okay Rush, we get your point.

SpectreFate wrote:

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I also have the impression that there is more
racism here in Europe than in the US.

I have heard that but wondered how true it was. My wife is black and I'm almost transparent because I'm so white. I wonder how our color combination would play on a trip to Europe.

Irishmen are transparent all of them, so you`ll fit right in .
Seriously, coming here as tourists wouldn`t be a problem at all.
The problems are more about refugees coming, language barriers, unemployment, religion and other social differncies.
Another thing is that Europe is a Continent of independent Countries, with different languages, laws, religion and races. So the level of racism can be very different from one country to another.
I guess you americans have a lot more expirience with all sorts of races living together. The first immigrants that came to Norway were from Pakistan and they did not come until the 1970`s.

Olafsto wrote:

sheets wrote:

Dave the Boss wrote:

With that said, politics are not my thang ya know. The last couple of years a populist party PVV (Party for Freedom) has been on the rise in Holland, and these guys are even known outside of Holland. The party's leader Geert Wilders was on CNN a couple of times if I remember correctly. Their whole program seems to be based on blaming muslims for everything that's wrong in the world. Combine that with a charismatic figure, and doesn't that quite remind you of a certain popular party with a short fellow with a little stache at its head in 1930s Germany?

I've heard of those guys, and Geert Wilders. I do find it very interesting that despite Europe being more socially liberal than the U.S., fascists also have a much higher political profile than over here.

Yes Sheets, I agree, that is a both interesting and scary side to Europe.
It angers and discusts me to see neo nazis march through the same streets, and celebrate all the horror the nazis did during the war.
And it is extremely dangerous when politicians with such leanings get real power, i think both Austria and Switzerland have scums like that in their parlament.
I also have the impression that there is more racism here in Europe than in the US.
It is difficult to fight these people, they are so good at spreding their hate and fear. And of course we have full freedom of speach so we just have to hope that people see what the fascists and national socialists really stands for.

Are neonazis allowed to openly display nazi symbols and deny the holocaust in Norway? Those things are all illegal in Holland, and actually I'm pretty glad they are. Nobody takes those morons seriously around here, thank God. Where I grew up (and where my parents still live as a matter of fact), the largest neonazi party in the country is based, and they regularly have protest marches. They still have only like 100 members or something, haha.

Wilders' party isn't exactly neonazi though, that's what weird about it. They are VERY pro-Israel, and if I recall correctly his wife is Jewish. The only target of their hatred is the muslims living in Holland, which is just as bad if you ask me.

SpectreFate wrote:

Quote :

I also have the impression that there is more
racism here in Europe than in the US.

I have heard that but wondered how true it was. My wife is black and I'm almost transparent because I'm so white. I wonder how our color combination would play on a trip to Europe.

Holland is probably the most tolerant country in the world, so no worries. I think there's a bigger chance of being beat up because of your wife's skincolor in the countryside of the southern US states, than in any European country (except Russia maybe).

Q- What is the difference between the Hindenburg and Rush Limbaugh?


A- One is a big, fat Nazi windbag.......The other is a Zeppelin.

[quote="Dave the Boss"]

Olafsto wrote:

sheets wrote:

Dave the Boss wrote:

With that said, politics are not my thang ya know. The last couple of years a populist party PVV (Party for Freedom) has been on the rise in Holland, and these guys are even known outside of Holland. The party's leader Geert Wilders was on CNN a couple of times if I remember correctly. Their whole program seems to be based on blaming muslims for everything that's wrong in the world. Combine that with a charismatic figure, and doesn't that quite remind you of a certain popular party with a short fellow with a little stache at its head in 1930s Germany?

I've heard of those guys, and Geert Wilders. I do find it very interesting that despite Europe being more socially liberal than the U.S., fascists also have a much higher political profile than over here.

Yes Sheets, I agree, that is a both interesting and scary side to Europe.
It angers and discusts me to see neo nazis march through the same streets, and celebrate all the horror the nazis did during the war.
And it is extremely dangerous when politicians with such leanings get real power, i think both Austria and Switzerland have scums like that in their parlament.
I also have the impression that there is more racism here in Europe than in the US.
It is difficult to fight these people, they are so good at spreding their hate and fear. And of course we have full freedom of speach so we just have to hope that people see what the fascists and national socialists really stands for.

