, and Daniel Band. There is no one with any knowledge
of the current state of Christian metal that should not be familiar with
Retroactive Records, and any talk of that not being an "important indie
label" would quite frankly be based in ignorance of the subject. In
addition to Rowe and Retroactive, Ultimatum has also recorded for Roxx
Records, which is not only a significant Christian metal indie label in
its own right (albums by Holy Soldier, Eternal Ryte, Crystavox, and the
all-star band Liberty N Justice), but is also a partner in Intense
Millennium Records, which has acquired the rights to most of the
Frontline/Intense/Alarma catalog and has been working on releasing
remastered versions of some of Christian metal and rock's classic albums
from the late 1980s and early 1990s. Roxx has also partnered with the
Christian Metal Realm, one of the leading Internet communities for
Christian metal fans, to create a two tribute albums for the bands
Deliverance and Saint (in process). Beyond these labels, Ultimatum has
also recorded for Massacre Records--home to artists like Saviour
Machine, Fates Warning, and King Diamond. I think that list speaks for
itself as to Massacre's legitimacy as an important indie label.

So, in summary, I believe that the deletion of the article "Ultimatum
(American band)" was not justified and that those who argued for its
removal (Basileias, Whpg, Bigbird6, and JoshyDinda) lacked the necessary
familiarity with the Christian metal scene and Ultimatum to make the
judgments they did. Further, it seems that the decision to delete was
based around an argument that Ultimatum does not meet one of the
criterion for determining "notability." The guidelines in WP:MUSIC
actually say "A musician or ensemble (note that this includes a band,
singer, rapper, orchestra, DJ, musical theatre group, etc.) may be
notable if it meets at least one of the following criteria," not that it
will be excluded if it fails to meet one. To that end, Ultimatum:

Has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works
appearing in sources that are reliable and are independent from the
musician or ensemble itself. --This would include HM Magazine and
Heaven's Metal, the leading periodicals for Christian metal. It was the
cover story for the March 2008 issue of Heaven's Metal

Has released two or more albums on a major label or on one of the
more important indie labels (i.e. an independent label with a history of
more than a few years, and with a roster of performers, many of whom
are notable). --This has been demonstrated above

Has become one of the most prominent representatives of a notable
style or the most prominent of the local scene of a city; note that the
subject must still meet all ordinary Wikipedia standards, including
verifiability. --Ultimatum is one of the premier thrash bands in
Christian metal today.

Therefore, I request that the decision to delete this article be reversed and the article be restored.

Thank you for your time.

Messiaen77 (talk) 20:22, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

I'm afraid that the consensus to delete this article in the original
AFD discussion was clear and if it wasn't deleted by me it would have
been some other admin. This will have to be appealed to deletion review. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 03:37, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Did that Greatful Dead reject even read the argument? What a douche!

They don't care. You have to re-do the page and include all that info, plus links to references online that corroborate it all.

Wikipedia is stupid really. I can think of a few useless pages they used to have. It's not like it anymore, but they used to have a page for each member of the Finnish band Twilightning which said something to the effect of 'So-and-so is the guitarist for Finish metal band Twilightning' and that was it