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Subject: Why Switzerland is left alone?
Thu May 06, 2010 11:09 am
Interesting video on firearms in Switzerland.
</embed></object><br />http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/754.html</div><div class="clear"></div></div><span class="gensmall"></span></td></tr><tr><td colspan="2"><div class="fa_like_div"><p class="fa_like_list" style="display: none;"></p><button class="rep-button " data-href="" data-href-rm=""><svg width="15px" height="15px" viewBox="0 0 1792 1792" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><path d="M320 1344q0-26-19-45t-45-19q-27 0-45.5 19t-18.5 45q0 27 18.5 45.5t45.5 18.5q26 0 45-18.5t19-45.5zm160-512v640q0 26-19 45t-45 19h-288q-26 0-45-19t-19-45v-640q0-26 19-45t45-19h288q26 0 45 19t19 45zm1184 0q0 86-55 149 15 44 15 76 3 76-43 137 17 56 0 117-15 57-54 94 9 112-49 181-64 76-197 78h-129q-66 0-144-15.5t-121.5-29-120.5-39.5q-123-43-158-44-26-1-45-19.5t-19-44.5v-641q0-25 18-43.5t43-20.5q24-2 76-59t101-121q68-87 101-120 18-18 31-48t17.5-48.5 13.5-60.5q7-39 12.5-61t19.5-52 34-50q19-19 45-19 46 0 82.5 10.5t60 26 40 40.5 24 45 12 50 5 45 .5 39q0 38-9.5 76t-19 60-27.5 56q-3 6-10 18t-11 22-8 24h277q78 0 135 57t57 135z" fill="#666"/></svg><span>Like</span><span class="rep-nb" style="display:none;"></span></button><button class="rep-button " data-href="" data-href-rm=""><svg width="15px" height="15px" viewBox="0 0 1792 1792" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><path d="M320 576q0 26-19 45t-45 19q-27 0-45.5-19t-18.5-45q0-27 18.5-45.5t45.5-18.5q26 0 45 18.5t19 45.5zm160 512v-640q0-26-19-45t-45-19h-288q-26 0-45 19t-19 45v640q0 26 19 45t45 19h288q26 0 45-19t19-45zm1129-149q55 61 55 149-1 78-57.5 135t-134.5 57h-277q4 14 8 24t11 22 10 18q18 37 27 57t19 58.5 10 76.5q0 24-.5 39t-5 45-12 50-24 45-40 40.5-60 26-82.5 10.5q-26 0-45-19-20-20-34-50t-19.5-52-12.5-61q-9-42-13.5-60.5t-17.5-48.5-31-48q-33-33-101-120-49-64-101-121t-76-59q-25-2-43-20.5t-18-43.5v-641q0-26 19-44.5t45-19.5q35-1 158-44 77-26 120.5-39.5t121.5-29 144-15.5h129q133 2 197 78 58 69 49 181 39 37 54 94 17 61 0 117 46 61 43 137 0 32-15 76z" fill="#666"/></svg><span>Dislike</span><span class="rep-nb" style="display:none;"></span></button></div></td></tr></table></td></tr><tr class="post--337224" style=""><td class="row1 browse-arrows" align="center" valign="middle" width="150"><a href="#top"><img class="sprite-arrow_subsilver_up" src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="Back to top" loading="lazy" /></a> <a href="#bottom"><img class="sprite-arrow_subsilver_down" src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="Go down" loading="lazy" /></a></td><td class="row1 messaging gensmall" width="100%" height="28"><table border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"><tr><td valign="middle"> </td></tr></table></td></tr><tr class="post post--337249" id="p337249" style=""><td class="row2" valign="top" width="150"><span class="name"><a name="337249" style="position: relative; top: -30px; width: 1px;" id="337249"></a><strong>Thrasher73</strong></span><br /><span class="postdetails poster-profile">Much Cooler than the other 72<br /><img loading="lazy" src="https://2img.net/u/3215/80/92/40/avatars/10-24.jpg" alt="Thrasher73" style="max-width: 150px; max-height: 150px" /><br /><br /><div class="dd_award right"></div><div class="award_more"></div><br><span class="label"><span style="color:#ffffff;">Number of posts</span> : </span> 8918<br /><span class="label"><span style="color:#ffffff;">Age</span> : </span> 51<br /></span><br /><img src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="Why Switzerland is left alone? Empty" style="width:150px;height:1px" /></td><td class="row2" valign="top" width="100%" height="100%"><table width="100%" height="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"><tr><td><span class="postdetails"><img src="https://2img.net/i/fa/extremedarkred/icon_minipost.gif" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" />Subject: Re: Why Switzerland is left alone? <img src="https://2img.net/i/fa/icon_minitime.gif" alt="Why Switzerland is left alone? Icon_minitime" border="0" />Thu May 06, 2010 11:39 am</span></td><td valign="top" nowrap="nowrap" class="post-options"> </td></tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="hr"><hr /></td></tr><tr height="100%" valign="top"><td colspan="2"><div class="postbody"><div><img src="https://2img.net/i/fa/i/smiles/icon_cheers.png" border="0" alt="Why Switzerland is left alone? Icon_cheers"/><br /><br />Everyone should own a Sig!</div><div class="clear"></div></div><span class="gensmall"></span></td></tr><tr><td colspan="2"><div class="fa_like_div"><p class="fa_like_list" style="display: none;"></p><button class="rep-button " data-href="" data-href-rm=""><svg width="15px" height="15px" viewBox="0 0 1792 1792" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><path d="M320 1344q0-26-19-45t-45-19q-27 0-45.5 19t-18.5 45q0 27 18.5 45.5t45.5 18.5q26 0 45-18.5t19-45.5zm160-512v640q0 26-19 45t-45 19h-288q-26 0-45-19t-19-45v-640q0-26 19-45t45-19h288q26 0 45 19t19 45zm1184 0q0 86-55 149 15 44 15 76 3 76-43 137 17 56 0 117-15 57-54 94 9 112-49 181-64 76-197 78h-129q-66 0-144-15.5t-121.5-29-120.5-39.5q-123-43-158-44-26-1-45-19.5t-19-44.5v-641q0-25 18-43.5t43-20.5q24-2 76-59t101-121q68-87 101-120 18-18 31-48t17.5-48.5 13.5-60.5q7-39 12.5-61t19.5-52 34-50q19-19 45-19 46 0 82.5 10.5t60 26 40 40.5 24 45 12 50 5 45 .5 39q0 38-9.5 76t-19 60-27.5 56q-3 6-10 18t-11 22-8 24h277q78 0 135 57t57 135z" fill="#666"/></svg><span>Like</span><span class="rep-nb" style="display:none;"></span></button><button class="rep-button " data-href="" data-href-rm=""><svg width="15px" height="15px" viewBox="0 0 1792 1792" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><path d="M320 576q0 26-19 45t-45 19q-27 0-45.5-19t-18.5-45q0-27 18.5-45.5t45.5-18.5q26 0 45 18.5t19 45.5zm160 512v-640q0-26-19-45t-45-19h-288q-26 0-45 19t-19 45v640q0 26 19 45t45 19h288q26 0 45-19t19-45zm1129-149q55 61 55 149-1 78-57.5 135t-134.5 57h-277q4 14 8 24t11 22 10 18q18 37 27 57t19 58.5 10 76.5q0 24-.5 39t-5 45-12 50-24 45-40 40.5-60 26-82.5 10.5q-26 0-45-19-20-20-34-50t-19.5-52-12.5-61q-9-42-13.5-60.5t-17.5-48.5-31-48q-33-33-101-120-49-64-101-121t-76-59q-25-2-43-20.5t-18-43.5v-641q0-26 19-44.5t45-19.5q35-1 158-44 77-26 120.5-39.5t121.5-29 144-15.5h129q133 2 197 78 58 69 49 181 39 37 54 94 17 61 0 117 46 61 43 137 0 32-15 76z" fill="#666"/></svg><span>Dislike</span><span class="rep-nb" style="display:none;"></span></button></div></td></tr></table></td></tr><tr class="post--337249" style=""><td class="row2 browse-arrows" align="center" valign="middle" width="150"><a href="#top"><img class="sprite-arrow_subsilver_up" src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="Back to top" loading="lazy" /></a> <a href="#bottom"><img class="sprite-arrow_subsilver_down" src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="Go down" loading="lazy" /></a></td><td class="row2 messaging gensmall" width="100%" height="28"><table border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"><tr><td valign="middle"> </td></tr></table></td></tr><tr class="post post--337270" id="p337270" style=""><td class="row1" valign="top" width="150"><span class="name"><a name="337270" style="position: relative; top: -30px; width: 1px;" id="337270"></a><strong>T-Roy</strong></span><br /><span class="postdetails poster-profile">Metal is in my blood<br /><img src="https://2img.net/i/itest/ranks/default/default6.gif" alt="Metal is in my blood" title="Metal is in my blood" loading="lazy" /><br /><img loading="lazy" src="https://2img.net/u/3215/80/92/40/avatars/275-25.jpg" alt="T-Roy" style="max-width: 150px; max-height: 150px" /><br /><br /><div class="dd_award right"></div><div class="award_more"></div><br><span class="label"><span style="color:#ffffff;">Number of posts</span> : </span> 4077<br /><span class="label"><span style="color:#ffffff;">Age</span> : </span> 51<br /></span><br /><img src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="Why Switzerland is left alone? Empty" style="width:150px;height:1px" /></td><td class="row1" valign="top" width="100%" height="100%"><table width="100%" height="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"><tr><td><span class="postdetails"><img src="https://2img.net/i/fa/extremedarkred/icon_minipost.gif" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" />Subject: Re: Why Switzerland is left alone? <img src="https://2img.net/i/fa/icon_minitime.gif" alt="Why Switzerland is left alone? Icon_minitime" border="0" />Thu May 06, 2010 12:09 pm</span></td><td valign="top" nowrap="nowrap" class="post-options"> </td></tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="hr"><hr /></td></tr><tr height="100%" valign="top"><td colspan="2"><div class="postbody"><div>This must be why swiss cheese is full of holes!</div><div class="clear"></div></div><span class="gensmall"></span></td></tr><tr><td colspan="2"><div class="fa_like_div"><p class="fa_like_list" style="display: none;"></p><button class="rep-button " data-href="" data-href-rm=""><svg width="15px" height="15px" viewBox="0 0 1792 1792" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><path d="M320 1344q0-26-19-45t-45-19q-27 0-45.5 19t-18.5 45q0 27 18.5 45.5t45.5 18.5q26 0 45-18.5t19-45.5zm160-512v640q0 26-19 45t-45 19h-288q-26 0-45-19t-19-45v-640q0-26 19-45t45-19h288q26 0 45 19t19 45zm1184 0q0 86-55 149 15 44 15 76 3 76-43 137 17 56 0 117-15 57-54 94 9 112-49 181-64 76-197 78h-129q-66 0-144-15.5t-121.5-29-120.5-39.5q-123-43-158-44-26-1-45-19.5t-19-44.5v-641q0-25 18-43.5t43-20.5q24-2 76-59t101-121q68-87 101-120 18-18 31-48t17.5-48.5 13.5-60.5q7-39 12.5-61t19.5-52 34-50q19-19 45-19 46 0 82.5 10.5t60 26 40 40.5 24 45 12 50 5 45 .5 39q0 38-9.5 76t-19 60-27.5 56q-3 6-10 18t-11 22-8 24h277q78 0 135 57t57 135z" fill="#666"/></svg><span>Like</span><span class="rep-nb" style="display:none;"></span></button><button class="rep-button " data-href="" data-href-rm=""><svg width="15px" height="15px" viewBox="0 0 1792 1792" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><path d="M320 576q0 26-19 45t-45 19q-27 0-45.5-19t-18.5-45q0-27 18.5-45.5t45.5-18.5q26 0 45 18.5t19 45.5zm160 512v-640q0-26-19-45t-45-19h-288q-26 0-45 19t-19 45v640q0 26 19 45t45 19h288q26 0 45-19t19-45zm1129-149q55 61 55 149-1 78-57.5 135t-134.5 57h-277q4 14 8 24t11 22 10 18q18 37 27 57t19 58.5 10 76.5q0 24-.5 39t-5 45-12 50-24 45-40 40.5-60 26-82.5 10.5q-26 0-45-19-20-20-34-50t-19.5-52-12.5-61q-9-42-13.5-60.5t-17.5-48.5-31-48q-33-33-101-120-49-64-101-121t-76-59q-25-2-43-20.5t-18-43.5v-641q0-26 19-44.5t45-19.5q35-1 158-44 77-26 120.5-39.5t121.5-29 144-15.5h129q133 2 197 78 58 69 49 181 39 37 54 94 17 61 0 117 46 61 43 137 0 32-15 76z" fill="#666"/></svg><span>Dislike</span><span class="rep-nb" style="display:none;"></span></button></div></td></tr></table></td></tr><tr class="post--337270" style=""><td class="row1 browse-arrows" align="center" valign="middle" width="150"><a href="#top"><img class="sprite-arrow_subsilver_up" src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="Back to top" loading="lazy" /></a> <a href="#bottom"><img class="sprite-arrow_subsilver_down" src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="Go down" loading="lazy" /></a></td><td class="row1 messaging gensmall" width="100%" height="28"><table border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"><tr><td valign="middle"> </td></tr></table></td></tr><tr class="post post--337415" id="p337415" style=""><td class="row2" valign="top" width="150"><span class="name"><a name="337415" style="position: relative; top: -30px; width: 1px;" id="337415"></a><strong>metalheaded</strong></span><br /><span class="postdetails poster-profile">Metal graduate<br /><img src="https://2img.net/i/itest/ranks/default/default3.gif" alt="Metal graduate" title="Metal graduate" loading="lazy" /><br /><img loading="lazy" src="https://2img.net/u/3215/80/92/40/avatars/427-26.jpg" alt="metalheaded" style="max-width: 150px; max-height: 150px" /><br /><br /><div class="dd_award right"></div><div class="award_more"></div><br><span class="label"><span style="color:#ffffff;">Number of posts</span> : </span> 434<br /><span class="label"><span style="color:#ffffff;">Age</span> : </span> 52<br /></span><br /><img src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="Why Switzerland is left alone? Empty" style="width:150px;height:1px" /></td><td class="row2" valign="top" width="100%" height="100%"><table width="100%" height="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"><tr><td><span class="postdetails"><img src="https://2img.net/i/fa/extremedarkred/icon_minipost.gif" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" />Subject: Re: Why Switzerland is left alone? <img src="https://2img.net/i/fa/icon_minitime.gif" alt="Why Switzerland is left alone? Icon_minitime" border="0" />Thu May 06, 2010 6:00 pm</span></td><td valign="top" nowrap="nowrap" class="post-options"> </td></tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="hr"><hr /></td></tr><tr height="100%" valign="top"><td colspan="2"><div class="postbody"><div>I like what he says at the very end of the video, and it rings totally true:<br /><br /><i>"The key to freedom is the ability to be able to defend yourself. If you don't have the tools to do that, then you are at the mercy of whoever wants to put you away. The tools for that are guns."