Does anyone else hate

when a band refuses to acknowledge a certain part of their career? Take Van Halen, yes, VH3 wasnt that good (though i'll admit to liking a handful of songs from it), but VH dont even acknowledge it at all. Same with Pantera. You put out hair metal albums, DEAL WITH IT! I mean, Alice Cooper still lists the albums he did in an alcoholic haze (zipper catches skin and dada) and his early psychadelic albums (pretties for you, easy action) as part of his discography. Its almost as if the bands are trying to rewrite history (impossible with the internet).

No not really it is what it is, I think most know that VH3 was horid if they choose not to talk about it, it's up to them.

Wargod

I'm probably in the minority, but I think Pantera's Power Metal album is better than anything they released in the 90's. Kind of sounds like Painkiller era Judas Priest.

Metal-On-Metal wrote:

I'm probably in the minority, but I think Pantera's Power Metal album is better than anything they released in the 90's. Kind of sounds like Painkiller era Judas Priest.

I kind of agree. Phil's vocals are amazing on that record. Too bad he threw it away just so he could yell and scream and try to sound tough.

"Power Metal" is one of their best albums definitely.

Not that I hate it, but I always chuckle and shake my head at Tom Warrior for disowning their best album to date (COLD LAKE).

And I madly hated it when a certain manager decided it will be bad promotion for his client to be revealed as singer on A.W. Bordoni's Eclectica, and therefore, this album never saw a proper release past the initial 100 CDrs... I'd have given my left nut to see it released on Stormspell. This album is simply out of this world!

stormspell wrote:

Not that I hate it, but I always chuckle and shake my head at Tom Warrior for disowning their best album to date (COLD LAKE).

I really like Cold Lake too. It's terribly underrated just because of the "glam" influence (which I don't hear). Glam is more of an image than it is really a 'sound' in my opinion, though.

Pantera has never not acknowledged those albums. By the time they were popular, they were simply a different kind of band and those early albums were no longer representative of who they were.

I totally agree, "Cold Lake" isi a great album, the image is glam but the songs have something really really dark about em. I mean it doesn't sound like Ratt or Motley Crue at all!


Downtown.... Hanoooooi

I dont really care a whole lot. If a band doesnt play the songs in concert i want to hear, i just wont go.

That's one reason I respect Iron Maiden and the current version of Journey.



Maiden doesn't ignore the non-Bruce years...you go see Maiden, there's a good chance you'll get DiAnno, Dickinson AND Blaze songs...



The current Journey lineup is also including songs from the Steve Augeri years (1998-2006).



But go see Judas Priest and Rob isn't going to sing "Cathedral Spires" or "Burn In Hell"...and you can forget about DLR singing any Sammy-era VH, let alone Cherone-era.

Shawn Of Fire wrote:

But go see Judas Priest and Rob isn't going to sing "Cathedral Spires" or "Burn In Hell"...and you can forget about DLR singing any Sammy-era VH, let alone Cherone-era.

Rob singing Cathedral Spires or Bullet Train would be awesome!

ultmetal wrote:

Shawn Of Fire wrote:

But go see Judas Priest and Rob isn't going to sing "Cathedral Spires" or "Burn In Hell"...and you can forget about DLR singing any Sammy-era VH, let alone Cherone-era.

Rob singing Cathedral Spires or Bullet Train would be awesome!

Seriously.

I do think it's cool when bands acknowledge their past members or songs, but I don't get a red-ass about it if they don't.

You should also consider the source material as well. Even though his ego wouldn't allow it anyway, David Lee Roth would butcher Sammy's songs, which is probably in part as to why they wouldn't do it. Same with Vince Neil and the John Corabi-era material.

Now guys like Bruce Dickenson or Ronnie James Dio could sing along to a Chinese take-out menu and make it sound great.

ultmetal wrote:

Shawn Of Fire wrote:

But go see Judas Priest and Rob isn't going to sing "Cathedral Spires" or "Burn In Hell"...and you can forget about DLR singing any Sammy-era VH, let alone Cherone-era.

Rob singing Cathedral Spires or Bullet Train would be awesome!

It would be a train wreck. I like those songs and absolutely don't want to hear Rob do them.

And does anyone want to hear Cherone-era songs live anyway?

I do agree with Shawn that it would be cool to hear Dickinson do Blaze-era stuff because:
1. Some of hose songs are actually good/great
2. Dickinson can hit all the notes in the songs reasonable well

Important considerations.

