Iced Earth to rerelease Something Wicked Pt.1

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The shame of it all, Ripper done such a kick ass job.

I think the idea sucks as well. Leave it alone.

It's his band and he can do what he wants...but he just got through saying not long ago how he thinks the albums he did w/ Ripper are awesome and he loves them...why change? I mean, The Glorious Burden will remain, but now I gotta go find good copies of Overture... & Framing Armageddon (again) before they're gone forever...

No respect for Tim...

Not a surpising move to keep the story cohesive.

Boy, Jon's not wasting any time erasing the memory of Ripper from everyone's mind, huh?

I get that he wants the story to be cohesive, but that seems like a jerky move on his part. Like Shawn stated, no respect for Tim's work. Let the original be.

Vocals don't affect the storyline....

WooHoo! Cant wait for this! I really dont think its that bad to redo the vocals. Matt was on the original one and he should have been on Part 1. Part 1 was great though with Ripper. Part 2 I didnt care for as much cause now im missing Ripper. But whatever, its Iced Earth and they havent really put out any crap albums.

ultmetal wrote:

I think the idea sucks as well. Leave it alone.

But will you still be buying it?

It's not a big deal, really. He says a box set was planned anyway, and I believe him. It's a natural thing that any band would do. Had you wanted to buy the box set, you'd have been buying two albums you already purchased years before. Now, at least, when you buy the box set you'll be getting one album that is essentially new. It makes the entire box set far more appealing and worth the money.

And personally, as an artist, I'd not like the idea of a concept album having two vastly different vocalists. It makes complete sense to re-record the those vocals with Matt. And it doesn't erase anything that Tim did with the band. It's not like they're discontinuing those albums.

Eyesore wrote:

And personally, as an artist, I'd not like the idea of a concept album having two vastly different vocalists. It makes complete sense to re-record the those vocals with Matt. And it doesn't erase anything that Tim did with the band. It's not like they're discontinuing those albums.

The truth has been spoken.

Though it does seem like a d*ck move on Schaffer's part, I guess we really shouldn't be surprised. It seems so unnecessary though. I mean, The FRAMING ARMAGEDDON album is barely a year old for cryin' out loud!!

Nothin' against Ripper Owens (I thought he did a fine job on GLORIOUS BURDEN) or his performance on FRAMING ARMAGEDDON, I still gotta say that I didn't care for that album at all. I found it pretty flat, and that was very disappointing, because I.E. has been one of my favorite bands for a long time now.

I've only had CRUCIBLE OF MAN for a couple of days thus far and have only given it a few spins, so I can't really comment on it with any depth yet. I will say that simply having Barlow back in the fold is a big plus. Matt's vocals have more theatricality (is that a word?) and a sense of drama that Owens, who is a more straight-forward metal singer, simply doesn't have. Barlow's vox suit this sort of gloom-and-doom epic stuff better than Owens IMO.

That said, I doubt I'll spring for this box set just to hear the re-finished version of FRAMING. Jon Schaffer already got my money for that album once.

He must really hate Ripper or something. When Ripper first joined he said that Ripper's voice is how he invisioned IE to begin with, what a crock.

troublezone wrote:

When Ripper first joined he said that Ripper's voice is how he invisioned IE to begin with, what a crock.

When John Bush first joined Anthrax, Scott Ian said the same kinda stuff about Bush. We all know how that turned out too.

troublezone wrote:

He must really hate Ripper or something. When Ripper first joined he said that Ripper's voice is how he invisioned IE to begin with, what a crock.

That's the part that bothers me most about this whole thing. Jon can do whatever he wants with his band and obviously he does. It just seems like he's pissing all over the work that Tim did.

I think he's an "in the moment" kind of guy...in a certain moment, what he's doing in that moment is 100% what he wants and what he believes...when Ripper was there, he said "This is what I want!!"....and I think he was sincere...but when Matt came back on the scene, "I want Matt!!!"...and I think he was sincere there too...then it became "Ripper slayed the albums...I love them...but live felt weird"...Ok, whatever...then "I'm re-recording these vocals w/ Matt..."...he seems very emotional, following every knee-jerk reaction of his heart....

