The Heavy Metal discussion continued...

ToB brought up a point in the other thread that got me to thinking. I've never heard anyone deny that heavy metal is a form of rock and roll. I've actually used the expression, "it's all just rock and roll" many times over the years. I agree that not all rock is heavy metal, but am I wrong in saying that heavy metal is just a form of rock and roll?

Obviously it doesn't really matter and it just becomes a "genre nazi" issue, but I'm still interested in hearing people's opinions on the subject.

Opinions? What say ye?

If it weren't for rock n roll, there wouldn't be heavy metal. Seems like a no brainer to me.

Heavy metal is def. rock n roll in my brain. Dee Snider taught me that.

Heavy Metal or hard rock is rock n roll.

Just the term "rock n' roll" covers a pretty wide spectrum of music, but I'd agree that heavy metal is an off-shoot of it.

If rock n' roll is the family tree, heavy metal would certainly be a branch. Of course, some will argue that rock n' roll is itself a branch off of the blues tree. So there ya go.

I didn't deny it. I was trying to be more specific.

When I talk about people, I don't refer to them as "mammals". I talk about the specific type they are ... "people".

Heavy metal is rock ('n' roll).

Is Judas Priest heavy metal? I think we can all agree that they most certainly are heavy metal and they were livin' after midnight and rockin' till the dawn. They rocked hard and rode free. They rocked forever and they rocked you all around the world.

Is KISS heavy metal? They certainly inspired a lot of heavy metal bands and they rocked and rolled all nite and partied everyday.

Black Sabbath called the Rock n' Roll Doctor.

AC/DC had a rock n roll dream.

The defense rest.

Yeah, its all ROCK´N´ROLL but i like to call HEAVY METAL by its name, HEAVY F-UCKING METAL, no ROCK´N´ROLL. Rock´n´roll is ELVIS PRESLEY, and all those 50s bands and singers. Still, HEAVY METAL comes from ROCK´N´ROLL. I know in the USA they like to call everything ROCK´N´ROLL but i like to call the music i listen to METAL.

Krokus!

Temple of Blood wrote:

I didn't deny it. I was trying to be more specific.

When I talk about people, I don't refer to them as "mammals". I talk about the specific type they are ... "people".

personaly, I "can't" refer to people as "mammals"

We have the abilty to choose a course of action that isn't motivated by a need to survive or dictated by mere instinct. When was the last time you saw a bear or a dolphin laugh at someone for debating as to whether or not "heavy metal" is "rock n roll" and predict that someone would leave an out in every point they make to exclaim..."that isn't what I meant"

In the end we have heavy metal=rock n roll

Heavy metal is a type of rock-n-roll. Or more specifically, heavy metal is a type of hard rock which is a type of rock-n-roll.

James B. wrote:

We have the abilty to choose a course of action that isn't motivated by a need to survive or dictated by mere instinct.

As Dan Aykroyd (as Joe Friday) said in "Dragnet," "there are two things that separate us from the animals. One, we use cutlery. Two, we're able to control our sexual urges when we need to. Now, you might be an exception to that second one, Mister, but don't drag me down into your private Hell."

It's the octomaroon of the rock n roll world!!!

Temple of Blood wrote:

Heavy metal is a type of rock-n-roll. Or more specifically, heavy metal is a type of hard rock which is a type of rock-n-roll.

To be more simplistic "heavy metal" is music

or we can be more specific and say that it is "music" usually made up in smaller chord progressions, doesn't encompass the full use of various scales found in other types of music, often focuses apon faster tempos and exhibits a varied style in vocal approach.

scottmitchell74 wrote:

Krokus!

Hail to you bro

James B. wrote:

Temple of Blood wrote:

Heavy metal is a type of rock-n-roll. Or more specifically, heavy metal is a type of hard rock which is a type of rock-n-roll.

To be more simplistic "heavy metal" is music

HEAVY METAL IS THE BEST MUSIC

I say no. Heavy Metals roots are in Rock 'n Roll, but we call it heavy metal because it's,

krokus wrote:

HEAVY F-UCKING METAL

NOT ROCK 'N ROLL!!

Hence, Heavy Metal is NOT rock 'n roll!

To say otherwise is like saying the pirate code is more "guidelines"

In the End its all just rock n roll to me.Of course I never refer to metal as rock n roll,I call it metal.Sounds more METAL to me.

I don't get specific and refer to "heavy metal" while conversing as "rock and roll". When actually it is. To explain my position, 100 years ago my grandfather was born. Taken from part of one thing and combined with part of another. The process continued two more times and I was the product of that. Today I am totaly different in various ways than my grandfather, though my orgins derive from him. After all this time am I still not part of my grandfather?

If somebody thinks that "metal" isn't "rock n roll"... well that is one's perogotive. It just comes down tp perspective. I explained mine. Still, just an opinion that isn't more valid than one that differs.

James B. wrote:

I don't get specific and refer to "heavy metal" while conversing as "rock and roll". When actually it is. To explain my position, 100 years ago my grandfather was born. Taken from part of one thing and combined with part of another. The process continued two more times and I was the product of that. Today I am totaly different in various ways than my grandfather, though my orgins derive from him. After all this time am I still not part of my grandfather?

If somebody thinks that "metal" isn't "rock n roll"... well that is one's perogotive. It just comes down tp perspective. I explained mine. Still, just an opinion that isn't more valid than one that differs.

Nicely put.

James B. wrote:

Still, just an opinion....

and you think you're allowed that?!

metal is definitely a child of rock n roll. that's indisputable. so saying that it's still a form of rock n roll makes sense. to me anyway.

Makes sense to me. It's all rock and roll!

T-Roy wrote:

James B. wrote:

Still, just an opinion....

and you think you're allowed that?!

We do have a reccommended daily allowance by some government agency, don't we?

For me there are 2 forms of music:

"Listenable"

and

"Unlistenable"