Biggest metal album failures

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Essentially, even though bands like Tourniquet & Mortification play the same musical style as other metal bands, they CANNOT be considered metal because they espouse a Christian belief and don't represent what metal is supposed to be, which is rebellion, anti-establishment, anarchy, etc.

What a idiot! Black Sabbath (the first metal band) based their whole schtick on a horror movie not rebellion. If that's his view on music/society then i suggest he switch to punk music which is more suited for his mindframe. If he was refering to satanic bands being the only "true" metal style then he should realize that most if not all put on a show for a paycheck or to just get laid from town to town.

MetalFRO wrote:

Here's the thing, folks. The guy behind anus.com believes he is the supreme authority on all things metal - as if that's even possible. I had a considerable e-mail based discussion with him some while back on the virtues (or lack thereof, in his mind) on "Christian" metal, and to him, it's a complete oxymoron, like many metal fans. However, most metal fans, while they may not want to be "preached at" they just ignore it & don't necessarily debate the existence of it. This guy denies all existence of "Christian metal" in any form. Essentially, even though bands like Tourniquet & Mortification play the same musical style as other metal bands, they CANNOT be considered metal because they espouse a Christian belief and don't represent what metal is supposed to be, which is rebellion, anti-establishment, anarchy, etc. The guy is a pseudo-intellectual, pseudo-anarchist who believes that the world would benefit from true, unrestricted anarchy, at least based on some of the articles that were on the site some years ago.

Read some of the music reviews on the site - pretentious! Basically, everything after "Symphonies of Sickness"-era Carcass is pablum, and is too marred by "rock" production & structure, lead playing, and lacking the "brilliance" of the early material. If learning how to play your instrument more skillfully and construct more intricate music that also fuses more melody & accessibility is taking a step backwards, then sorry - I can't help you!

Anyway, the guy's a tool. Just ignore him.

I don't even waste my time with these arguments any longer. People who espouse such nonsense need to get a life. Metal is not neccessarily about "rebellion, anti-establishment, anarchy". If that is the case, then bands that founded heavy metal like Iron Maiden, Black Sabbath, Saxon and Judas Priest couldn't be metal. Their songs were certainly not all based on these ideas. In fact, many of Black Sabbath's early records had very religious themes. Metal is about the music. Each artist has something different to say in the music. Everyone has a story to tell, an idea to present, a belief to share, etc. To argue otherwise is simply laughable.

detuned wrote:

I still don't understand the almost universal hate surrounding "Diablos In Musica", it's basically South Of Heaven Part 2 (which is why I like it so much) Slayer has yet to release a truly "bad" album, some are just more potent than others.

Divine Intervention's biggest flaw is that it's rather dull in comparison to the rest of their catalog. Serviceable but uninspired.

Diabolus is WAY awesome! It's Slayer, but a more brooding and heavier Slayer, more darker with a heavier crunch.

Divine Intervention rocks, tons of great riffs, I think the band was still figuring out their new drummer at that time.

Risk I can easlily see being on that last, along with St. Anger.

Hahaha man, anus.com is definitely one of the most retarded websites out there. I remember that I was something like 14 years old and looking for sites with reviews on black metal CDs. So then I found the old anus.com. Those reviews aren't exactly helpful for a 14 year old ya know, hahaha.

That said, I can't fathom why Cold Lake ISN'T on the list. That album is SO bad, SO retarded, SO hideous it should be illegal. Just watch the video for Cherry Orchards and you'll see what I mean.

MetalFRO wrote:

Anyway, the guy's a tool.

without a doubt. check his ramblings about how Chuck Schuldiner was a christian who died of aids..
http://www.anus.com/metal/about/metal/chuck_schuldiner/

The guy couldn't be any more pretentious if he tried and you can tell by the way he describes music that he has no idea how to write or play music. He uses words as an impediment to understanding rather than an instrument of it.

mc666 wrote:

MetalFRO wrote:

Anyway, the guy's a tool.

without a doubt. check his ramblings about how Chuck Schuldiner was a christian who died of aids..

And even though he is an American, he celebrated the 9-11 attacks.

I could not make all the way thru the Chuck Schuldiner article, besides having piss poor writing, he got all his facts wrong and the name of the article is silly. Chuck never once claimed to be a martyr of anything, he died of disease that he fought and lost the battle to.

This guy needs to leave his mother's basement, get some sunlight and maybe get laid, with all the b.s. he writes, the poor boy sounds like he might be backed up.

To defend my choices:

Theatre of Pain - prior to this album I was a Motley Crue fan, but hated TOP so much that not only did I get rid of it...I took down all my Motley Crue posters and stuff and have probably only listened to them about 5 times in the past 25 years.

Fight For The Rock SUCKS BALLS. (and I'm a Savatage fan)

No Prayer For The Dying = autopilot, phoned in, uninspired, tired, unfocused, bored, excuse to tour.

...now I haven't heard that Fastway in years, so I might feel different about it now. But I hated it so much upon release, that after the first listen I smashed the cassette against the wall and have never heard it since.

Load/Reload/S&M/Garage Days (new songs) & St. Anger are pretty much a parade of unholy suckage.

My favorite part of this whole thread;

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The Internets

With your permission I'm going to start calling it that. Love it!

That guy sounds like Roger Martinez Lite. An utter waste of precious time.

UNCLE SAXON wrote:

That guy sounds like Roger Martinez Lite. An utter waste of precious time.

But they probably see themselves as enlightned or enthusiastic (about metal).

I'll admit, I didn't care for the Obituary CD at all. Sounded very uninspired IMO.

detuned wrote:

To defend my choices:

Theatre of Pain - prior to this album I was a Motley Crue fan, but hated TOP so much that not only did I get rid of it...I took down all my Motley Crue posters and stuff and have probably only listened to them about 5 times in the past 25 years.

Really? I think ToP is pretty good. Not as good as Shout At the Devil or Too Fast For Love, but a lot better than Girls Girls Girls, which was mostly awful. City Boy Blues, Use It Or Lose It and Tonight are classic Crue tracks imo.

detuned wrote:

Theatre of Pain - prior to this album I was a Motley Crue fan, but hated TOP so much that not only did I get rid of it...I took down all my Motley Crue posters and stuff and have probably only listened to them about 5 times in the past 25 years.

THEATRE OF PAIN was where Motley Crue lost me, too. I was HUGE into SHOUT @ THE DEVIL and TOO FAST FOR LOVE and was soooooo psyched for TOP's release, but I don't think I ever got past that godawful back cover photo. I was like "Geez, not only did Vince kill that Hanoi Rocks guy, but they stole his wardrobe too." The songs were pretty lame as well ("Home Sweet Home?" Gaaaaaaaack!)

That album was my first lesson in having a favorite band "sell out" on me. Tough for a 14 year old.