Max Cavalera, the real spirit of sepultura?

I've been a sepultura fan for over fifteen years, mainly because of the cavalera brothers, especially max's vocals which i consider to be extremely brutal and enjoyable.

After max's departure, i tried to keep interest in sepultura. I consider Derek green to be a very talented singer, but max was different...At the same time, i had the feeling that something went missing in sepultura.

So, i followed max in his different projects. And this is where i found the spirit i was looking for. Soulfly and recently cavalera conspiracy are very good achievements. I personally consider them to reflect the true sepultura sound.

I can't wait for the day the seps reunite (andreas, paulo and the cavalera brothers).

I agree. When Max left he took the songwriting, inspiration and passion with him.

I don't know didn't he ruin the band in the first place? They toally lost me with the album after Chaos AD. I haven't heard anything anyone has done since besides seeing that atrocius Soulfly live once. Well I was gone for most of their set it was just that awful.

I'm sure my opinion is different than most. I think Sepultura kept improving as they went along. I love the Roots album and all the various b-sides that showed up on Blood Rooted (I also saw them on the Roots tour and they were phenomenal).

I also like Soulfly and saw their first tour in Seattle.

I love old school thrash...but I also don't have a problem with bands trying new things and bringing in other influences. I loved the whole tribal/world music angle that Sepultura started weaving in towards the end of Max's tenure with the band. The music was just as uncompromising as it had been before, but with a wider tonal palatte to choose from.

i still like them, even without the Cavalera brothers.

detuned wrote:

I'm sure my opinion is different than most. I think Sepultura kept improving as they went along. I love the Roots album and all the various b-sides that showed up on Blood Rooted (I also saw them on the Roots tour and they were phenomenal).

I also like Soulfly and saw their first tour in Seattle.

I love old school thrash...but I also don't have a problem with bands trying new things and bringing in other influences. I loved the whole tribal/world music angle that Sepultura started weaving in towards the end of Max's tenure with the band. The music was just as uncompromising as it had been before, but with a wider tonal palatte to choose from.

yeah the tribal fusion thing is what lost me I guess. I really only heard that album once or twice from a friend. I suppose after all these years I should give them a listen again as we all have different views of music as we get older.

Is there anything they have done close to pre-Chaos AD sound since then?

chucksteak wrote:

detuned wrote:

I'm sure my opinion is different than most. I think Sepultura kept improving as they went along. I love the Roots album and all the various b-sides that showed up on Blood Rooted (I also saw them on the Roots tour and they were phenomenal).

I also like Soulfly and saw their first tour in Seattle.

I love old school thrash...but I also don't have a problem with bands trying new things and bringing in other influences. I loved the whole tribal/world music angle that Sepultura started weaving in towards the end of Max's tenure with the band. The music was just as uncompromising as it had been before, but with a wider tonal palatte to choose from.

yeah the tribal fusion thing is what lost me I guess. I really only heard that album once or twice from a friend. I suppose after all these years I should give them a listen again as we all have different views of music as we get older.

Is there anything they have done close to pre-Chaos AD sound since then?

Soulfly (especially prophecy and conquer) as well as cavalera conspiracy (inflikted) are pretty close to chaos ad.

The tribal rythms are very interesting. Max Cavalera has matured over the years and he delivers various positive messages through his music.

I haven't even cared since Chaos AD. That album sucked and it just got worse for me. Beneath The Remains is a classic and remains my favorite album of theirs even to this day. No days I could care less and don't like Soulfly, Cavalera Conspiricy, or new Sepultura.

Lurideath wrote:

I haven't even cared since Chaos AD. That album sucked and it just got worse for me. Beneath The Remains is a classic and remains my favorite album of theirs even to this day. No days I could care less and don't like Soulfly, Cavalera Conspiricy, or new Sepultura.

That's exactly the reaction I expected, the instant a group moves out of the acceptable "thrash" format they've sold out and cease to be relevant. That's just too narrow a view for me to be comfortable with. But hey, we all like what we like for our own reasons.