</i><br /><br />Right on, man. I bet those words wouldn't go over well here in the U.S. anymore...too much PC-ness.<br /><br />Might have to move to Switzerland soon. <img src="https://2img.net/i/fa/i/smiles/icon_lol.gif" alt="Laughing" longdesc="3" /></div><div class="clear"></div></div><span class="gensmall"></span></td></tr><tr><td colspan="2"><div class="fa_like_div"><p class="fa_like_list" style="display: none;"></p><button class="rep-button " data-href="" data-href-rm=""><svg width="15px" height="15px" viewBox="0 0 1792 1792" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><path d="M320 1344q0-26-19-45t-45-19q-27 0-45.5 19t-18.5 45q0 27 18.5 45.5t45.5 18.5q26 0 45-18.5t19-45.5zm160-512v640q0 26-19 45t-45 19h-288q-26 0-45-19t-19-45v-640q0-26 19-45t45-19h288q26 0 45 19t19 45zm1184 0q0 86-55 149 15 44 15 76 3 76-43 137 17 56 0 117-15 57-54 94 9 112-49 181-64 76-197 78h-129q-66 0-144-15.5t-121.5-29-120.5-39.5q-123-43-158-44-26-1-45-19.5t-19-44.5v-641q0-25 18-43.5t43-20.5q24-2 76-59t101-121q68-87 101-120 18-18 31-48t17.5-48.5 13.5-60.5q7-39 12.5-61t19.5-52 34-50q19-19 45-19 46 0 82.5 10.5t60 26 40 40.5 24 45 12 50 5 45 .5 39q0 38-9.5 76t-19 60-27.5 56q-3 6-10 18t-11 22-8 24h277q78 0 135 57t57 135z" fill="#666"/></svg><span>Like</span><span class="rep-nb" style="display:none;"></span></button><button class="rep-button " data-href="" data-href-rm=""><svg width="15px" height="15px" viewBox="0 0 1792 1792" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><path d="M320 576q0 26-19 45t-45 19q-27 0-45.5-19t-18.5-45q0-27 18.5-45.5t45.5-18.5q26 0 45 18.5t19 45.5zm160 512v-640q0-26-19-45t-45-19h-288q-26 0-45 19t-19 45v640q0 26 19 45t45 19h288q26 0 45-19t19-45zm1129-149q55 61 55 149-1 78-57.5 135t-134.5 57h-277q4 14 8 24t11 22 10 18q18 37 27 57t19 58.5 10 76.5q0 24-.5 39t-5 45-12 50-24 45-40 40.5-60 26-82.5 10.5q-26 0-45-19-20-20-34-50t-19.5-52-12.5-61q-9-42-13.5-60.5t-17.5-48.5-31-48q-33-33-101-120-49-64-101-121t-76-59q-25-2-43-20.5t-18-43.5v-641q0-26 19-44.5t45-19.5q35-1 158-44 77-26 120.5-39.5t121.5-29 144-15.5h129q133 2 197 78 58 69 49 181 39 37 54 94 17 61 0 117 46 61 43 137 0 32-15 76z" fill="#666"/></svg><span>Dislike</span><span class="rep-nb" style="display:none;"></span></button></div></td></tr></table></td></tr><tr class="post--337415" style=""><td class="row2 browse-arrows" align="center" valign="middle" width="150"><a href="#top"><img class="sprite-arrow_subsilver_up" src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="Back to top" loading="lazy" /></a> <a href="#bottom"><img class="sprite-arrow_subsilver_down" src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="Go down" loading="lazy" /></a></td><td class="row2 messaging gensmall" width="100%" height="28"><table border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"><tr><td valign="middle"> </td></tr></table></td></tr><tr class="post post--337418" id="p337418" style=""><td class="row1" valign="top" width="150"><span class="name"><a name="337418" style="position: relative; top: -30px; width: 1px;" id="337418"></a><strong>T-Roy</strong></span><br /><span class="postdetails poster-profile">Metal is in my blood<br /><img src="https://2img.net/i/itest/ranks/default/default6.gif" alt="Metal is in my blood" title="Metal is in my blood" loading="lazy" /><br /><img loading="lazy" src="https://2img.net/u/3215/80/92/40/avatars/275-25.jpg" alt="T-Roy" style="max-width: 150px; max-height: 150px" /><br /><br /><div class="dd_award right"></div><div class="award_more"></div><br><span class="label"><span style="color:#ffffff;">Number of posts</span> : </span> 4077<br /><span class="label"><span style="color:#ffffff;">Age</span> : </span> 51<br /></span><br /><img src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="Why Switzerland is left alone? Empty" style="width:150px;height:1px" /></td><td class="row1" valign="top" width="100%" height="100%"><table width="100%" height="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"><tr><td><span class="postdetails"><img src="https://2img.net/i/fa/extremedarkred/icon_minipost.gif" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" />Subject: Re: Why Switzerland is left alone? <img src="https://2img.net/i/fa/icon_minitime.gif" alt="Why Switzerland is left alone? Icon_minitime" border="0" />Thu May 06, 2010 6:04 pm</span></td><td valign="top" nowrap="nowrap" class="post-options"> </td></tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="hr"><hr /></td></tr><tr height="100%" valign="top"><td colspan="2"><div class="postbody"><div>That was powerful what he said about his experience touring a holocaust museum.</div><div class="clear"></div></div><span class="gensmall"></span></td></tr><tr><td colspan="2"><div class="fa_like_div"><p class="fa_like_list" style="display: none;"></p><button class="rep-button " data-href="" data-href-rm=""><svg width="15px" height="15px" viewBox="0 0 1792 1792" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><path d="M320 1344q0-26-19-45t-45-19q-27 0-45.5 19t-18.5 45q0 27 18.5 45.5t45.5 18.5q26 0 45-18.5t19-45.5zm160-512v640q0 26-19 45t-45 19h-288q-26 0-45-19t-19-45v-640q0-26 19-45t45-19h288q26 0 45 19t19 45zm1184 0q0 86-55 149 15 44 15 76 3 76-43 137 17 56 0 117-15 57-54 94 9 112-49 181-64 76-197 78h-129q-66 0-144-15.5t-121.5-29-120.5-39.5q-123-43-158-44-26-1-45-19.5t-19-44.5v-641q0-25 18-43.5t43-20.5q24-2 76-59t101-121q68-87 101-120 18-18 31-48t17.5-48.5 13.5-60.5q7-39 12.5-61t19.5-52 34-50q19-19 45-19 46 0 82.5 10.5t60 26 40 40.5 24 45 12 50 5 45 .5 39q0 38-9.5 76t-19 60-27.5 56q-3 6-10 18t-11 22-8 24h277q78 0 135 57t57 135z" fill="#666"/></svg><span>Like</span><span class="rep-nb" style="display:none;"></span></button><button class="rep-button " data-href="" data-href-rm=""><svg width="15px" height="15px" viewBox="0 0 1792 1792" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><path d="M320 576q0 26-19 45t-45 19q-27 0-45.5-19t-18.5-45q0-27 18.5-45.5t45.5-18.5q26 0 45 18.5t19 45.5zm160 512v-640q0-26-19-45t-45-19h-288q-26 0-45 19t-19 45v640q0 26 19 45t45 19h288q26 0 45-19t19-45zm1129-149q55 61 55 149-1 78-57.5 135t-134.5 57h-277q4 14 8 24t11 22 10 18q18 37 27 57t19 58.5 10 76.5q0 24-.5 39t-5 45-12 50-24 45-40 40.5-60 26-82.5 10.5q-26 0-45-19-20-20-34-50t-19.5-52-12.5-61q-9-42-13.5-60.5t-17.5-48.5-31-48q-33-33-101-120-49-64-101-121t-76-59q-25-2-43-20.5t-18-43.5v-641q0-26 19-44.5t45-19.5q35-1 158-44 77-26 120.5-39.5t121.5-29 144-15.5h129q133 2 197 78 58 69 49 181 39 37 54 94 17 61 0 117 46 61 43 137 0 32-15 76z" fill="#666"/></svg><span>Dislike</span><span class="rep-nb" style="display:none;"></span></button></div></td></tr></table></td></tr><tr class="post--337418" style=""><td class="row1 browse-arrows" align="center" valign="middle" width="150"><a href="#top"><img class="sprite-arrow_subsilver_up" src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="Back to top" loading="lazy" /></a> <a href="#bottom"><img class="sprite-arrow_subsilver_down" src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="Go down" loading="lazy" /></a></td><td class="row1 messaging gensmall" width="100%" height="28"><table border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"><tr><td valign="middle"> </td></tr></table></td></tr><tr class="post post--337430" id="p337430" style=""><td class="row2" valign="top" width="150"><span class="name"><a name="337430" style="position: relative; top: -30px; width: 1px;" id="337430"></a><strong>Orion Crystal Ice</strong></span><br /><span class="postdetails poster-profile">Metal is in my blood<br /><img src="https://2img.net/i/itest/ranks/default/default6.gif" alt="Metal is in my blood" title="Metal is in my blood" loading="lazy" /><br /><img loading="lazy" src="https://2img.net/u/3215/80/92/40/avatars/637-46.jpg" alt="Orion Crystal Ice" style="max-width: 150px; max-height: 150px" /><br /><br /><div class="dd_award right"></div><div class="award_more"></div><br><span class="label"><span style="color:#ffffff;">Number of posts</span> : </span> 4201<br /><span class="label"><span style="color:#ffffff;">Age</span> : </span> 39<br /></span><br /><img src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="Why Switzerland is left alone? Empty" style="width:150px;height:1px" /></td><td class="row2" valign="top" width="100%" height="100%"><table width="100%" height="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"><tr><td><span class="postdetails"><img src="https://2img.net/i/fa/extremedarkred/icon_minipost.gif" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" />Subject: Re: Why Switzerland is left alone? <img src="https://2img.net/i/fa/icon_minitime.gif" alt="Why Switzerland is left alone? Icon_minitime" border="0" />Thu May 06, 2010 6:25 pm</span></td><td valign="top" nowrap="nowrap" class="post-options"> </td></tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="hr"><hr /></td></tr><tr height="100%" valign="top"><td colspan="2"><div class="postbody"><div>You need to have a culture that is responsible from the ground-up as well. If they're too stupid to understand the ideology and too amoral to put it into action, then laws and creeds of the land still won't matter. Unfortunately, that's the more pressing issue with the U.S.A. despite that I agree with the right to defend yourself. Our culture is drowning itself in mediocrity.</div><div class="clear"></div></div><span class="gensmall"></span></td></tr><tr><td colspan="2"><div class="fa_like_div"><p class="fa_like_list" style="display: none;"></p><button class="rep-button " data-href="" data-href-rm=""><svg width="15px" height="15px" viewBox="0 0 1792 1792" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><path d="M320 1344q0-26-19-45t-45-19q-27 0-45.5 19t-18.5 45q0 27 18.5 45.5t45.5 18.5q26 0 45-18.5t19-45.5zm160-512v640q0 26-19 45t-45 19h-288q-26 0-45-19t-19-45v-640q0-26 19-45t45-19h288q26 0 45 19t19 45zm1184 0q0 86-55 149 15 44 15 76 3 76-43 137 17 56 0 117-15 57-54 94 9 112-49 181-64 76-197 78h-129q-66 0-144-15.5t-121.5-29-120.5-39.5q-123-43-158-44-26-1-45-19.5t-19-44.5v-641q0-25 18-43.5t43-20.5q24-2 76-59t101-121q68-87 101-120 18-18 31-48t17.5-48.5 13.5-60.5q7-39 12.5-61t19.5-52 34-50q19-19 45-19 46 0 82.5 10.5t60 26 40 40.5 24 45 12 50 5 45 .5 39q0 38-9.5 76t-19 60-27.5 56q-3 6-10 18t-11 22-8 24h277q78 0 135 57t57 135z" fill="#666"/></svg><span>Like</span><span class="rep-nb" style="display:none;"></span></button><button class="rep-button " data-href="" data-href-rm=""><svg width="15px" height="15px" viewBox="0 0 1792 1792" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><path d="M320 576q0 26-19 45t-45 19q-27 0-45.5-19t-18.5-45q0-27 18.5-45.5t45.5-18.5q26 0 45 18.5t19 45.5zm160 512v-640q0-26-19-45t-45-19h-288q-26 0-45 19t-19 45v640q0 26 19 45t45 19h288q26 0 45-19t19-45zm1129-149q55 61 55 149-1 78-57.5 135t-134.5 57h-277q4 14 8 24t11 22 10 18q18 37 27 57t19 58.5 10 76.5q0 24-.5 39t-5 45-12 50-24 45-40 40.5-60 26-82.5 10.5q-26 0-45-19-20-20-34-50t-19.5-52-12.5-61q-9-42-13.5-60.5t-17.5-48.5-31-48q-33-33-101-120-49-64-101-121t-76-59q-25-2-43-20.5t-18-43.5v-641q0-26 19-44.5t45-19.5q35-1 158-44 77-26 120.5-39.5t121.5-29 144-15.5h129q133 2 197 78 58 69 49 181 39 37 54 94 17 61 0 117 46 61 43 137 0 32-15 76z" fill="#666"/></svg><span>Dislike</span><span class="rep-nb" style="display:none;"></span></button></div></td></tr></table></td></tr><tr class="post--337430" style=""><td class="row2 browse-arrows" align="center" valign="middle" width="150"><a href="#top"><img class="sprite-arrow_subsilver_up" src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="Back to top" loading="lazy" /></a> <a href="#bottom"><img class="sprite-arrow_subsilver_down" src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="Go down" loading="lazy" /></a></td><td class="row2 messaging gensmall" width="100%" height="28"><table border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"><tr><td valign="middle"> </td></tr></table></td></tr><tr class="post post--337441" id="p337441" style=""><td class="row1" valign="top" width="150"><span class="name"><a name="337441" style="position: relative; top: -30px; width: 1px;" id="337441"></a><strong>Stender</strong></span><br /><span class="postdetails poster-profile">The lost Ramone<br /><img loading="lazy" src="https://2img.net/u/3215/80/92/40/avatars/456-13.jpg" alt="Stender" style="max-width: 150px; max-height: 150px" /><br /><br /><div class="dd_award right"></div><div class="award_more"></div><br><span class="label"><span style="color:#ffffff;">Number of posts</span> : </span> 6557<br /><span class="label"><span style="color:#ffffff;">Age</span> : </span> 34<br /></span><br /><img src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="Why Switzerland is left alone? Empty" style="width:150px;height:1px" /></td><td class="row1" valign="top" width="100%" height="100%"><table width="100%" height="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"><tr><td><span class="postdetails"><img src="https://2img.net/i/fa/extremedarkred/icon_minipost.gif" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" />Subject: Re: Why Switzerland is left alone? <img src="https://2img.net/i/fa/icon_minitime.gif" alt="Why Switzerland is left alone? Icon_minitime" border="0" />Thu May 06, 2010 6:53 pm</span></td><td valign="top" nowrap="nowrap" class="post-options"> </td></tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="hr"><hr /></td></tr><tr height="100%" valign="top"><td colspan="2"><div class="postbody"><div>I always thought switzerland was pretty "liberal". Interesting video.