Are neonazis allowed to openly display nazi symbols and deny the holocaust in Norway? Those things are all illegal in Holland, and actually I'm pretty glad they are. Nobody takes those morons seriously around here, thank God.

No, it`s the same here as in Holland.
These groups are not taken too seriously here either.

UNCLE SAXON wrote:

Q- What is the difference between the Hindenburg and Rush Limbaugh?


A- One is a big, fat Nazi windbag.......The other is a Zeppelin.

Dave the Boss wrote:

SpectreFate wrote:

Quote :

I also have the impression that there is more
racism here in Europe than in the US.

I have heard that but wondered how true it was. My wife is black and I'm almost transparent because I'm so white. I wonder how our color combination would play on a trip to Europe.

Holland is probably the most tolerant country in the world, so no worries. I think there's a bigger chance of being beat up because of your wife's skincolor in the countryside of the southern US states, than in any European country (except Russia maybe).

Maybe Scottmitchell will chime in on this thread. His wife is black and he lives in Texas. I don't recall him ever posting about being harassed but then that's not something that typically comes up on music message boards.

Racism sucks.

tohostudios wrote:

Dave the Boss wrote:

SpectreFate wrote:

Quote :

I also have the impression that there is more
racism here in Europe than in the US.

I have heard that but wondered how true it was. My wife is black and I'm almost transparent because I'm so white. I wonder how our color combination would play on a trip to Europe.

Holland is probably the most tolerant country in the world, so no worries. I think there's a bigger chance of being beat up because of your wife's skincolor in the countryside of the southern US states, than in any European country (except Russia maybe).

Maybe Scottmitchell will chime in on this thread. His wife is black and he lives in Texas. I don't recall him ever posting about being harassed but then that's not something that typically comes up on music message boards.

I wasn't being completely serious there. Besides, Scott's a big guy right? I doubt dumb neonazis would harrass him.

But yeah, racism is retarded. Can't imagine anyone with an IQ above 30 believing that nonsense.

manny wrote:

Thrasher73 wrote:

I agree with Exact on this.Im more to the right than anything else.I dont have a problem with Rush.

I don't either '2112' is a classic.

I'm honestly not sure which Rush is worse...

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I think Rush Limbaugh knows how to play people well. He can fire up his legions and his retractors equally. Part of me hates him, part of me admires him.

That's it exactly. Rush is out for...$$...and poop-stirring is the quickest way to $$.


My wife and I were in England, Scotland and Ireland in May/June, and although we drew a few curious stares in the Scottish countryside, we were treated very well at all times.

As far as the American South? Abilene, Tx, we've found, is a unique sort of "island" in W. Texas. Airforce base + 3 Universities = a laid back racial landscape. That's not to say there aren't some leftover prejudices, but we've not been treated poorly once in 10.5 years here. That makes it hard for us to speak about the South in general, and also, W. Texas is more Southwest than Deep South. What racism we've seen usually centers more on opinions of Mexicans or Mexican-Americans. They seem to get the worst of the racist crap here.

What my wife notices while out alone is that no matter what a real, live W. Texan cowboy might be thinking, he'll hold the door for her and say "Ma'am". The politeness here is outstanding.

Metallic Blaze wrote:

Racism sucks.

-isms of most kinds suck - racism, sexism, classism, etc.

As for Rush, love him or hate him, he still is in business and ratings are increasing which is a lot more than you can say for Air America which has finally signed off...

exact33 wrote:

Metallic Blaze wrote:

Racism sucks.

-isms of most kinds suck - racism, sexism, classism, etc.

As for Rush, love him or hate him, he still is in business and ratings are increasing which is a lot more than you can say for Air America which has finally signed off...

If it wasn't for FOX News and other extremism right-wing networks, Rush would be on the sidewalks barking at the moon. He has no audience with the majority of American people who have enough intelligence to think for themselves.

Metallic Blaze wrote:

exact33 wrote:

Metallic Blaze wrote:

Racism sucks.

