Bret Michaels owning Joe Elliott..

An even funnier thing to do would be to take everything at face value that is told to us...That would pretty much make us less human, subsequently we would tend to act more robotic. Thank God, I don't adhere to that philosophy in life.


"The kind of metal I grew up with -- Priest and Maiden -- that's dead. The new metal is Korn, Limp Bizkit, Sevendust, The Deftones -- the new age of metal for the new millennium." -- Rob Halford, 1998

Sorry, Fat Freddy, I had to...

I can't say with exact certainty why Fat Freddy uses this as his quote. Is it because he thinks it's a funny quote, or is to show that even the great Rob Halford is fallible?

Quotes like these are precisely the reason why we shouldn't take things at face value. I put a lot more credence into what Rob Halford says over what Joe Elliott says anyday of the week, but even Rob Halford can have a bad day. This quote from 1998 proves it!

metalinmyveins wrote:

"The kind of metal I grew up with -- Priest and Maiden -- that's dead. The new metal is Korn, Limp Bizkit, Sevendust, The Deftones -- the new age of metal for the new millennium." -- Rob Halford, 1998

Sorry, Fat Freddy, I had to...

I can't say with exact certainty why Fat Freddy uses this as his quote. Is it because he thinks it's a funny quote, or is to show that even the great Rob Halford is fallible?

Quotes like these are precisely the reason why we shouldn't take things at face value. I put a lot more credence into what Rob Halford says over what Joe Elliott says anyday of the week, but even Rob Halford can have a bad day. This quote from 1998 proves it!

I use that Halford quote because I find it ironic and hilarious. Also because I always wanted to use that "HEY ROB -- BITE ME ZIPPY!" gag but could never find the right place.

Bah, who knows where the line of metal is? The first two and some of the third DL albums had some NWOBHM influence whether they like it or not in my book but who really cares. I argue for the fun of it. I think Shawn's points about Joe are spot on and it's too bad if they are considered a nostalgia act as the new album is good in it's own right but such is entertainment in the 21st century. As for Bret, isn't he country now?

Great dissscussion but I'd rather read other's posts here than take a chance with my own. The music I like, I judge with my ears and could care less about the image and in most cases the band member's personalities. Besides, in the 80s I was too busy with G.I. Joe, TMNT, He-Man, Nintendo, and other stuff to knwo what was going on in the music world.

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Besides, in the 80s I was too busy with G.I. Joe, TMNT, He-Man, Nintendo, and other stuff to knwo what was going on in the music world.

Good to know some things haven't changed.

metalinmyveins wrote:

An even funnier thing to do would be to take everything at face value that is told to us...That would pretty much make us less human, subsequently we would tend to act more robotic. Thank God, I don't adhere to that philosophy in life.

Funny. You say this...

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"The kind of metal I grew up with -- Priest and Maiden -- that's dead. The new metal is Korn, Limp Bizkit, Sevendust, The Deftones -- the new age of metal for the new millennium." -- Rob Halford, 1998

...while taking this at face value.

emptytomb1 wrote:

As for Bret, isn't he country now?

I don't know, what's popular now?

Fat Freddy wrote:

Wow, this thread has been quite a read.

In my book:

Bret Michaels > Joe Elliott

But just barely, because both of them have been completely irrelevant to me for well over twenty years now.

Bret may not write good songs anymore, but I think he's a really cool dude.

Eyesore wrote:

I love when the fans know better than the bands.

Yeah, really...musicians are too stupid to know what they're doing.

Recognition is the first step for getting help Shawn

Eyesore wrote:

metalinmyveins wrote:

An even funnier thing to do would be to take everything at face value that is told to us...That would pretty much make us less human, subsequently we would tend to act more robotic. Thank God, I don't adhere to that philosophy in life.

Funny. You say this...

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"The kind of metal I grew up with -- Priest and Maiden -- that's dead. The new metal is Korn, Limp Bizkit, Sevendust, The Deftones -- the new age of metal for the new millennium." -- Rob Halford, 1998

...while taking this at face value.

I merely pointed out the flaws based on your hypothesis that because a band says it is so, then that's the be all end all of the discussion.

This statement by Halford goes along way in suggesting that even the most enlightened within the metal community can have a bad quote day. Clearly as fans we've witnessed the sustainability factor as it pertains to Priest and Maiden. Therefore the question has to be raised, should we (with straight faces) subscribe to what Rob Halford endorsed in 1998, since clearly we are the ones that are supposedly in the dark?

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I merely pointed out the flaws based on your hypothesis that because a band says it is so, then that's the be all end all of the discussion.

But you're arguing both sides of the fence, bouncing back and forth. You argue semantics. There is a difference between a band once saying they were a metal band, then out of the blue saying they're not, and a band NEVER saying they were metal. Def Leppard have NEVER in the entire existence said they were a metal band. So when a fan says that they ARE a metal band, I call that incorrect.

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This statement by Halford goes along way in suggesting that even the most enlightened within the metal community can have a bad quote day. Clearly as fans we've witnessed the sustainability factor as it pertains to Priest and Maiden. Therefore the question has to be raised, should we (with straight faces) subscribe to what Rob Halford endorsed in 1998, since clearly we are the ones that are supposedly in the dark?

Semantics. In what context was that said? In 1998, metal was dead. Maybe it was alive and well in the underground, but I'm doubting that Halford was referring to that. Limp Bizkit and Korn and the like were exactly what Halford said they were.

Metal is still pretty much dead. Moonspell just sold 800 copies of their new album in the US. That's about as dead as it gets.

I thought this thread was about Joe looking merry, even though he was bagging on dudes for looking ga y.