</div><div class="clear"></div></div><span class="gensmall"></span></td></tr><tr><td colspan="2"><div class="fa_like_div"><p class="fa_like_list" style="display: none;"></p><button class="rep-button " data-href="" data-href-rm=""><svg width="15px" height="15px" viewBox="0 0 1792 1792" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><path d="M320 1344q0-26-19-45t-45-19q-27 0-45.5 19t-18.5 45q0 27 18.5 45.5t45.5 18.5q26 0 45-18.5t19-45.5zm160-512v640q0 26-19 45t-45 19h-288q-26 0-45-19t-19-45v-640q0-26 19-45t45-19h288q26 0 45 19t19 45zm1184 0q0 86-55 149 15 44 15 76 3 76-43 137 17 56 0 117-15 57-54 94 9 112-49 181-64 76-197 78h-129q-66 0-144-15.5t-121.5-29-120.5-39.5q-123-43-158-44-26-1-45-19.5t-19-44.5v-641q0-25 18-43.5t43-20.5q24-2 76-59t101-121q68-87 101-120 18-18 31-48t17.5-48.5 13.5-60.5q7-39 12.5-61t19.5-52 34-50q19-19 45-19 46 0 82.5 10.5t60 26 40 40.5 24 45 12 50 5 45 .5 39q0 38-9.5 76t-19 60-27.5 56q-3 6-10 18t-11 22-8 24h277q78 0 135 57t57 135z" fill="#666"/></svg><span>Like</span><span class="rep-nb" style="display:none;"></span></button><button class="rep-button " data-href="" data-href-rm=""><svg width="15px" height="15px" viewBox="0 0 1792 1792" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><path d="M320 576q0 26-19 45t-45 19q-27 0-45.5-19t-18.5-45q0-27 18.5-45.5t45.5-18.5q26 0 45 18.5t19 45.5zm160 512v-640q0-26-19-45t-45-19h-288q-26 0-45 19t-19 45v640q0 26 19 45t45 19h288q26 0 45-19t19-45zm1129-149q55 61 55 149-1 78-57.5 135t-134.5 57h-277q4 14 8 24t11 22 10 18q18 37 27 57t19 58.5 10 76.5q0 24-.5 39t-5 45-12 50-24 45-40 40.5-60 26-82.5 10.5q-26 0-45-19-20-20-34-50t-19.5-52-12.5-61q-9-42-13.5-60.5t-17.5-48.5-31-48q-33-33-101-120-49-64-101-121t-76-59q-25-2-43-20.5t-18-43.5v-641q0-26 19-44.5t45-19.5q35-1 158-44 77-26 120.5-39.5t121.5-29 144-15.5h129q133 2 197 78 58 69 49 181 39 37 54 94 17 61 0 117 46 61 43 137 0 32-15 76z" fill="#666"/></svg><span>Dislike</span><span class="rep-nb" style="display:none;"></span></button></div></td></tr></table></td></tr><tr class="post--337441" style=""><td class="row1 browse-arrows" align="center" valign="middle" width="150"><a href="#top"><img class="sprite-arrow_subsilver_up" src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="Back to top" loading="lazy" /></a> <a href="#bottom"><img class="sprite-arrow_subsilver_down" src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="Go down" loading="lazy" /></a></td><td class="row1 messaging gensmall" width="100%" height="28"><table border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"><tr><td valign="middle"> </td></tr></table></td></tr><tr class="post post--337453" id="p337453" style=""><td class="row2" valign="top" width="150"><span class="name"><a name="337453" style="position: relative; top: -30px; width: 1px;" id="337453"></a><strong><span style="color:#F7A70A"><strong>tohostudios</strong></span></strong></span><br /><span class="postdetails poster-profile">King Of Kaiju<br /><img loading="lazy" src="https://2img.net/u/3215/80/92/40/avatars/467-62.jpg" alt="tohostudios" style="max-width: 150px; max-height: 150px" /><br /><br /><div class="dd_award right"></div><div class="award_more"></div><br><span class="label"><span style="color:#ffffff;">Number of posts</span> : </span> 30892<br /><span class="label"><span style="color:#ffffff;">Age</span> : </span> 64<br /></span><br /><img src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="Why Switzerland is left alone? Empty" style="width:150px;height:1px" /></td><td class="row2" valign="top" width="100%" height="100%"><table width="100%" height="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"><tr><td><span class="postdetails"><img src="https://2img.net/i/fa/extremedarkred/icon_minipost.gif" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" />Subject: Re: Why Switzerland is left alone? <img src="https://2img.net/i/fa/icon_minitime.gif" alt="Why Switzerland is left alone? Icon_minitime" border="0" />Thu May 06, 2010 7:51 pm</span></td><td valign="top" nowrap="nowrap" class="post-options"> </td></tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="hr"><hr /></td></tr><tr height="100%" valign="top"><td colspan="2"><div class="postbody"><div><dl class="codebox"> <dt><span class="genmed"><b>Stender wrote:</b></span></dt> <dd class="quote">I always thought switzerland was pretty "liberal". Interesting video.</dd> </dl> <br />Ditto. Very interesting.</div><div class="clear"></div><div class="signature_div"><br />_________________<br />"The cat is the most ruthless, most terrifying of animals." - Spock in the "Catspaw" episode of ToS Season 2.</div></div><span class="gensmall"></span></td></tr><tr><td colspan="2"><div class="fa_like_div"><p class="fa_like_list" style="display: none;"></p><button class="rep-button " data-href="" data-href-rm=""><svg width="15px" height="15px" viewBox="0 0 1792 1792" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><path d="M320 1344q0-26-19-45t-45-19q-27 0-45.5 19t-18.5 45q0 27 18.5 45.5t45.5 18.5q26 0 45-18.5t19-45.5zm160-512v640q0 26-19 45t-45 19h-288q-26 0-45-19t-19-45v-640q0-26 19-45t45-19h288q26 0 45 19t19 45zm1184 0q0 86-55 149 15 44 15 76 3 76-43 137 17 56 0 117-15 57-54 94 9 112-49 181-64 76-197 78h-129q-66 0-144-15.5t-121.5-29-120.5-39.5q-123-43-158-44-26-1-45-19.5t-19-44.5v-641q0-25 18-43.5t43-20.5q24-2 76-59t101-121q68-87 101-120 18-18 31-48t17.5-48.5 13.5-60.5q7-39 12.5-61t19.5-52 34-50q19-19 45-19 46 0 82.5 10.5t60 26 40 40.5 24 45 12 50 5 45 .5 39q0 38-9.5 76t-19 60-27.5 56q-3 6-10 18t-11 22-8 24h277q78 0 135 57t57 135z" fill="#666"/></svg><span>Like</span><span class="rep-nb" style="display:none;"></span></button><button class="rep-button " data-href="" data-href-rm=""><svg width="15px" height="15px" viewBox="0 0 1792 1792" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><path d="M320 576q0 26-19 45t-45 19q-27 0-45.5-19t-18.5-45q0-27 18.5-45.5t45.5-18.5q26 0 45 18.5t19 45.5zm160 512v-640q0-26-19-45t-45-19h-288q-26 0-45 19t-19 45v640q0 26 19 45t45 19h288q26 0 45-19t19-45zm1129-149q55 61 55 149-1 78-57.5 135t-134.5 57h-277q4 14 8 24t11 22 10 18q18 37 27 57t19 58.5 10 76.5q0 24-.5 39t-5 45-12 50-24 45-40 40.5-60 26-82.5 10.5q-26 0-45-19-20-20-34-50t-19.5-52-12.5-61q-9-42-13.5-60.5t-17.5-48.5-31-48q-33-33-101-120-49-64-101-121t-76-59q-25-2-43-20.5t-18-43.5v-641q0-26 19-44.5t45-19.5q35-1 158-44 77-26 120.5-39.5t121.5-29 144-15.5h129q133 2 197 78 58 69 49 181 39 37 54 94 17 61 0 117 46 61 43 137 0 32-15 76z" fill="#666"/></svg><span>Dislike</span><span class="rep-nb" style="display:none;"></span></button></div></td></tr></table></td></tr><tr class="post--337453" style=""><td class="row2 browse-arrows" align="center" valign="middle" width="150"><a href="#top"><img class="sprite-arrow_subsilver_up" src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="Back to top" loading="lazy" /></a> <a href="#bottom"><img class="sprite-arrow_subsilver_down" src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="Go down" loading="lazy" /></a></td><td class="row2 messaging gensmall" width="100%" height="28"><table border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"><tr><td valign="middle"> </td></tr></table></td></tr><tr class="post post--337461" id="p337461" style=""><td class="row1" valign="top" width="150"><span class="name"><a name="337461" style="position: relative; top: -30px; width: 1px;" id="337461"></a><strong>XYZ</strong></span><br /><span class="postdetails poster-profile">Card-carrying Van Halen Freak<br /><img loading="lazy" src="https://2img.net/u/3215/80/92/40/avatars/459-60.jpg" alt="XYZ" style="max-width: 150px; max-height: 150px" /><br /><br /><div class="dd_award right"></div><div class="award_more"></div><br><span class="label"><span style="color:#ffffff;">Number of posts</span> : </span> 2600<br /><span class="label"><span style="color:#ffffff;">Age</span> : </span> 35<br /></span><br /><img src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="Why Switzerland is left alone? Empty" style="width:150px;height:1px" /></td><td class="row1" valign="top" width="100%" height="100%"><table width="100%" height="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"><tr><td><span class="postdetails"><img src="https://2img.net/i/fa/extremedarkred/icon_minipost.gif" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" />Subject: Re: Why Switzerland is left alone? <img src="https://2img.net/i/fa/icon_minitime.gif" alt="Why Switzerland is left alone? Icon_minitime" border="0" />Thu May 06, 2010 8:43 pm</span></td><td valign="top" nowrap="nowrap" class="post-options"> </td></tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="hr"><hr /></td></tr><tr height="100%" valign="top"><td colspan="2"><div class="postbody"><div>I have heard of this. Still, I'm happy here in America.</div><div class="clear"></div></div><span class="gensmall"></span></td></tr><tr><td colspan="2"><div class="fa_like_div"><p class="fa_like_list" style="display: none;"></p><button class="rep-button " data-href="" data-href-rm=""><svg width="15px" height="15px" viewBox="0 0 1792 1792" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><path d="M320 1344q0-26-19-45t-45-19q-27 0-45.5 19t-18.5 45q0 27 18.5 45.5t45.5 18.5q26 0 45-18.5t19-45.5zm160-512v640q0 26-19 45t-45 19h-288q-26 0-45-19t-19-45v-640q0-26 19-45t45-19h288q26 0 45 19t19 45zm1184 0q0 86-55 149 15 44 15 76 3 76-43 137 17 56 0 117-15 57-54 94 9 112-49 181-64 76-197 78h-129q-66 0-144-15.5t-121.5-29-120.5-39.5q-123-43-158-44-26-1-45-19.5t-19-44.5v-641q0-25 18-43.5t43-20.5q24-2 76-59t101-121q68-87 101-120 18-18 31-48t17.5-48.5 13.5-60.5q7-39 12.5-61t19.5-52 34-50q19-19 45-19 46 0 82.5 10.5t60 26 40 40.5 24 45 12 50 5 45 .5 39q0 38-9.5 76t-19 60-27.5 56q-3 6-10 18t-11 22-8 24h277q78 0 135 57t57 135z" fill="#666"/></svg><span>Like</span><span class="rep-nb" style="display:none;"></span></button><button class="rep-button " data-href="" data-href-rm=""><svg width="15px" height="15px" viewBox="0 0 1792 1792" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><path d="M320 576q0 26-19 45t-45 19q-27 0-45.5-19t-18.5-45q0-27 18.5-45.5t45.5-18.5q26 0 45 18.5t19 45.5zm160 512v-640q0-26-19-45t-45-19h-288q-26 0-45 19t-19 45v640q0 26 19 45t45 19h288q26 0 45-19t19-45zm1129-149q55 61 55 149-1 78-57.5 135t-134.5 57h-277q4 14 8 24t11 22 10 18q18 37 27 57t19 58.5 10 76.5q0 24-.5 39t-5 45-12 50-24 45-40 40.5-60 26-82.5 10.5q-26 0-45-19-20-20-34-50t-19.5-52-12.5-61q-9-42-13.5-60.5t-17.5-48.5-31-48q-33-33-101-120-49-64-101-121t-76-59q-25-2-43-20.5t-18-43.5v-641q0-26 19-44.5t45-19.5q35-1 158-44 77-26 120.5-39.5t121.5-29 144-15.5h129q133 2 197 78 58 69 49 181 39 37 54 94 17 61 0 117 46 61 43 137 0 32-15 76z" fill="#666"/></svg><span>Dislike</span><span class="rep-nb" style="display:none;"></span></button></div></td></tr></table></td></tr><tr