I like some of the stuff I've heard from new sepultura but nothing has got me excited enough to spend money.

detuned wrote:

I'm sure my opinion is different than most. I think Sepultura kept improving as they went along. I love the Roots album and all the various b-sides that showed up on Blood Rooted (I also saw them on the Roots tour and they were phenomenal).

I also like Soulfly and saw their first tour in Seattle.

I love old school thrash...but I also don't have a problem with bands trying new things and bringing in other influences. I loved the whole tribal/world music angle that Sepultura started weaving in towards the end of Max's tenure with the band. The music was just as uncompromising as it had been before, but with a wider tonal palatte to choose from.

Roots is one heavy album even with all the tribal parts. I also think Sep was getting better.

mc666 wrote:

i still like them, even without the Cavalera brothers.

100% agree. I really like the albums with Derrick Green, but it would also be cool if they did do a reunion with Max and Igor.

I think A-Lex is very good (like Dante XXI already was). When I listened at it the first time I didn't like it, but after a few listens more I started to dig it.

Haven't got a-lex yet. But the reviews seem quite positive.

I like Max better with Sepultura even though i didn't like Roots. I thought Against was better than the first couple Soulfly's but now Soulfly is better since Marc Rizzo joined on lead guitar. BTR, Arise and Chaos AD will always be my favorites.

detuned wrote:

I'm sure my opinion is different than most. I think Sepultura kept improving as they went along. I love the Roots album and all the various b-sides that showed up on Blood Rooted (I also saw them on the Roots tour and they were phenomenal).

I also like Soulfly and saw their first tour in Seattle.

I love old school thrash...but I also don't have a problem with bands trying new things and bringing in other influences. I loved the whole tribal/world music angle that Sepultura started weaving in towards the end of Max's tenure with the band. The music was just as uncompromising as it had been before, but with a wider tonal palatte to choose from.

I totally agree with ya detuned.I'm old school all the way but I loved the tribal elements they started incorporating.Roots is one of my favorite Sepultura discs.

Does max still play with 4 strings on his guitar? I remember back around the time of Chaos AD he was supposedly talking to companies about making a 4 string guitar. Obviously everyone was smart enough not to bite on that great marketing idea.

chucksteak wrote:

Does max still play with 4 strings on his guitar? I remember back around the time of Chaos AD he was supposedly talking to companies about making a 4 string guitar. Obviously everyone was smart enough not to bite on that great marketing idea.

Actually, 4 string guitars (called tenor guitars) have been around since 1924. They were originally developed for banjo players that wanted to double on guitar.

That's weird. Just play a bass if you want 4 strings.

Schbopo wrote:

That's dumb. Just play a bass if you want 4 strings.

Uh, it's an octave difference my little Primus friend. It's basically the same as a six string but without the low or high E strings.

detuned wrote:

Schbopo wrote:

That's dumb. Just play a bass if you want 4 strings.

Uh, it's an octave difference my little Primus friend. It's basically the same as a six string but without the low or high E strings.

You send them to school and they eat the books,detuned.

Schbopo wrote:

That's dumb. Just play a bass if you want 4 strings.

or 18

Max could be, but Max, Igor, Paulo and Andreas had great chemistry together.

detuned wrote:

chucksteak wrote:

Does max still play with 4 strings on his guitar? I remember back around the time of Chaos AD he was supposedly talking to companies about making a 4 string guitar. Obviously everyone was smart enough not to bite on that great marketing idea.

Actually, 4 string guitars (called tenor guitars) have been around since 1924. They were originally developed for banjo players that wanted to double on guitar.

well I guess I do learn something new everday! And to think I've been playing guitar for 20 years and have never heard or seen one of these before. Egg on my face.

They aren't very common. I learned about them when I started studying up on Jazz guitarists. There was a player named Tiny Grimes that recorded on and off from the 40's to the 70's, reading the liner notes to one of his albums it mentioned he played a tenor guitar...thus I had to find out what that was.

Max just used a regular 6 string and took the high E and B string off, Andreas filled in any melodic gaps, freeing up Max to just riff.