-isms of most kinds suck - racism, sexism, classism, etc.

As for Rush, love him or hate him, he still is in business and ratings are increasing which is a lot more than you can say for Air America which has finally signed off...

If it wasn't for FOX News and other extremism right-wing networks, Rush would be on the sidewalks barking at the moon. He has no audience with the majority of American people who have enough intelligence to think for themselves.

I dont think you get the breadth of his audience. His show now rivals the number of listeners that music stations get. Rush has had a large audience long before Fox was ever thought of. He has an audience that ranges from soccer moms to students to professionals. Common sense is always appealing.

As for those who think for themselves - does that describ the people in DC for the inauguration last year - remember the lady who said she doesnt have to worry about paying her mortgage anymore because obama was elected or Chris Matthews saying he got a tingling up his leg when he heard obama speak. Talk about following blindly!

exact33 wrote:

-isms of most kinds suck - racism, sexism, classism, etc.

We are in agreement here friend!

Metallic Blaze wrote:

exact33 wrote:

-isms of most kinds suck - racism, sexism, classism, etc.

We are in agreement here friend!

If this was about the 3 guys from Canada Rush, I was gonna be real angry with you.

But that cartoon was

Metallic Blaze wrote:

exact33 wrote:

Metallic Blaze wrote:

Racism sucks.

-isms of most kinds suck - racism, sexism, classism, etc.

As for Rush, love him or hate him, he still is in business and ratings are increasing which is a lot more than you can say for Air America which has finally signed off...

If it wasn't for FOX News and other extremism right-wing networks, Rush would be on the sidewalks barking at the moon. He has no audience with the majority of American people who have enough intelligence to think for themselves.

Not for nothing, but do you ever watch the actual Fox NEWS broadcasts? I'm not talking about the Becks, Hannitys and Oreillys (those are news OPINION shows), I'm talking about the regular news broadcasts.

This general media painting of FNC as "right wing extremists" is total bullsh!t IMO. Sure, the news OPINION shows are right wing but the general news shows are about as neutral as you can find.

Or maybe any network that isn't worshipping at the Obama altar is now considered "extreme right wing", eh?

Look, I watch all the news channels and if you forget about the OPINION shows, the only one I see showing a major bias is MSNBC. The rest are pretty much alike IMO.

Toho, yeah I know what you mean about the regular news of FOX being more non-biased.

However, because FOX gives such a large place to extreme right wing agendas - I have stopped watching them.

I also agree with you that MSNBC is pretty biased too.

I don't watch either network.

I just watch CNN. I find them to be the most balanced - but that is just me.


No offense to any fans of FOX Network.

That's cool.

I have no problem with that assessment. I just get a little annoyed when people paint FNC with the broadbrush of "right wing network". Heck, Obama's people even tried to keep them out of a press conference until all the other networks agreed that that policy was wrong.

And I agree that CNN is pretty neutral too most of the time. I just think FNC has better looking female reporters/anchors.

BTW, FNC is also the network that gave your man Huckabee his own weekly show on Saturday nights. An entertaining one too I must say.

Oh...and I still think Limbaugh is a windbag.

A smart windbag who is great at manipulating his target demographic but still a windbag.

Yeah, I can handle Huckabee and might've even voted for him had he been chosen instead of McCain. But he's really more of a moderate Republican though. Kinda like Reagan was.

Way better than Limbaugh.

Metallic Blaze wrote:

Yeah, I can handle Huckabee and might've even voted for him had he been chosen instead of McCain. But he's really more of a moderate Republican though. Kinda like Reagan was.

Way better than Limbaugh.

Occasionally watching his show, I think DC politics would have eaten Huckabee alive. He comes across as an honest guy who actually gives voice to the way he really thinks. That honest approach to political issues is endearing coming from someone not actually in office but I think DC politics would have chewed him up and spit him out. He's much better off where he is IMO. I like the guy and would not like to see his ideals destroyed by Washington (both sides of the aisle).

Yeah, I feel that way too. I like him, but I'm not sure (in retrospect) that he would have actually been cut out for the job.