class="post--337461" style=""><td class="row1 browse-arrows" align="center" valign="middle" width="150"><a href="#top"><img class="sprite-arrow_subsilver_up" src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="Back to top" loading="lazy" /></a> <a href="#bottom"><img class="sprite-arrow_subsilver_down" src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="Go down" loading="lazy" /></a></td><td class="row1 messaging gensmall" width="100%" height="28"><table border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"><tr><td valign="middle"> </td></tr></table></td></tr><tr class="post post--337557" id="p337557" style=""><td class="row2" valign="top" width="150"><span class="name"><a name="337557" style="position: relative; top: -30px; width: 1px;" id="337557"></a><strong>Guest</strong></span><br /><span class="postdetails poster-profile">Guest<br /><br /><br /><div class="dd_award right"></div><div class="award_more"></div><br></span><br /><img src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="Why Switzerland is left alone? Empty" style="width:150px;height:1px" /></td><td class="row2" valign="top" width="100%" height="100%"><table width="100%" height="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"><tr><td><span class="postdetails"><img src="https://2img.net/i/fa/extremedarkred/icon_minipost.gif" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" />Subject: Re: Why Switzerland is left alone? <img src="https://2img.net/i/fa/icon_minitime.gif" alt="Why Switzerland is left alone? Icon_minitime" border="0" />Thu May 06, 2010 11:46 pm</span></td><td valign="top" nowrap="nowrap" class="post-options"> </td></tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="hr"><hr /></td></tr><tr height="100%" valign="top"><td colspan="2"><div class="postbody"><div><dl class="codebox"> <dt><span class="genmed"><b>XYZ wrote:</b></span></dt> <dd class="quote">I have heard of this. Still, I'm happy here in America.</dd> </dl><br />...because he has a rocket launcher in the trunk of his car.<br /><br /> <img src="https://2img.net/i/fa/i/smiles/icon_biggrin.png" alt="Very Happy" longdesc="6" /></div><div class="clear"></div></div><span class="gensmall"></span></td></tr></table></td></tr><tr class="post--337557" style=""><td class="row2 browse-arrows" align="center" valign="middle" width="150"><a href="#top"><img class="sprite-arrow_subsilver_up" src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="Back to top" loading="lazy" /></a> <a href="#bottom"><img class="sprite-arrow_subsilver_down" src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="Go down" loading="lazy" /></a></td><td class="row2 messaging gensmall" width="100%" height="28"><table border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"><tr><td valign="middle"> </td></tr></table></td></tr><tr class="post post--337558" id="p337558" style=""><td class="row1" valign="top" width="150"><span class="name"><a name="337558" style="position: relative; top: -30px; width: 1px;" id="337558"></a><strong><span style="color:#F7A70A"><strong>exact33</strong></span></strong></span><br /><span class="postdetails poster-profile">The King<br /><img loading="lazy" src="https://2img.net/u/3215/80/92/40/avatars/94-54.jpg" alt="exact33" style="max-width: 150px; max-height: 150px" /><br /><br /><div class="dd_award right"></div><div class="award_more"></div><br><span class="label"><span style="color:#ffffff;">Number of posts</span> : </span> 23281<br /><span class="label"><span style="color:#ffffff;">Age</span> : </span> 50<br /></span><br /><img src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="Why Switzerland is left alone? Empty" style="width:150px;height:1px" /></td><td class="row1" valign="top" width="100%" height="100%"><table width="100%" height="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"><tr><td><span class="postdetails"><img src="https://2img.net/i/fa/extremedarkred/icon_minipost.gif" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" />Subject: Re: Why Switzerland is left alone? <img src="https://2img.net/i/fa/icon_minitime.gif" alt="Why Switzerland is left alone? Icon_minitime" border="0" />Thu May 06, 2010 11:50 pm</span></td><td valign="top" nowrap="nowrap" class="post-options"> </td></tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="hr"><hr /></td></tr><tr height="100%" valign="top"><td colspan="2"><div class="postbody"><div><dl class="codebox"> <dt><span class="genmed"><b>metalheaded wrote:</b></span></dt> <dd class="quote">I like what he says at the very end of the video, and it rings totally true:<br /><br /><i>"The key to freedom is the ability to be able to defend yourself. If you don't have the tools to do that, then you are at the mercy of whoever wants to put you away. The tools for that are guns."</i><br /><br />Right on, man. I bet those words wouldn't go over well here in the U.S. anymore...too much PC-ness.<br /><br />Might have to move to Switzerland soon. <img src="https://2img.net/i/fa/i/smiles/icon_lol.gif" border="0" alt="Why Switzerland is left alone? Icon_lol"/></dd> </dl> <br />I agree with the above.</div><div class="clear"></div><div class="signature_div"><br />_________________<br /><img src="https://i.servimg.com/u/f21/11/59/00/36/the_ki10.jpg" border="0" alt="Why Switzerland is left alone? 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Empty" style="width:150px;height:1px" /></td><td class="row2" valign="top" width="100%" height="100%"><table width="100%" height="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"><tr><td><span class="postdetails"><img src="https://2img.net/i/fa/extremedarkred/icon_minipost.gif" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" />Subject: Re: Why Switzerland is left alone? <img src="https://2img.net/i/fa/icon_minitime.gif" alt="Why Switzerland is left alone? Icon_minitime" border="0" />Fri May 07, 2010 12:36 am</span></td><td valign="top" nowrap="nowrap" class="post-options"> </td></tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="hr"><hr /></td></tr><tr height="100%" valign="top"><td colspan="2"><div class="postbody"><div><dl class="codebox"> <dt><span class="genmed"><b>detuned wrote:</b></span></dt> <dd class="quote"><dl class="codebox"> <dt><span class="genmed"><b>XYZ wrote:</b></span></dt> <dd class="quote">I have heard of this. Still, I'm happy here in America.</dd> </dl><br />...because he has a rocket launcher in the trunk of his car.<br /><br /> <img src="https://2img.net/i/fa/i/smiles/icon_biggrin.png" alt="Very Happy" longdesc="6" /></dd> </dl><br />Shhhhh..... <img src="https://2img.net/i/fa/i/smiles/lol.gif" border="0" alt="Why Switzerland is left alone? 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Empty" style="width:150px;height:1px" /></td><td class="row1" valign="top" width="100%" height="100%"><table width="100%" height="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"><tr><td><span class="postdetails"><img src="https://2img.net/i/fa/extremedarkred/icon_minipost.gif" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" />Subject: Re: Why Switzerland is left alone? <img src="https://2img.net/i/fa/icon_minitime.gif" alt="Why Switzerland is left alone? Icon_minitime" border="0" />Fri May 07, 2010 3:59 am</span></td><td valign="top" nowrap="nowrap" class="post-options"> </td></tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="hr"><hr /></td></tr><tr height="100%" valign="top"><td colspan="2"><div class="postbody"><div>We have a similar system in Norway, it`s mandatory for young men to join the military for at least one year and a lot of us are still in the system and have guns at home.<br />I have a Heckler and Koch MP5 in my bedroom closet <img src="https://2img.net/i/fa/i/smiles/icon_smile.gif" alt="Smile" longdesc="4" /> .<br /><br />BUT, to say that this is the reason why Switzerland has a low crime rate is simplifying the whole situation and using part of the truth to push your own opinions.<br />Also known as politics <img src="https://2img.net/i/fa/i/smiles/icon_smile.gif" alt="Smile" longdesc="4" /> <br />There are countries in the world where you get your hand cut off for shoplifting, yet the crime rate is sky high. <br />Switzerland is a tiny country with a population of 7,5 million, that`s a million less than New York city so it`s hard to compare to your country...<br /><br />You christian cowboys should speed up your bible reading and get to the chapter called the new testament.<br />There are some fascinating stories about a pretty naive guy who went on about turning cheeks, loving and forgiving your enemy, do unto others bla bla bla.<br /><br />Imagine the surprise if he came back 2000 years later only to find that his followers were a bunch of gun crazy hillbillies.....<br /> <img src="https://2img.net/i/fa/i/smiles/lol.gif" alt="lol!" longdesc="1" /></div><div class="clear"></div></div><span class="gensmall"></span></td></tr><tr><td colspan="2"><div class="fa_like_div"><p class="fa_like_list" style="display: none;"></p><button class="rep-button " data-href="" data-href-rm=""><svg width="15px" height="15px" viewBox="0 0 1792 1792" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><path d="M320 1344q0-26-19-45t-45-19q-27 0-45.5 19t-18.5 45q0 27 18.5 45.5t45.5 18.5q26 0 45-18.5t19-45.5zm160-512v640q0 26-19 45t-45 19h-288q-26 0-45-19t-19-45v-640q0-26 19-45t45-19h288q26 0 45 19t19 45zm1184 0q0 86-55 149 15 44 15 76 3 76-43 137 17 56 0 117-15 57-54 94 9 112-49 181-64 76-197 78h-129q-66 0-144-15.5t-121.5-29-120.5-39.5q-123-43-158-44-26-1-45-19.5t-19-44.5v-641q0-25 18-43.5t43-20.5q24-2 76-59t101-121q68-87 101-120 18-18 31-48t17.5-48.5 13.5-60.5q7-39 12.5-61t19.5-52 34-50q19-19 45-19 46 0 82.5 10.5t60 26 40 40.5 24 45 12 50 5 45 .5 39q0 38-9.5 76t-19 60-27.5 56q-3 6-10 18t-11 22-8 24h277q78 0 135 57t57 135z" fill="#666"/></svg><span>Like</span><span class="rep-nb" style="display:none;"></span></button><button class="rep-button " data-href="" data-href-rm=""><svg width="15px" height="15px" viewBox="0 0 1792 1792" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><path d="M320 576q0 26-19 45t-45 19q-27 0-45.5-19t-18.5-45q0-27 18.5-45.5t45.5-18.5q26 0 45 18.5t19 45.5zm160 512v-640q0-26-19-45t-45-19h-288q-26 0-45 19t-19 45v640q0 26 19 45t45 19h288q26 0 45-19t19-45zm1129-149q55 61 55 149-1 78-57.5 135t-134.5 57h-277q4 14 8 24t11 22 10 18q18 37 27 57t19 58.5 10 76.5q0 24-.5 39t-5 45-12 50-24 45-40 40.5-60 26-82.5 10.5q-26 0-45-19-20-20-34-50t-19.5-52-12.5-61q-9-42-13.5-60.5t-17.5-48.5-31-48q-33-33-101-120-49-64-101-121t-76-59q-25-2-43-20.5t-18-43.5v-641q0-26 19-44.5t45-19.5q35-1 158-44 77-26 120.5-39.5t121.5-29 144-15.5h129q133 2 197 78 58 69 49 181 39 37 54 94 17 61 0 117 46 61 43 137 0 32-15 76z" fill="#666"/></svg><span>Dislike</span><span class="rep-nb" style="display:none;"></span></button></div></td></tr></table></td></tr><tr class="post--337604" style=""><td class="row1 browse-arrows" align="center" valign="middle" width="150"><a href="#top"><img class="sprite-arrow_subsilver_up" src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="Back to top" loading="lazy" /></a> <a href="#bottom"><img class="sprite-arrow_subsilver_down" src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="Go down" loading="lazy" /></a></td><td class="row1 messaging gensmall" width="100%" height="28"><table border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"><tr><td valign="middle"> <a href="http://www.myspace.com/olafsto" title="Visit poster's website" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"><img src="https://2img.net/i/fa/extremedarkred/icon_www.gif" alt="http://www.myspace.com/olafsto" /></a> </td></tr></table></td></tr><tr class="post post--337636" id="p337636" style=""><td class="row2" valign="top" width="150"><span class="name"><a name="337636" style="position: relative; top: -30px; width: 1px;" id="337636"></a><strong><span style="color:#F7A70A"><strong>exact33</strong></span></strong></span><br /><span class="postdetails poster-profile">The King<br /><img loading="lazy" src="https://2img.net/u/3215/80/92/40/avatars/94-54.jpg" alt="exact33" style="max-width: 150px; max-height: 150px" /><br /><br /><div class="dd_award right"></div><div class="award_more"></div><br><span class="label"><span style="color:#ffffff;">Number of posts</span> : </span> 23281<br /><span class="label"><span style="color:#ffffff;">Age</span> : </span> 50<br /></span><br /><img src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="Why Switzerland is left alone? 