Who knew my Rob Halford '98 quote would cause such a commotion?

Joe Elliot can say anything he likes, but I feel perfectly fine
disagreeing with him. By any criteria you would care to mention, Def
Leppard were a NWOBHM band when they started. Saying they were not is
historical revisionism, even if it does come from the band themselves.
I believe Mike Sweet has stated the same thing, that Stryper was never
a metal band. He's wrong as well.

And that Rob Halford quote always cracks me up. I disagree with that as well.

Eyesore wrote:

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I merely pointed out the flaws based on your hypothesis that because a band says it is so, then that's the be all end all of the discussion.

But you're arguing both sides of the fence, bouncing back and forth. You argue semantics. There is a difference between a band once saying they were a metal band, then out of the blue saying they're not, and a band NEVER saying they were metal. Def Leppard have NEVER in the entire existence said they were a metal band. So when a fan says that they ARE a metal band, I call that incorrect.

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This statement by Halford goes along way in suggesting that even the most enlightened within the metal community can have a bad quote day. Clearly as fans we've witnessed the sustainability factor as it pertains to Priest and Maiden. Therefore the question has to be raised, should we (with straight faces) subscribe to what Rob Halford endorsed in 1998, since clearly we are the ones that are supposedly in the dark?

Semantics. In what context was that said? In 1998, metal was dead. Maybe it was alive and well in the underground, but I'm doubting that Halford was referring to that. Limp Bizkit and Korn and the like were exactly what Halford said they were.

Metal is still pretty much dead. Moonspell just sold 800 copies of their new album in the US. That's about as dead as it gets.

My main point of the argument was this: You're stating unequivocally that when a band comes and declares something, then it should be held to the level of scripture? We should take them at their word, and those who argue against what they're saying are fools?

I posted the Rob Halford quote, because I don't think for a second that we should believe everything that comes out of their mouths. Not only that, but that quote which sounded ridiculous back then, sounds even more ridiculous today.

I presented a Mick Mars analogy some posts ago, but you dismissed it as not making any sense. It made a ton of sense.

I'll restate it. Mick Mars couldn't stand the album "Theater of Pain", and for various reasons. So, if we're to take Mick at his word that the album really isn't worth a darn, then everyone should just fall in line, because Mick Mars said so??? You stated that it was silly of us to question the band, since we're only the fans. So, by that definition, then everyone should just fall in line, and agree with Mick on how bad the album was, because how can he be wrong?

People should be held up to somekind of standard, and one of the most important is that which is called consistency. Whether Joe ever stated they were heavy metal way back in the day is irrelevant, because Joe never did anything to distance he or his band away from that tag. I guess in Joe's case, he would consider it guilt by association. It wasn't until heavy metal wasn't fashionable anymore when Joe turned his back on the scene completely. If Joe hated that scene so much, then he and his band are hypocrites for going down that path. Have other bands ever gone the route that Def Leppard rode? Sure, but I don't see them coming out time after time, slamming the industry that gave them their start. And that is the difference!!!

i'd hate to close my own thread......

Do it.

people are civil so far, even though it's obviously redundant.

Do it.

spectrefate wrote:

Do it.

I'll get this sucker locked-up quick.

Who is the more greater legend:

Dimebag Darrell or Kurt Cobain

MetalGuy71 wrote:

spectrefate wrote:

Do it.

I'll get this sucker locked-up quick.

Who is the more greater legend:

Dimebag Darrell or Kurt Cobain

Kirk Hammett!

Tall Tyrion wrote:

MetalGuy71 wrote:

spectrefate wrote:

Do it.

I'll get this sucker locked-up quick.

Who is the more greater legend:

Dimebag Darrell or Kurt Cobain

Kirk Hammett!

Do you think his solos will be more better on Magnetic Death than they were on St. Angrier?

What do you mean? His solos on St. Anger were sick! You can't top those!

metalinmyveins wrote:

My main point of the argument was this: You're stating unequivocally that when a band comes and declares something, then it should be held to the level of scripture? We should take them at their word, and those who argue against what they're saying are fools?

And like I said, you're arguing fragments and semantics. I never said what you suggest I said. You're taking one statement out of context, disregarding everything I said previous. You can't do that.

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I'll restate it. Mick Mars couldn't stand the album "Theater of Pain", and for various reasons. So, if we're to take Mick at his word that the album really isn't worth a darn, then everyone should just fall in line, because Mick Mars said so??? You stated that it was silly of us to question the band, since we're only the fans. So, by that definition, then everyone should just fall in line, and agree with Mick on how bad the album was, because how can he be wrong?

I dismissed it as a joke because it doesn't apply. You're comparing two entirely different things. And if you really expect this comparison to fly, you should try arguing with kids on an emo forum.

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People should be held up to somekind of standard, and one of the most important is that which is called consistency.

You mean like consistently, for 30 years, saying that you're a rock band, that you write rock music? Or should a band just bend over and let the fans dictate what kind of band they are?

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Whether Joe ever stated they were heavy metal way back in the day is irrelevant, because Joe never did anything to distance he or his band away from that tag. I guess in Joe's case, he would consider it guilt by association. It wasn't until heavy metal wasn't fashionable anymore when Joe turned his back on the scene completely. If Joe hated that scene so much, then he and his band are hypocrites for going down that path. Have other bands ever gone the route that Def Leppard rode? Sure, but I don't see them coming out time after time, slamming the industry that gave them their start. And that is the difference!!!

And again, this is complete nonsense. Why didn't Halford admit that he was a homosexual until the 90s?

EDIT: No need to lock the thread. We cool.