He's sincere in the moment he speaks, really believing it, but he moves from one thing to the other so fast that whatever he's doing in a given moment is "IT"...

its seems weird as it shows no respect but i am not too bothered as i wont pick it up

Fat Freddy wrote:

troublezone wrote:

When Ripper first joined he said that Ripper's voice is how he invisioned IE to begin with, what a crock.

When John Bush first joined Anthrax, Scott Ian said the same kinda stuff about Bush. We all know how that turned out too.

Those are just things all musicians say. Imagine a band getting a new singer and then the mainman behind the whole thing goes, "Well, he's not as good as our last singer, but he his really good." I don't think that would go over well. Haha. It's BS, but it's necessary BS.

TheGooch wrote:

its seems weird as it shows no respect but i am not too bothered as i wont pick it up

Everyone keeps saying this, but that's all they say. Why does this show no respect?

Eyesore wrote:

Fat Freddy wrote:

troublezone wrote:

When Ripper first joined he said that Ripper's voice is how he invisioned IE to begin with, what a crock.

When John Bush first joined Anthrax, Scott Ian said the same kinda stuff about Bush. We all know how that turned out too.

Those are just things all musicians say. Imagine a band getting a new singer and then the mainman behind the whole thing goes, "Well, he's not as good as our last singer, but he his really good." I don't think that would go over well. Haha. It's BS, but it's necessary BS.

Oh yea, of course. It's right up there with a band saying, "our new album is the best we've ever done," then a couple of years down the road the same guy will say "Well, we weren't that thrilled with how that one turned out," haha

Eyesore wrote:

TheGooch wrote:

its seems weird as it shows no respect but i am not too bothered as i wont pick it up

Everyone keeps saying this, but that's all they say. Why does this show no respect?

Because by re-recording the vocals, that says to me "Ignore that last album with what's-his-face. Yea, I said it was great, the singer was great, blah, blah, blah but really I was just bullschmitting everyone because Matt was my first choice and since he bailed, I had to settle for what I could get at the time."

That's the way I see it.

Fat Freddy wrote:

Eyesore wrote:

Fat Freddy wrote:

troublezone wrote:

When Ripper first joined he said that Ripper's voice is how he invisioned IE to begin with, what a crock.

When John Bush first joined Anthrax, Scott Ian said the same kinda stuff about Bush. We all know how that turned out too.

Those are just things all musicians say. Imagine a band getting a new singer and then the mainman behind the whole thing goes, "Well, he's not as good as our last singer, but he his really good." I don't think that would go over well. Haha. It's BS, but it's necessary BS.

Oh yea, of course. It's right up there with a band saying, "our new album is the best we've ever done," then a couple of years down the road the same guy will say "Well, we weren't that thrilled with how that one turned out," haha

I won't mention any names, but this reminds me of a certain band that is back-peddling on a certain St. Album that was released a few years ago.

Maybe Jon will get Matt to re-record "The Glorious Burden" too. And Ripper can re-record "Marching Out".

MetalGuy71 wrote:

I won't mention any names, but this reminds me of a certain band that is back-peddling on a certain St. Album that was released a few years ago.

Haha, I had a certain Mr. Simmons and Mr. Stanley in mind when they talk about certain albums produced by their band during the '80s, but yea, that works too.

Don't like the idea but I will pick this up anyway

I don't recall people complaining that Tim re-recorded Matt's songs.

Either way, if Jon is being honest and the box set was always planned (and that is completely logical so there's no reason to think it's a lie) then it makes far more sense to have both albums with the same singer. I still say that if he didn't do this, everyone would complain that they're being forced to buy the same two albums they already bought.

With Matt doing the re-recordings, it'll be like a new album. Just listen to Tim's re-recording of the original Something Wicked trilogy, and Matt's re-recording of Tim's Framing Armageddon tunes—they all sound pretty different. So for me, the box set is now far more intriguing and worthwhile. Otherwise, without the re-recordings, what would there be? Some unreleased interludes, expanded artwork, a DVD? Not a lot to get excited over. Now there is.

And I'd personally love to hear Matt redo the Gettysburg trilogy. As much as I love Tim's version, it would just be cool to hear Matt do it. That trilogy is frickin amazing!