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Icon_minitime" border="0" />Fri May 07, 2010 8:18 am</span></td><td valign="top" nowrap="nowrap" class="post-options"> </td></tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="hr"><hr /></td></tr><tr height="100%" valign="top"><td colspan="2"><div class="postbody"><div><dl class="codebox"> <dt><span class="genmed"><b>Olafsto wrote:</b></span></dt> <dd class="quote"><br />You christian cowboys should speed up your bible reading and get to the chapter called the new testament.<br />There are some fascinating stories about a pretty naive guy who went on about turning cheeks, loving and forgiving your enemy, do unto others bla bla bla.<br /><br />Imagine the surprise if he came back 2000 years later only to find that his followers were a bunch of gun crazy hillbillies.....<br /><img src="https://2img.net/i/fa/i/smiles/lol.gif" border="0" alt="Why Switzerland is left alone? Lol"/></dd> </dl> <br />but the problem is those stereotypes persist. The people I know who own guns use them for either 1. hunting and 2. competitive shooting. This idea that everyone is a gun-toting hillbilly is an exageration and myth from those who want to take guns away from those who use them lawfully. If the US actually enforced the gun laws on the books and left those who own guns legally alone, gun crime would go way down. The vast majority of gun crime is committed by people who do not obtain the guns legally. And this is important - guns dont kill - its the people who use them.</div><div class="clear"></div><div class="signature_div"><br />_________________<br /><img src="https://i.servimg.com/u/f21/11/59/00/36/the_ki10.jpg" border="0" alt="Why Switzerland is left alone? 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Icon_minitime" border="0" />Fri May 07, 2010 9:48 am</span></td><td valign="top" nowrap="nowrap" class="post-options"> </td></tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="hr"><hr /></td></tr><tr height="100%" valign="top"><td colspan="2"><div class="postbody"><div><dl class="codebox"> <dt><span class="genmed"><b>Olafsto wrote:</b></span></dt> <dd class="quote"><br />There are countries in the world where you get your hand cut off for shoplifting, yet the crime rate is sky high. <br />Switzerland is a tiny country with a population of 7,5 million, that`s a million less than New York city so it`s hard to compare to your country...</dd> </dl><br />Yup, that's the thing. You nailed it. There are dozens of other factors to account for a low crime rate.<br /><br /><dl class="codebox"> <dt><span class="genmed"><b>exact33 wrote:</b></span></dt> <dd class="quote">And this is important - guns dont kill - its the people who use them.</dd> </dl><br />But they sure as hell make it a lot easier...</div><div class="clear"></div></div><span class="gensmall"></span></td></tr><tr><td colspan="2"><div class="fa_like_div"><p class="fa_like_list" style="display: none;"></p><button class="rep-button " data-href="" data-href-rm=""><svg width="15px" height="15px" viewBox="0 0 1792 1792" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><path d="M320 1344q0-26-19-45t-45-19q-27 0-45.5 19t-18.5 45q0 27 18.5 45.5t45.5 18.5q26 0 45-18.5t19-45.5zm160-512v640q0 26-19 45t-45 19h-288q-26 0-45-19t-19-45v-640q0-26 19-45t45-19h288q26 0 45 19t19 45zm1184 0q0 86-55 149 15 44 15 76 3 76-43 137 17 56 0 117-15 57-54 94 9 112-49 181-64 76-197 78h-129q-66 0-144-15.5t-121.5-29-120.5-39.5q-123-43-158-44-26-1-45-19.5t-19-44.5v-641q0-25 18-43.5t43-20.5q24-2 76-59t101-121q68-87 101-120 18-18 31-48t17.5-48.5 13.5-60.5q7-39 12.5-61t19.5-52 34-50q19-19 45-19 46 0 82.5 10.5t60 26 40 40.5 24 45 12 50 5 45 .5 39q0 38-9.5 76t-19 60-27.5 56q-3 6-10 18t-11 22-8 24h277q78 0 135 57t57 135z" fill="#666"/></svg><span>Like</span><span class="rep-nb" style="display:none;"></span></button><button class="rep-button " data-href="" data-href-rm=""><svg width="15px" height="15px" viewBox="0 0 1792 1792" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><path d="M320 576q0 26-19 45t-45 19q-27 0-45.5-19t-18.5-45q0-27 18.5-45.5t45.5-18.5q26 0 45 18.5t19 45.5zm160 512v-640q0-26-19-45t-45-19h-288q-26 0-45 19t-19 45v640q0 26 19 45t45 19h288q26 0 45-19t19-45zm1129-149q55 61 55 149-1 78-57.5 135t-134.5 57h-277q4 14 8 24t11 22 10 18q18 37 27 57t19 58.5 10 76.5q0 24-.5 39t-5 45-12 50-24 45-40 40.5-60 26-82.5 10.5q-26 0-45-19-20-20-34-50t-19.5-52-12.5-61q-9-42-13.5-60.5t-17.5-48.5-31-48q-33-33-101-120-49-64-101-121t-76-59q-25-2-43-20.5t-18-43.5v-641q0-26 19-44.5t45-19.5q35-1 158-44 77-26 120.5-39.5t121.5-29 144-15.5h129q133 2 197 78 58 69 49 181 39 37 54 94 17 61 0 117 46 61 43 137 0 32-15 76z" fill="#666"/></svg><span>Dislike</span><span class="rep-nb" style="display:none;"></span></button></div></td></tr></table></td></tr><tr class="post--337720" style=""><td class="row1 browse-arrows" align="center" valign="middle" width="150"><a href="#top"><img class="sprite-arrow_subsilver_up" src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="Back to top" loading="lazy" /></a> <a href="#bottom"><img class="sprite-arrow_subsilver_down" src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="Go down" loading="lazy" /></a></td><td class="row1 messaging gensmall" width="100%" height="28"><table border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"><tr><td valign="middle"> </td></tr></table></td></tr><tr class="post post--337738" id="p337738" style=""><td class="row2" valign="top" width="150"><span class="name"><a name="337738" style="position: relative; top: -30px; width: 1px;" id="337738"></a><strong><span style="color:#F7A70A"><strong>manny</strong></span></strong></span><br /><span class="postdetails poster-profile">mini boss<br /><img src="https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v206/kmorg/Boards/mod.jpg" alt="mini boss" title="mini boss" loading="lazy" /><br /><img loading="lazy" src="https://2img.net/u/3215/80/92/40/avatars/649-56.jpg" alt="manny" style="max-width: 150px; max-height: 150px" /><br /><br /><div class="dd_award right"></div><div class="award_more"></div><br><span class="label"><span style="color:#ffffff;">Number of posts</span> : </span> 21101<br /><span class="label"><span style="color:#ffffff;">Age</span> : </span> 54<br /></span><br /><img src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="Why Switzerland is left alone? 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Icon_minitime" border="0" />Fri May 07, 2010 10:02 am</span></td><td valign="top" nowrap="nowrap" class="post-options"> </td></tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="hr"><hr /></td></tr><tr height="100%" valign="top"><td colspan="2"><div class="postbody"><div>I agree with both Olastfo statement and exact 33's statement.<br /> <br />I think the answers of the differences between the United States and Switzerland are too numerous to name and alot more complicated.<br /> <br />While I suspect that exact33 maybe on the opposite sides of the political fence, I agree with his statement regarding gun laws, I have no desire to take away anyone's guns, I feel most gun laws in the US are usually very reactionary, and do little if anything to stop gun violence.</div><div class="clear"></div></div><span class="gensmall"></span></td></tr><tr><td colspan="2"><div class="fa_like_div"><p class="fa_like_list" style="display: none;"></p><button class="rep-button " data-href="" data-href-rm=""><svg width="15px" height="15px" viewBox="0 0 1792 1792" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><path d="M320 1344q0-26-19-45t-45-19q-27 0-45.5 19t-18.5 45q0 27 18.5 45.5t45.5 18.5q26 0 45-18.5t19-45.5zm160-512v640q0 26-19 45t-45 19h-288q-26 0-45-19t-19-45v-640q0-26 19-45t45-19h288q26 0 45 19t19 45zm1184 0q0 86-55 149 15 44 15 76 3 76-43 137 17 56 0 117-15 57-54 94 9 112-49 181-64 76-197 78h-129q-66 0-144-15.5t-121.5-29-120.5-39.5q-123-43-158-44-26-1-45-19.5t-19-44.5v-641q0-25 18-43.5t43-20.5q24-2 76-59t101-121q68-87 101-120 18-18 31-48t17.5-48.5 13.5-60.5q7-39 12.5-61t19.5-52 34-50q19-19 45-19 46 0 82.5 10.5t60 26 40 40.5 24 45 12 50 5 45 .5 39q0 38-9.5 76t-19 60-27.5 56q-3 6-10 18t-11 22-8 24h277q78 0 135 57t57 135z" fill="#666"/></svg><span>Like</span><span class="rep-nb" style="display:none;"></span></button><button class="rep-button " data-href="" data-href-rm=""><svg width="15px" height="15px" viewBox="0 0 1792 1792" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><path d="M320 576q0 26-19 45t-45 19q-27 0-45.5-19t-18.5-45q0-27 18.5-45.5t45.5-18.5q26 0 45 18.5t19 45.5zm160 512v-640q0-26-19-45t-45-19h-288q-26 0-45 19t-19 45v640q0 26 19 45t45 19h288q26 0 45-19t19-45zm1129-149q55 61 55 149-1 78-57.5 135t-134.5 57h-277q4 14 8 24t11 22 10 18q18 37 27 57t19 58.5 10 76.5q0 24-.5 39t-5 45-12 50-24 45-40 40.5-60 26-82.5 10.5q-26 0-45-19-20-20-34-50t-19.5-52-12.5-61q-9-42-13.5-60.5t-17.5-48.5-31-48q-33-33-101-120-49-64-101-121t-76-59q-25-2-43-20.5t-18-43.5v-641q0-26 19-44.5t45-19.5q35-1 158-44 77-26 120.5-39.5t121.5-29 144-15.5h129q133 2 197 78 58 69 49 181 39 37 54 94 17 61 0 117 46 61 43 137 0 32-15 76z" fill="#666"/></svg><span>Dislike</span><span class="rep-nb" style="display:none;"></span></button></div></td></tr></table></td></tr><tr class="post--337738" style=""><td class="row2 browse-arrows" align="center" valign="middle" width="150"><a href="#top"><img class="sprite-arrow_subsilver_up" src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="Back to top" loading="lazy" /></a> <a href="#bottom"><img class="sprite-arrow_subsilver_down" src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="Go down" loading="lazy" /></a></td><td class="row2 messaging gensmall" width="100%" height="28"><table border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"><tr><td valign="middle"> </td></tr></table></td></tr><tr class="post post--337739" id="p337739" style=""><td class="row1" valign="top" width="150"><span class="name"><a name="337739" style="position: relative; top: -30px; width: 1px;" id="337739"></a><strong>Dave the Boss</strong></span><br /><span class="postdetails poster-profile">Metal is in my blood<br /><img src="https://2img.net/i/itest/ranks/default/default6.gif" alt="Metal is in my blood" title="Metal is in my blood" loading="lazy" /><br /><img loading="lazy" src="https://2img.net/u/3215/80/92/40/avatars/890-34.jpg" alt="Dave the Boss" style="max-width: 150px; max-height: 150px" /><br /><br /><div class="dd_award right"></div><div class="award_more"></div><br><span class="label"><span style="color:#ffffff;">Number of posts</span> : </span> 2690<br /><span class="label"><span style="color:#ffffff;">Age</span> : </span> 33<br /></span><br /><img src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="Why Switzerland is left alone? 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If you don't have the tools to do that, then you are at the mercy of whoever wants to put you away. The tools for that are guns."</i><br /><br />Right on, man. I bet those words wouldn't go over well here in the U.S. anymore...too much PC-ness.<br /><br />Might have to move to Switzerland soon. <img src="https://2img.net/i/fa/i/smiles/icon_lol.gif" alt="Laughing" longdesc="3" /></dd> </dl><br />Sorry, but that is absolute bull, and goes straight against the social contract theory, one of the foundations of western political thinking. Besides, what about European countries that have strict gun control laws? In Holland it takes a lot of paperwork and money to get a gun permit, and when you have a gun police officers can check randomly if you still have the same amount of bullets you had last time and if it's stored properly. I dunno what you think, but my freedom is pretty secure as far as I can tell.