Eyesore wrote:

Pantera has never not acknowledged those albums. By the time they were popular, they were simply a different kind of band and those early albums were no longer representative of who they were.

That's true of practically any artist.

And yeah, they disowened their old stuff. It's not on their official site. http://www.pantera.com/releases.htm

When is the last time Vinnie Paul autographed a copy of their first 3 discs? Or Phil autographed "Power Metal"?

They disowned them.

When you think about it, there are too many considerations to take into account. Egos, song quality, vocalist ability, legal issues, "classics" to good to ignore, etc.



It's too easy (and not fair) to just cover it all with a blanket statement that "bands are dicks if they don't acknowledge their past". Some can and do, others can't or won't.

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When you think about it, there are too many considerations to take into account. Egos, song quality, vocalist ability, legal issues, "classics" to good to ignore, etc.

Not to mention, some bands (Priest, Maiden, etc.) have such massive catalogs by now that they simply can't please everybody. Even if somebody like Maiden tried to make everyone happy by playing at least one track off of EVERY record, there would still be people who would be pissed because they played, say, "Futureal" off of VIRTUAL XI instead of "The Clansman."

I read a great Dio review years ago (for one of his live DVDs I think) where the guy commented on how tough it must be for Ronnie to pick a set list, what with his Rainbow, Sabbath, and solo material to choose from.

He sez something to the effect of "The poor bastard could sing all night till he's passed out from exhaustion onstage, there could be sunlight streaming through the doors, and yet some crank in the front row would still say 'No Neon Knights? What a dick!'"

Good point.

Once you get past 4 or 5 albums as an international professional touring artist there are bound to be tons of good songs that you simply don't have time to play.

Temple of Blood wrote:

ultmetal wrote:

Shawn Of Fire wrote:

But go see Judas Priest and Rob isn't going to sing "Cathedral Spires" or "Burn In Hell"...and you can forget about DLR singing any Sammy-era VH, let alone Cherone-era.

Rob singing Cathedral Spires or Bullet Train would be awesome!

It would be a train wreck. I like those songs and absolutely don't want to hear Rob do them.

And does anyone want to hear Cherone-era songs live anyway?

I do agree with Shawn that it would be cool to hear Dickinson do Blaze-era stuff because:
1. Some of hose songs are actually good/great
2. Dickinson can hit all the notes in the songs reasonable well

Important considerations.

Dickinson actually did some Blaze songs live...And I believe Halford also told once he'd like to do some Ripper material live...

I've seen Dickinson do "Sign of the Cross" and "The Clansman" from the Blaze era. And of course, they almost always do "Wrathchild" and/or "Iron Maiden" to represent the DiAnno period.

I remember Halford saying he wouldn't mind doing Ripper era stuff when he rejoined Priest but to the best of my knowledge they've never actually played any of it since he's been back in the band.

Bruce has also sung "Man on the Edge," "Futureal" and "Lord of the Flies" from the Blaze era during certain tours.

I remember those interviews with Rob and though I'm not the biggest fan of the Ripper era I was curious about hearing a new take on some of those songs. Of course, that never happened. They said they were going to do one song off of every Priest album for their Epitaph tour, but they skipped over both Ripper albums. Maybe that's for the better all around... Rob's older and he probably couldn't hit some of those notes by this point anyway, and they've got a simply massive back catalog to draw from and limited time to cover all the bases.

I'd still like to hear Joey sing a few more Bush era Anthrax songs (they've done "Only" so far). I think a few of those could work well. I'm not holding my breath though.

ultmetal wrote:

Shawn Of Fire wrote:

But go see Judas Priest and Rob isn't going to sing "Cathedral Spires" or "Burn In Hell"...and you can forget about DLR singing any Sammy-era VH, let alone Cherone-era.

Rob singing Cathedral Spires or Bullet Train would be awesome!

I agree.

Yeah, Rob did say he acknowledged Ripper's albums as legitimate parts of JP's history and would have no problem performing the songs as such, but never did.



And I think that Cherone VH album gets a bad rap. Aside from some of the songs being a little too long, most of them are not bad...people were just pissed that both Dave AND Sammy were now gone. That said, "How Many Say I?" is horrible.

I understand the reasoning behind not including it in their official discography, but man do I still love Sabbat's Mourning Has Broken. Wish they would reconsider so it can get a decent remastering like the other two records got.