Question for fellow christian metalheads.

DallasBlack wrote:

T-Roy wrote:

Olafsto wrote:

T-Roy wrote:

Olafsto wrote:

DallasBlack wrote:

Eyesore wrote:

Here's the thing, though. Where does it end? Are you going to disassociate yourself and your life with all things non-Christian? Do you sever relationships with family, friends, co-workers, everything and anything that goes against your beliefs?

A Christian is suposed to live in the world but not be influenced by it, not ignore it all together.

How is that possible in the world we live in today??

The same way it's possible to live in a communist country but never buy into the communist ideal. Does that make sense?

I understand what you mean, but i still wonder. We have access to so much information and so many use the media to push their goods or their message, that icant see how anyone can say that they are not influenced by it. It would make sense a 100 years ago.
And i dont think that you are un influenced even if you dont buy into something.

I don't think I disagree with you. Also, not exactly sure what verse he's referring to but "influence" is not the right word. I believe it says We are to be in the world (obviously, we live in it) but not of the world. In other words, our faith comes from the perspective that this world is temporary. We're not "of" it. And yes, on the outside we're influenced by our surroundings. Finances, quality of life, marketing, what we buy, how we live....all those physical aspects. That's why personally I believe Pepsi DESTROYS Coke.

I wasnt' directly quoting the Bible but more a or less paraphrasing it and you're right, I should have said it differently. By influence, I meant in a negative way. You shouldn't let the world influence you to compromise your faith or to let it tempt you to walk away from it.

I figured you were paraphrasing bro. I just realized "influenced" was not exactly right.

A little late to the question, I find myself much more affected by anything sexually explicit. Be it TV shows, movies, music.....I don't care for lyrics that degrade Christ or Christians, some of the worse to my ears are the latter Exodus albums.....But it still doesn't affect me like something that is sexually explicit.....Stender said if you throw out your music, might as well get rid of all the movies a person owns, and not watch any TV......Why does music always get a bad rap?

So me personally I steer clear of that stuff.....

Coram Deo wrote:

A little late to the question, I find myself much more affected by anything sexually explicit. Be it TV shows, movies, music.....I don't care for lyrics that degrade Christ or Christians, some of the worse to my ears are the latter Exodus albums.....But it still doesn't affect me like something that is sexually explicit.....Stender said if you throw out your music, might as well get rid of all the movies a person owns, and not watch any TV......Why does music always get a bad rap?

So me personally I steer clear of that stuff.....

In all honesty, I think music is way more spiritual than movies. The world have lived without moving pictures for 99,99% of it's duration, but music has always been there.

kmorg wrote:

Coram Deo wrote:

A little late to the question, I find myself much more affected by anything sexually explicit. Be it TV shows, movies, music.....I don't care for lyrics that degrade Christ or Christians, some of the worse to my ears are the latter Exodus albums.....But it still doesn't affect me like something that is sexually explicit.....Stender said if you throw out your music, might as well get rid of all the movies a person owns, and not watch any TV......Why does music always get a bad rap?

So me personally I steer clear of that stuff.....

In all honesty, I think music is way more spiritual than movies. The world have lived without moving pictures for 99,99% of it's duration, but music has always been there.

Completely agree. This is why I don't buy into the "it's just music."

Olafsto wrote:

it`s much clearer to me now, thanks!
Except the part with the Pepsi destroys Coke maybe

Pepsi "Throwback" (which is made old-school with real sugar, not the corn syrup processed sweetener crap they use nowadays) destroys any and all Coke products in this universe and/or any alternate dimensions thereof.

...just sayin'.

Fat Freddy wrote:

Olafsto wrote:

it`s much clearer to me now, thanks!
Except the part with the Pepsi destroys Coke maybe

Pepsi "Throwback" (which is made old-school with real sugar, not the corn syrup processed sweetener crap they use nowadays) destroys any and all Coke products in this universe and/or any alternate dimensions thereof.

...just sayin'.

Amen, once the mid 90s hit the taste of soda went downhill. Especially fountain drinks which used to be the best. Luckily some places like McDonalds and Waffle House still have decent fountain drinks. Around here you can get sugared Coke, Sprite, and Pepsi imported from Mexico in glass bottles but you pay more than for the regular plastic bottles. Also there are still quite a few Dr. Pepper bottleing companies that make it with sugar, but again your paying more for less. I still drink the corn syrup sodas (Dr. Pepper, Coke, & Pepsi) but that's because I try not to intake too much caffine and those come caffine free. Too bad Big Red doesn't come caffine free becaus it is my all time favorite soda.

mountain dew ruleth!!!

....aaaaaand I see once again I've managed to totally derail a thread without even meaning to.

Fat Freddy wrote:

....aaaaaand I see once again I've managed to totally derail a thread without even meaning to.

yes you have, tangentmaster!

Fat Freddy wrote:

....aaaaaand I see once again I've managed to totally derail a thread without even meaning to.

Dear Lord, this one here, you may go ahead and strike down, and thank you in advance from many of us. Amen.

exact33 wrote:

Fat Freddy wrote:

....aaaaaand I see once again I've managed to totally derail a thread without even meaning to.

yes you have, tangentmaster!

It's a gift.

T-Roy wrote:

Dear Lord, this one here, you may go ahead and strike down, and thank you in advance from many of us. Amen.

Dude, with the kind of week I've been having, I wouldn't be surprised if He's got it in for me right now....