</div><div class="clear"></div></div><span class="gensmall"></span></td></tr><tr><td colspan="2"><div class="fa_like_div"><p class="fa_like_list" style="display: none;"></p><button class="rep-button " data-href="" data-href-rm=""><svg width="15px" height="15px" viewBox="0 0 1792 1792" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><path d="M320 1344q0-26-19-45t-45-19q-27 0-45.5 19t-18.5 45q0 27 18.5 45.5t45.5 18.5q26 0 45-18.5t19-45.5zm160-512v640q0 26-19 45t-45 19h-288q-26 0-45-19t-19-45v-640q0-26 19-45t45-19h288q26 0 45 19t19 45zm1184 0q0 86-55 149 15 44 15 76 3 76-43 137 17 56 0 117-15 57-54 94 9 112-49 181-64 76-197 78h-129q-66 0-144-15.5t-121.5-29-120.5-39.5q-123-43-158-44-26-1-45-19.5t-19-44.5v-641q0-25 18-43.5t43-20.5q24-2 76-59t101-121q68-87 101-120 18-18 31-48t17.5-48.5 13.5-60.5q7-39 12.5-61t19.5-52 34-50q19-19 45-19 46 0 82.5 10.5t60 26 40 40.5 24 45 12 50 5 45 .5 39q0 38-9.5 76t-19 60-27.5 56q-3 6-10 18t-11 22-8 24h277q78 0 135 57t57 135z" fill="#666"/></svg><span>Like</span><span class="rep-nb" style="display:none;"></span></button><button class="rep-button " data-href="" data-href-rm=""><svg width="15px" height="15px" viewBox="0 0 1792 1792" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><path d="M320 576q0 26-19 45t-45 19q-27 0-45.5-19t-18.5-45q0-27 18.5-45.5t45.5-18.5q26 0 45 18.5t19 45.5zm160 512v-640q0-26-19-45t-45-19h-288q-26 0-45 19t-19 45v640q0 26 19 45t45 19h288q26 0 45-19t19-45zm1129-149q55 61 55 149-1 78-57.5 135t-134.5 57h-277q4 14 8 24t11 22 10 18q18 37 27 57t19 58.5 10 76.5q0 24-.5 39t-5 45-12 50-24 45-40 40.5-60 26-82.5 10.5q-26 0-45-19-20-20-34-50t-19.5-52-12.5-61q-9-42-13.5-60.5t-17.5-48.5-31-48q-33-33-101-120-49-64-101-121t-76-59q-25-2-43-20.5t-18-43.5v-641q0-26 19-44.5t45-19.5q35-1 158-44 77-26 120.5-39.5t121.5-29 144-15.5h129q133 2 197 78 58 69 49 181 39 37 54 94 17 61 0 117 46 61 43 137 0 32-15 76z" fill="#666"/></svg><span>Dislike</span><span class="rep-nb" style="display:none;"></span></button></div></td></tr></table></td></tr><tr class="post--337739" style=""><td class="row1 browse-arrows" align="center" valign="middle" width="150"><a href="#top"><img class="sprite-arrow_subsilver_up" src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="Back to top" loading="lazy" /></a> <a href="#bottom"><img class="sprite-arrow_subsilver_down" src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="Go down" loading="lazy" /></a></td><td class="row1 messaging gensmall" width="100%" height="28"><table border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"><tr><td valign="middle"> </td></tr></table></td></tr><tr class="post post--337748" id="p337748" style=""><td class="row2" valign="top" width="150"><span class="name"><a name="337748" style="position: relative; top: -30px; width: 1px;" id="337748"></a><strong>Dave the Boss</strong></span><br /><span class="postdetails poster-profile">Metal is in my blood<br /><img src="https://2img.net/i/itest/ranks/default/default6.gif" alt="Metal is in my blood" title="Metal is in my blood" loading="lazy" /><br /><img loading="lazy" src="https://2img.net/u/3215/80/92/40/avatars/890-34.jpg" alt="Dave the Boss" style="max-width: 150px; max-height: 150px" /><br /><br /><div class="dd_award right"></div><div class="award_more"></div><br><span class="label"><span style="color:#ffffff;">Number of posts</span> : </span> 2690<br /><span class="label"><span style="color:#ffffff;">Age</span> : </span> 33<br /></span><br /><img src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="Why Switzerland is left alone? 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This is also why I have something against blanket statements like "you need to have a gun to be free" or something (not that I'm quoting anyone on the board). Personally, I'm not pro-gun, but I'm not anti-gun either, but I do not consider owning a gun a fundamental right (must be a cultural thing huh <img src="https://2img.net/i/fa/i/smiles/icon_lol.gif" alt="Laughing" longdesc="3" />).</div><div class="clear"></div></div><span class="gensmall"></span></td></tr><tr><td colspan="2"><div class="fa_like_div"><p class="fa_like_list" style="display: none;"></p><button class="rep-button " data-href="" data-href-rm=""><svg width="15px" height="15px" viewBox="0 0 1792 1792" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><path d="M320 1344q0-26-19-45t-45-19q-27 0-45.5 19t-18.5 45q0 27 18.5 45.5t45.5 18.5q26 0 45-18.5t19-45.5zm160-512v640q0 26-19 45t-45 19h-288q-26 0-45-19t-19-45v-640q0-26 19-45t45-19h288q26 0 45 19t19 45zm1184 0q0 86-55 149 15 44 15 76 3 76-43 137 17 56 0 117-15 57-54 94 9 112-49 181-64 76-197 78h-129q-66 0-144-15.5t-121.5-29-120.5-39.5q-123-43-158-44-26-1-45-19.5t-19-44.5v-641q0-25 18-43.5t43-20.5q24-2 76-59t101-121q68-87 101-120 18-18 31-48t17.5-48.5 13.5-60.5q7-39 12.5-61t19.5-52 34-50q19-19 45-19 46 0 82.5 10.5t60 26 40 40.5 24 45 12 50 5 45 .5 39q0 38-9.5 76t-19 60-27.5 56q-3 6-10 18t-11 22-8 24h277q78 0 135 57t57 135z" fill="#666"/></svg><span>Like</span><span class="rep-nb" style="display:none;"></span></button><button class="rep-button " data-href="" data-href-rm=""><svg width="15px" height="15px" viewBox="0 0 1792 1792" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><path d="M320 576q0 26-19 45t-45 19q-27 0-45.5-19t-18.5-45q0-27 18.5-45.5t45.5-18.5q26 0 45 18.5t19 45.5zm160 512v-640q0-26-19-45t-45-19h-288q-26 0-45 19t-19 45v640q0 26 19 45t45 19h288q26 0 45-19t19-45zm1129-149q55 61 55 149-1 78-57.5 135t-134.5 57h-277q4 14 8 24t11 22 10 18q18 37 27 57t19 58.5 10 76.5q0 24-.5 39t-5 45-12 50-24 45-40 40.5-60 26-82.5 10.5q-26 0-45-19-20-20-34-50t-19.5-52-12.5-61q-9-42-13.5-60.5t-17.5-48.5-31-48q-33-33-101-120-49-64-101-121t-76-59q-25-2-43-20.5t-18-43.5v-641q0-26 19-44.5t45-19.5q35-1 158-44 77-26 120.5-39.5t121.5-29 144-15.5h129q133 2 197 78 58 69 49 181 39 37 54 94 17 61 0 117 46 61 43 137 0 32-15 76z" fill="#666"/></svg><span>Dislike</span><span class="rep-nb" style="display:none;"></span></button></div></td></tr></table></td></tr><tr class="post--337748" style=""><td class="row2 browse-arrows" align="center" valign="middle" width="150"><a href="#top"><img class="sprite-arrow_subsilver_up" src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="Back to top" loading="lazy" /></a> <a href="#bottom"><img class="sprite-arrow_subsilver_down" src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="Go down" loading="lazy" /></a></td><td class="row2 messaging gensmall" width="100%" height="28"><table border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"><tr><td valign="middle"> </td></tr></table></td></tr><tr class="post post--337767" id="p337767" style=""><td class="row1" valign="top" width="150"><span class="name"><a name="337767" style="position: relative; top: -30px; width: 1px;" id="337767"></a><strong>scottmitchell74</strong></span><br /><span class="postdetails poster-profile">Jada Pinkett Smith's Cabana Boy<br /><img loading="lazy" src="https://2img.net/u/3215/80/92/40/avatars/24-29.jpg" alt="scottmitchell74" style="max-width: 150px; max-height: 150px" /><br /><br /><div class="dd_award right"></div><div class="award_more"></div><br><span class="label"><span style="color:#ffffff;">Number of posts</span> : </span> 9052<br /><span class="label"><span style="color:#ffffff;">Age</span> : </span> 50<br /></span><br /><img src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="Why Switzerland is left alone? 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Icon_minitime" border="0" />Fri May 07, 2010 10:36 am</span></td><td valign="top" nowrap="nowrap" class="post-options"> </td></tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="hr"><hr /></td></tr><tr height="100%" valign="top"><td colspan="2"><div class="postbody"><div>Yikes, this thread... <img src="https://2img.net/h/www.heartofmetal.net/users/3215/80/92/40/smiles/47715.gif" border="0" alt="Why Switzerland is left alone? 47715"/></div><div class="clear"></div></div><span class="gensmall"></span></td></tr><tr><td colspan="2"><div class="fa_like_div"><p class="fa_like_list" style="display: none;"></p><button class="rep-button " data-href="" data-href-rm=""><svg width="15px" height="15px" viewBox="0 0 1792 1792" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><path d="M320 1344q0-26-19-45t-45-19q-27 0-45.5 19t-18.5 45q0 27 18.5 45.5t45.5 18.5q26 0 45-18.5t19-45.5zm160-512v640q0 26-19 45t-45 19h-288q-26 0-45-19t-19-45v-640q0-26 19-45t45-19h288q26 0 45 19t19 45zm1184 0q0 86-55 149 15 44 15 76 3 76-43 137 17 56 0 117-15 57-54 94 9 112-49 181-64 76-197 78h-129q-66 0-144-15.5t-121.5-29-120.5-39.5q-123-43-158-44-26-1-45-19.5t-19-44.5v-641q0-25 18-43.5t43-20.5q24-2 76-59t101-121q68-87 101-120 18-18 31-48t17.5-48.5 13.5-60.5q7-39 12.5-61t19.5-52 34-50q19-19 45-19 46 0 82.5 10.5t60 26 40 40.5 24 45 12 50 5 45 .5 39q0 38-9.5 76t-19 60-27.5 56q-3 6-10 18t-11 22-8 24h277q78 0 135 57t57 135z" fill="#666"/></svg><span>Like</span><span class="rep-nb" style="display:none;"></span></button><button class="rep-button " data-href="" data-href-rm=""><svg width="15px" height="15px" viewBox="0 0 1792 1792" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><path d="M320 576q0 26-19 45t-45 19q-27 0-45.5-19t-18.5-45q0-27 18.5-45.5t45.5-18.5q26 0 45 18.5t19 45.5zm160 512v-640q0-26-19-45t-45-19h-288q-26 0-45 19t-19 45v640q0 26 19 45t45 19h288q26 0 45-19t19-45zm1129-149q55 61 55 149-1 78-57.5 135t-134.5 57h-277q4 14 8 24t11 22 10 18q18 37 27 57t19 58.5 10 76.5q0 24-.5 39t-5 45-12 50-24 45-40 40.5-60 26-82.5 10.5q-26 0-45-19-20-20-34-50t-19.5-52-12.5-61q-9-42-13.5-60.5t-17.5-48.5-31-48q-33-33-101-120-49-64-101-121t-76-59q-25-2-43-20.5t-18-43.5v-641q0-26 19-44.5t45-19.5q35-1 158-44 77-26 120.5-39.5t121.5-29 144-15.5h129q133 2 197 78 58 69 49 181 39 37 54 94 17 61 0 117 46 61 43 137 0 32-15 76z" fill="#666"/></svg><span>Dislike</span><span class="rep-nb" style="display:none;"></span></button></div></td></tr></table></td></tr><tr class="post--337767" style=""><td class="row1 browse-arrows" align="center" valign="middle" width="150"><a href="#top"><img class="sprite-arrow_subsilver_up" src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="Back to top" loading="lazy" /></a> <a href="#bottom"><img class="sprite-arrow_subsilver_down" src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="Go down" loading="lazy" /></a></td><td class="row1 messaging gensmall" width="100%" height="28"><table border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"><tr><td valign="middle"> </td></tr></table></td></tr><tr class="post post--337785" id="p337785" style=""><td class="row2" valign="top" width="150"><span class="name"><a name="337785" style="position: relative; top: -30px; width: 1px;" id="337785"></a><strong>T-Roy</strong></span><br /><span class="postdetails poster-profile">Metal is in my blood<br /><img src="https://2img.net/i/itest/ranks/default/default6.gif" alt="Metal is in my blood" title="Metal is in my blood" loading="lazy" /><br /><img loading="lazy" src="https://2img.net/u/3215/80/92/40/avatars/275-25.jpg" alt="T-Roy" style="max-width: 150px; max-height: 150px" /><br /><br /><div class="dd_award right"></div><div class="award_more"></div><br><span class="label"><span style="color:#ffffff;">Number of posts</span> : </span> 4077<br /><span class="label"><span style="color:#ffffff;">Age</span> : </span> 51<br /></span><br /><img src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="Why Switzerland is left alone? 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Icon_minitime" border="0" />Fri May 07, 2010 11:33 am</span></td><td valign="top" nowrap="nowrap" class="post-options"> </td></tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="hr"><hr /></td></tr><tr height="100%" valign="top"><td colspan="2"><div class="postbody"><div><dl class="codebox"> <dt><span class="genmed"><b>Dave the Boss wrote:</b></span></dt> <dd class="quote"><dl class="codebox"> <dt><span class="genmed"><b>metalheaded wrote:</b></span></dt> <dd class="quote">I like what he says at the very end of the video, and it rings totally true:<br /><br /><i>"The key to freedom is the ability to be able to defend yourself. If you don't have the tools to do that, then you are at the mercy of whoever wants to put you away. The tools for that are guns."</i><br /><br />Right on, man. I bet those words wouldn't go over well here in the U.S. anymore...too much PC-ness.<br /><br />Might have to move to Switzerland soon. <img src="https://2img.net/i/fa/i/smiles/icon_lol.gif" alt="Laughing" longdesc="3" /></dd> </dl><br />Sorry, but that is absolute bull, and goes straight against the social contract theory, one of the foundations of western political thinking. Besides, what about European countries that have strict gun control laws? In Holland it takes a lot of paperwork and money to get a gun permit, and when you have a gun police officers can check randomly if you still have the same amount of bullets you had last time and if it's stored properly. I dunno what you think, but my freedom is pretty secure as far as I can tell.</dd> </dl>Just for debate sake, here is a brief definition of the social contract theory.<br /><br />"Social contract describes a broad class of theories that try to explain the ways in which people form states to maintain social order. The notion of the social contract implies that the people give up sovereignty to a government or other authority in order to receive or maintain social order through the rule of law. It can also be thought of as an agreement by the governed on a set of rules by which they are governed.