Fat Freddy wrote:

Olafsto wrote:

it`s much clearer to me now, thanks!
Except the part with the Pepsi destroys Coke maybe

Pepsi "Throwback" (which is made old-school with real sugar, not the corn syrup processed sweetener crap they use nowadays) destroys any and all Coke products in this universe and/or any alternate dimensions thereof.

...just sayin'.

Ugh..... Not a Pepsi fan!!!!!!!!! I get the Coke imported from Mexico at Costco - it has real sugar in it!!!!!! Tastes just like the Coke we drank prior to Coke II.

Coke from Mexico just SOUNDS bad, doesn't it?

thejokeriv wrote:

Fat Freddy wrote:

Olafsto wrote:

it`s much clearer to me now, thanks!
Except the part with the Pepsi destroys Coke maybe

Pepsi "Throwback" (which is made old-school with real sugar, not the corn syrup processed sweetener crap they use nowadays) destroys any and all Coke products in this universe and/or any alternate dimensions thereof.

...just sayin'.

Ugh..... Not a Pepsi fan!!!!!!!!! I get the Coke imported from Mexico at Costco - it has real sugar in it!!!!!! Tastes just like the Coke we drank prior to Coke II.

Coke from Mexico just SOUNDS bad, doesn't it?

The hole-in-the-wall Mexican restaurant near my house has the real Coke from Mexico too (at least the legal kind). Tastes way better with real sugar. Coke from Mexico, it's a match made in high heaven.

Fat Freddy wrote:

exact33 wrote:

Fat Freddy wrote:

....aaaaaand I see once again I've managed to totally derail a thread without even meaning to.

yes you have, tangentmaster!

It's a gift.

T-Roy wrote:

Dear Lord, this one here, you may go ahead and strike down, and thank you in advance from many of us. Amen.

Dude, with the kind of week I've been having, I wouldn't be surprised if He's got it in for me right now....

kurt is pulling the strings because you cause so many topics to go off down tangent lane..

The Mountain Dew with real sugar in it isn't so good, but Coke with real sugar might not be so bad.

The_Jayroh wrote:

The Mountain Dew with real sugar in it isn't so good,.

Blasphemer. Mountain Dew Throwback is tha Nectar of tha Godz, yo.


...see? I'm doing it again! I can't help myself!

Fat Freddy wrote:

The_Jayroh wrote:

The Mountain Dew with real sugar in it isn't so good,.

Blasphemer. Mountain Dew Throwback is tha Nectar of tha Godz, yo.


...see? I'm doing it again! I can't help myself!

yepper!!

kmorg wrote:

Coram Deo wrote:

A little late to the question, I find myself much more affected by anything sexually explicit. Be it TV shows, movies, music.....I don't care for lyrics that degrade Christ or Christians, some of the worse to my ears are the latter Exodus albums.....But it still doesn't affect me like something that is sexually explicit.....Stender said if you throw out your music, might as well get rid of all the movies a person owns, and not watch any TV......Why does music always get a bad rap?

So me personally I steer clear of that stuff.....

In all honesty, I think music is way more spiritual than movies. The world have lived without moving pictures for 99,99% of it's duration, but music has always been there.

I agree that music is more spiritual than movies....To my knowledge the lyrics I listen to don't affect me in the way a sex scene does in a movie, or sexually explicit lyrics...Maybe they do and I am just not aware.....I know words can and are powerful......I don't ever think about killing people when I hear violent lyrics, or millitary style lyrics..But, if I see a sex scene in a movie, or hear sexually explicit lyrics, my mind does wander...to a place it should not go.......

Pffttt, oh come on, why does everyone think heavy metal is about death and Satan?! ...





... Hmm, ok maybe they have a point.

rubbish!

Well I myself struggled with this a lot. I ended up giving up Christianity rather than the good music. What happened is that after I studied the old testament with a scientific eye I came to the conclusion that its basically a fairytale, and by the same time, I had many spiritual experiences with other religions and I felt "the presence of God" with other types of meditations and prayer so I came to the conclusion that GOD is present in all "white" religions (religions that preach good values and helping others) so I decided to not be a Christian anymore. Now I follow other religions and I have a personal view that Jesus Christ was A God that incarnated on earth as many others may have.

as a METALHEAD it was a good movie. It doesn´t matter how many Christians I knew that really liked Metal ( like Kmorg and Scott Waters ) the GUILT for listening to "secular metal" was always in my mind.

Something I´d like to point is that I Only got ride of Secular Metal for 3 months ( I gave all my secular material to a friend and soon got it back ) but for YEARS I have felt the guilt for listening secular metal and so I listened to very few secular music. It was Horrible !!! I tried to listen to it , but I just couldn´t !!! I still like and enjoy Christian Metal and Rock , but this is no longer my belief.

Some people may think "music" will make them stumble , but science is much more "dangerous" to the Christian faith than anything else.

Even I wish that some of my favorite bands would sing about something else for a change! And I'm an utter heathen. I also steer clear of bands like Shining cause encouraging kids to self harm is not cool and even in opposition to my own very loose spiritual beliefs.

Ze-mau stated:
 
"Some people may think "music" will make them stumble , but science is much more "dangerous" to the Christian faith than anything else."
 
That's a broad stroke to make with a single brush.
It's isn't a given that Christian's are automatically anti-science.  Most people with common sense don't hold much validity in mere theory, regardless of any religious connotation applied.  Most contrasting issues between science and believers lay within the scientific community/educators pushing theory as fact.  There is a difference.
 
 
As for your guilt (listening to secular music), that comes from yourself and not from God. I respect your beliefs or lack there of but something seems to go a bit deeper than what you place your faith in and/or on.