<br /><br />Social contract theory formed a central pillar in the historically important notion that legitimate state authority must be derived from the consent of the governed. The starting point for most of these theories is a heuristic examination of the human condition absent from any structured social order, usually termed the “state of nature”. In this condition, an individual’s actions are bound only by his or her personal power, constrained by conscience. From this common starting point, the various proponents of social contract theory attempt to explain, in different ways, why it is in an individual’s rational self-interest to voluntarily give up the freedom one has in the state of nature in order to obtain the benefits of political order.<br /><br />Thomas Hobbes (1651), John Locke (1689) and Jean-Jacques Rousseau (1762) are the most famous philosophers of contractarianism. However, they drew quite different conclusions from this starting-point. Hobbes advocated an authoritarian monarchy, Locke advocated a liberal monarchy, while Rousseau advocated liberal republicanism. Their work provided theoretical groundwork of constitutional monarchy, liberal democracy and republicanism. The Social Contract was used in the Declaration of Independence as a sign of enforcing Democracy, and more recently has been revived by thinkers such as John Rawls."<br /><br />This "theory" has absolutely no context on the subject of gun control. <br /><br />A social contract is a willing agreement...a partnership. Which is exactly what Switzerland appears to have with their citizens. Switzerland is arguably the most peaceful country on the planet....the safest country on the planet and has been for decades. Considering where they are parked....that's something worth paying attention too. It has nothing to do with Christianity or America. But its predictable for that hate and sentiment to come out immediately...which it has.</div><div class="clear"></div></div><span class="gensmall"></span></td></tr><tr><td colspan="2"><div class="fa_like_div"><p class="fa_like_list" style="display: none;"></p><button class="rep-button " data-href="" data-href-rm=""><svg width="15px" height="15px" viewBox="0 0 1792 1792" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><path d="M320 1344q0-26-19-45t-45-19q-27 0-45.5 19t-18.5 45q0 27 18.5 45.5t45.5 18.5q26 0 45-18.5t19-45.5zm160-512v640q0 26-19 45t-45 19h-288q-26 0-45-19t-19-45v-640q0-26 19-45t45-19h288q26 0 45 19t19 45zm1184 0q0 86-55 149 15 44 15 76 3 76-43 137 17 56 0 117-15 57-54 94 9 112-49 181-64 76-197 78h-129q-66 0-144-15.5t-121.5-29-120.5-39.5q-123-43-158-44-26-1-45-19.5t-19-44.5v-641q0-25 18-43.5t43-20.5q24-2 76-59t101-121q68-87 101-120 18-18 31-48t17.5-48.5 13.5-60.5q7-39 12.5-61t19.5-52 34-50q19-19 45-19 46 0 82.5 10.5t60 26 40 40.5 24 45 12 50 5 45 .5 39q0 38-9.5 76t-19 60-27.5 56q-3 6-10 18t-11 22-8 24h277q78 0 135 57t57 135z" fill="#666"/></svg><span>Like</span><span class="rep-nb" style="display:none;"></span></button><button class="rep-button " data-href="" data-href-rm=""><svg width="15px" height="15px" viewBox="0 0 1792 1792" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><path d="M320 576q0 26-19 45t-45 19q-27 0-45.5-19t-18.5-45q0-27 18.5-45.5t45.5-18.5q26 0 45 18.5t19 45.5zm160 512v-640q0-26-19-45t-45-19h-288q-26 0-45 19t-19 45v640q0 26 19 45t45 19h288q26 0 45-19t19-45zm1129-149q55 61 55 149-1 78-57.5 135t-134.5 57h-277q4 14 8 24t11 22 10 18q18 37 27 57t19 58.5 10 76.5q0 24-.5 39t-5 45-12 50-24 45-40 40.5-60 26-82.5 10.5q-26 0-45-19-20-20-34-50t-19.5-52-12.5-61q-9-42-13.5-60.5t-17.5-48.5-31-48q-33-33-101-120-49-64-101-121t-76-59q-25-2-43-20.5t-18-43.5v-641q0-26 19-44.5t45-19.5q35-1 158-44 77-26 120.5-39.5t121.5-29 144-15.5h129q133 2 197 78 58 69 49 181 39 37 54 94 17 61 0 117 46 61 43 137 0 32-15 76z" fill="#666"/></svg><span>Dislike</span><span class="rep-nb" style="display:none;"></span></button></div></td></tr></table></td></tr><tr class="post--337785" style=""><td class="row2 browse-arrows" align="center" valign="middle" width="150"><a href="#top"><img class="sprite-arrow_subsilver_up" src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="Back to top" loading="lazy" /></a> <a href="#bottom"><img class="sprite-arrow_subsilver_down" src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="Go down" loading="lazy" /></a></td><td class="row2 messaging gensmall" width="100%" height="28"><table border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"><tr><td valign="middle"> </td></tr></table></td></tr><tr class="post post--337809" id="p337809" style=""><td class="row1" valign="top" width="150"><span class="name"><a name="337809" style="position: relative; top: -30px; width: 1px;" id="337809"></a><strong><span style="color:#F7A70A"><strong>exact33</strong></span></strong></span><br /><span class="postdetails poster-profile">The King<br /><img loading="lazy" src="https://2img.net/u/3215/80/92/40/avatars/94-54.jpg" alt="exact33" style="max-width: 150px; max-height: 150px" /><br /><br /><div class="dd_award right"></div><div class="award_more"></div><br><span class="label"><span style="color:#ffffff;">Number of posts</span> : </span> 23281<br /><span class="label"><span style="color:#ffffff;">Age</span> : </span> 50<br /></span><br /><img src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="Why Switzerland is left alone? 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Icon_minitime" border="0" />Fri May 07, 2010 1:10 pm</span></td><td valign="top" nowrap="nowrap" class="post-options"> </td></tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="hr"><hr /></td></tr><tr height="100%" valign="top"><td colspan="2"><div class="postbody"><div><dl class="codebox"> <dt><span class="genmed"><b>Dave the Boss wrote:</b></span></dt> <dd class="quote"><br /><dl class="codebox"> <dt><span class="genmed"><b>exact33 wrote:</b></span></dt> <dd class="quote">And this is important - guns dont kill - its the people who use them.</dd> </dl><br />But they sure as hell make it a lot easier...</dd> </dl> <br />I would argue that unless you are standing really up close to someone the chances of someone who is not trained in shooting actually hitting the target is small. But for argument sake I can go along with you and add it is also very easy to kill someone in any number of different ways i.e. screwdrivers, cars, axes, poison. We dont ban those things. People have killed other people long before and probably long after guns. The idea is to create an effective deterrant to those who wish to kill others. <br /> <br />There are gun accidents to be sure and if you cannot properly handle something, you should not own it.</div><div class="clear"></div><div class="signature_div"><br />_________________<br /><img src="https://i.servimg.com/u/f21/11/59/00/36/the_ki10.jpg" border="0" alt="Why Switzerland is left alone? 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Icon_minitime" border="0" />Sun May 09, 2010 4:27 pm</span></td><td valign="top" nowrap="nowrap" class="post-options"> </td></tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="hr"><hr /></td></tr><tr height="100%" valign="top"><td colspan="2"><div class="postbody"><div><dl class="codebox"> <dt><span class="genmed"><b>exact33 wrote:</b></span></dt> <dd class="quote"><dl class="codebox"> <dt><span class="genmed"><b>Olafsto wrote:</b></span></dt> <dd class="quote"><br />You christian cowboys should speed up your bible reading and get to the chapter called the new testament.<br />There are some fascinating stories about a pretty naive guy who went on about turning cheeks, loving and forgiving your enemy, do unto others bla bla bla.<br /><br />Imagine the surprise if he came back 2000 years later only to find that his followers were a bunch of gun crazy hillbillies.....<br /><img src="https://2img.net/i/fa/i/smiles/lol.gif" border="0" alt="Why Switzerland is left alone? Lol"/></dd> </dl> <br />but the problem is those stereotypes persist. The people I know who own guns use them for either 1. hunting and 2. competitive shooting. This idea that everyone is a gun-toting hillbilly is an exageration and myth from those who want to take guns away from those who use them lawfully. If the US actually enforced the gun laws on the books and left those who own guns legally alone, gun crime would go way down. The vast majority of gun crime is committed by people who do not obtain the guns legally. And this is important - guns dont kill - its the people who use them.</dd> </dl><br />Well I agree with that exact.<br />I have personally nothing against guns at all. I have owned several guns and have done a lot of hunting and sport shooting over the years.<br />The thing that sounds so strange and scary to me is all the talk about the right to defend yourself, with guns!!<br />Maybe i`m just a lucky bastard who lives in a peaceful corner of the world, but the idea that one needs some sort of gun for defence is either the result of paranoia or a world gone mad.<br />I also have a hard time understanding why so many people are against some sort of registration or gun control if they have honest intents.<br />I have to be a registred hunter or member of a gun club to buy guns and amo here. That means i have to take a course and be trained before i can buy a gun lawfully, i also have to register my guns, better for the society and better for me!<br />It means that you can`t wonder off with a gun without being fit to use it, and it also means that if my gun is stolen and turns up again it can be traced back to me, same thing if i should decide to do something stupid with it, it can be traced back to me....<br />Every system has its flaws, and of course there are illegal guns here to, but the system works quite well.</div><div class="clear"></div></div><span class="gensmall"></span></td></tr><tr><td colspan="2"><div class="fa_like_div"><p class="fa_like_list" style="display: none;"></p><button class="rep-button " data-href="" data-href-rm=""><svg width="15px" height="15px" viewBox="0 0 1792 1792" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><path d="M320 1344q0-26-19-45t-45-19q-27 0-45.5 19t-18.5 45q0 27 18.5 45.5t45.5 18.5q26 0 45-18.5t19-45.5zm160-512v640q0 26-19 45t-45 19h-288q-26 0-45-19t-19-45v-640q0-26 19-45t45-19h288q26 0 45 19t19 45zm1184 0q0 86-55 149 15 44 15 76 3 76-43 137 17 56 0 117-15 57-54 94 9 112-49 181-64 76-197 78h-129q-66 0-144-15.5t-121.5-29-120.5-39.5q-123-43-158-44-26-1-45-19.5t-19-44.5v-641q0-25 18-43.5t43-20.5q24-2 76-59t101-121q68-87 101-120 18-18 31-48t17.5-48.5 13.5-60.5q7-39 12.5-61t19.5-52 34-50q19-19 45-19 46 0 82.5 10.5t60 26 40 40.5 24 45 12 50 5 45 .5 39q0 38-9.5 76t-19 60-27.5 56q-3 6-10 18t-11 22-8 24h277q78 0 135 57t57 135z" fill="#666"/></svg><span>Like</span><span class="rep-nb" style="display:none;"></span></button><button class="rep-button " data-href="" data-href-rm=""><svg width="15px" height="15px" viewBox="0 0 1792 1792" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><path d="M320 576q0 26-19 45t-45 19q-27 0-45.5-19t-18.5-45q0-27 18.5-45.5t45.5-18.5q26 0 45 18.5t19 45.5zm160 512v-640q0-26-19-45t-45-19h-288q-26 0-45 19t-19 45v640q0 26 19 45t45 19h288q26 0 45-19t19-45zm1129-149q55 61 55 149-1 78-57.5 135t-134.5 57h-277q4 14 8 24t11 22 10 18q18 37 27 57t19 58.5 10 76.5q0 24-.5 39t-5 45-12 50-24 45-40 40.5-60 26-82.5 10.5q-26 0-45-19-20-20-34-50t-19.5-52-12.5-61q-9-42-13.5-60.5t-17.5-48.5-31-48q-33-33-101-120-49-64-101-121t-76-59q-25-2-43-20.5t-18-43.5v-641q0-26 19-44.5t45-19.5q35-1 158-44 77-26 120.5-39.5t121.5-29 144-15.5h129q133 2 197 78 58 69 49 181 39 37 54 94 17 61 0 117 46 61 43 137 0 32-15 76z" fill="#666"/></svg><span>Dislike</span><span class="rep-nb" style="display:none;"></span></button></div></td></tr></table></td></tr><tr class="post--338389" style=""><td class="row2 browse-arrows" align="center" valign="middle" width="150"><a href="#top"><img class="sprite-arrow_subsilver_up" src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="Back to top" loading="lazy" /></a> <a href="#bottom"><img class="sprite-arrow_subsilver_down" src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="Go down" loading="lazy" /></a></td><td class="row2 messaging gensmall" width="100%" height="28"><table border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"><tr><td valign="middle"> <a href="http://www.myspace.com/olafsto" title="Visit poster's website" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"><img src="https://2img.net/i/fa/extremedarkred/icon_www.gif" alt="http://www.myspace.com/olafsto" /></a> </td></tr></table></td></tr><tr class="post post--338429" id="p338429" style=""><td class="row1" valign="top" width="150"><span class="name"><a name="338429" style="position: relative; top: -30px; width: 1px;" id="338429"></a><strong><span style="color:#F7A70A"><strong>exact33</strong></span></strong></span><br /><span class="postdetails poster-profile">The King<br /><img loading="lazy" src="https://2img.net/u/3215/80/92/40/avatars/94-54.jpg" alt="exact33" style="max-width: 150px; max-height: 150px" /><br /><br /><div class="dd_award right"></div><div class="award_more"></div><br><span class="label"><span style="color:#ffffff;">Number of posts</span> : </span> 23281<br /><span class="label"><span style="color:#ffffff;">Age</span> : </span> 50<br /></span><br /><img src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="Why Switzerland is left alone? Empty" style="width:150px;height:1px" /></td><td class="row1" valign="top" width="100%" height="100%"><table width="100%" height="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"><tr><td><span class="postdetails"><img src="https://2img.net/i/fa/extremedarkred/icon_minipost.gif" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" />Subject: Re: Why Switzerland is left alone? <img src="https://2img.net/i/fa/icon_minitime.gif" alt="Why Switzerland is left alone? Icon_minitime" border="0" />Sun May 09, 2010 8:04 pm</span></td><td valign="top" nowrap="nowrap" class="post-options"> </td></tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="hr"><hr /></td></tr><tr height="100%" valign="top"><td colspan="2"><div class="postbody"><div><dl class="codebox"> <dt><span class="genmed"><b>Olafsto wrote:</b></span></dt> <dd class="quote"><br />Well I agree with that exact.<br />I have personally nothing against guns at all. I have owned several guns and have done a lot of hunting and sport shooting over the years.<br />The thing that sounds so strange and scary to me is all the talk about the right to defend yourself, with guns!!<br />Maybe i`m just a lucky bastard who lives in a peaceful corner of the world, but the idea that one needs some sort of gun for defence is either the result of paranoia or a world gone mad.<br />I also have a hard time understanding why so many people are against some sort of registration or gun control if they have honest intents.<br />I have to be a registred hunter or member of a gun club to buy guns and amo here. That means i have to take a course and be trained before i can buy a gun lawfully, i also have to register my guns, better for the society and better for me!<br />It means that you can`t wonder off with a gun without being fit to use it, and it also means that if my gun is stolen and turns up again it can be traced back to me, same thing if i should decide to do something stupid with it, it can be traced back to me....<br />Every system has its flaws, and of course there are illegal guns here to, but the system works quite well.</dd> </dl><br />I think the problem is that the people who are honest are not the ones going out and using guns to kill others. The reaction in the US to gun violence is to regulate guns even more which just punishes those who want to be legal and follow the rules. I support the laws restricting automatic guns as those have no place in society other than military and police.<br /><br />I have a gun in my house and if someone comes in and tries to hurt/rape/kill a member of my family, I have no problem with using it as a deterrant. It is my house and I do have the right to defend myself. I think some of the problem is the stereotypes that anti-gun people perpetuate. The vast majority of those who own guns dont go around brandishing them and looking for trouble. It is ironic because gun owners have a great deal more respect for guns and what they can do than those who seek to outlaw them. There are no Rambo's. Many (if not all) states require safety classes and such before a gun can be purchased. <br /><br />As for gun registration, I dont think it is practical because if someone steals your gun they will more than likely remove the registration info by sanding, filing or other means. Criminals who want the guns are not deterred by gun laws.</div><div class="clear"></div><div class="signature_div"><br />_________________<br /><img src="https://i.servimg.com/u/f21/11/59/00/36/the_ki10.jpg" border="0" alt="Why Switzerland is left alone? 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Empty" style="width:150px;height:1px" /></td><td class="row2" valign="top" width="100%" height="100%"><table width="100%" height="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"><tr><td><span class="postdetails"><img src="https://2img.net/i/fa/extremedarkred/icon_minipost.gif" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" />Subject: Re: Why Switzerland is left alone? <img src="https://2img.net/i/fa/icon_minitime.gif" alt="Why Switzerland is left alone? Icon_minitime" border="0" />Mon May 10, 2010 6:31 am</span></td><td valign="top" nowrap="nowrap" class="post-options"> </td></tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="hr"><hr /></td></tr><tr height="100%" valign="top"><td colspan="2"><div class="postbody"><div><dl class="codebox"> <dt><span class="genmed"><b>exact33 wrote:</b></span></dt> <dd class="quote"><dl class="codebox"> <dt><span class="genmed"><b>Olafsto wrote:</b></span></dt> <dd class="quote"><br />Well I agree with that exact.<br />I have personally nothing against guns at all. I have owned several guns and have done a lot of hunting and sport shooting over the years.<br />The thing that sounds so strange and scary to me is all the talk about the right to defend yourself, with guns!!<br />Maybe i`m just a lucky bastard who lives in a peaceful corner of the world, but the idea that one needs some sort of gun for defence is either the result of paranoia or a world gone mad.<br />I also have a hard time understanding why so many people are against some sort of registration or gun control if they have honest intents.<br />I have to be a registred hunter or member of a gun club to buy guns and amo here. That means i have to take a course and be trained before i can buy a gun lawfully, i also have to register my guns, better for the society and better for me!<br />It means that you can`t wonder off with a gun without being fit to use it, and it also means that if my gun is stolen and turns up again it can be traced back to me, same thing if i should decide to do something stupid with it, it can be traced back to me....<br />Every system has its flaws, and of course there are illegal guns here to, but the system works quite well.</dd> </dl><br />I think the problem is that the people who are honest are not the ones going out and using guns to kill others. The reaction in the US to gun violence is to regulate guns even more which just punishes those who want to be legal and follow the rules. I support the laws restricting automatic guns as those have no place in society other than military and police.<br /><br />I have a gun in my house and if someone comes in and tries to hurt/rape/kill a member of my family, I have no problem with using it as a deterrant. It is my house and I do have the right to defend myself. I think some of the problem is the stereotypes that anti-gun people perpetuate. The vast majority of those who own guns dont go around brandishing them and looking for trouble. It is ironic because gun owners have a great deal more respect for guns and what they can do than those who seek to outlaw them. There are no Rambo's. Many (if not all) states require safety classes and such before a gun can be purchased. <br /><br />As for gun registration, I dont think it is practical because if someone steals your gun they will more than likely remove the registration info by sanding, filing or other means. Criminals who want the guns are not deterred by gun laws.</dd> </dl> <br /> <br />Well apart from some minor details, we are in total agreement on this Alex.<br /> <img src="https://2img.net/i/fa/i/smiles/icon_biggrin.png" border="0" alt="Why Switzerland is left alone? 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Empty" style="width:150px;height:1px" /></td><td class="row1" valign="top" width="100%" height="100%"><table width="100%" height="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"><tr><td><span class="postdetails"><img src="https://2img.net/i/fa/extremedarkred/icon_minipost.gif" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" />Subject: Re: Why Switzerland is left alone? <img src="https://2img.net/i/fa/icon_minitime.gif" alt="Why Switzerland is left alone? Icon_minitime" border="0" />Mon May 10, 2010 8:11 am</span></td><td valign="top" nowrap="nowrap" class="post-options"> </td></tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="hr"><hr /></td></tr><tr height="100%" valign="top"><td colspan="2"><div class="postbody"><div><dl class="codebox"> <dt><span class="genmed"><b>Olafsto wrote:</b></span></dt> <dd class="quote"><dl class="codebox"> <dt><span class="genmed"><b>exact33 wrote:</b></span></dt> <dd class="quote"><dl class="codebox"> <dt><span class="genmed"><b>Olafsto wrote:</b></span></dt> <dd class="quote"><br />Well I agree with that exact.<br />I have personally nothing against guns at all. I have owned several guns and have done a lot of hunting and sport shooting over the years.<br />The thing that sounds so strange and scary to me is all the talk about the right to defend yourself, with guns!!<br />Maybe i`m just a lucky bastard who lives in a peaceful corner of the world, but the idea that one needs some sort of gun for defence is either the result of paranoia or a world gone mad.<br />I also have a hard time understanding why so many people are against some sort of registration or gun control if they have honest intents.<br />I have to be a registred hunter or member of a gun club to buy guns and amo here. That means i have to take a course and be trained before i can buy a gun lawfully, i also have to register my guns, better for the society and better for me!<br />It means that you can`t wonder off with a gun without being fit to use it, and it also means that if my gun is stolen and turns up again it can be traced back to me, same thing if i should decide to do something stupid with it, it can be traced back to me....<br />Every system has its flaws, and of course there are illegal guns here to, but the system works quite well.</dd> </dl><br />I think the problem is that the people who are honest are not the ones going out and using guns to kill others. The reaction in the US to gun violence is to regulate guns even more which just punishes those who want to be legal and follow the rules. I support the laws restricting automatic guns as those have no place in society other than military and police.<br /><br />I have a gun in my house and if someone comes in and tries to hurt/rape/kill a member of my family, I have no problem with using it as a deterrant. It is my house and I do have the right to defend myself. I think some of the problem is the stereotypes that anti-gun people perpetuate. The vast majority of those who own guns dont go around brandishing them and looking for trouble. It is ironic because gun owners have a great deal more respect for guns and what they can do than those who seek to outlaw them. There are no Rambo's. Many (if not all) states require safety classes and such before a gun can be purchased. <br /><br />As for gun registration, I dont think it is practical because if someone steals your gun they will more than likely remove the registration info by sanding, filing or other means. Criminals who want the guns are not deterred by gun laws.</dd> </dl> <br /> <br />Well apart from some minor details, we are in total agreement on this Alex.<br /> <img src="https://2img.net/i/fa/i/smiles/icon_biggrin.png" border="0" alt="Why Switzerland is left alone? Icon_biggrin"/></dd> </dl><br /> <img src="/users/3215/80/92/40/smiles/25679.gif" alt="Why Switzerland is left alone? 25679" longdesc="30" /></div><div class="clear"></div><div class="signature_div"><br />_________________<br /><img src="https://i.servimg.com/u/f21/11/59/00/36/the_ki10.jpg" border="0" alt="Why Switzerland is left alone? 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Subject: Why Switzerland is left alone? 
Thu May 06, 2010 11:09 am