Over-the-top or gone-to-far?

Thanks for the honest reply. I appreciate your perspective, especially since you help these bands reach larger audiences.

My take on the topic: the band doesn't have the best grip on the English language. They are obviously fans of the genre, and heard something similar in a song from the heyday of the scene. They probably thought that it sounded cool, or tough, or whatever. Not understanding the language all that great, they decided to write something similar.

Plausible, no?

I can think of one song right off the top of my head, from '92, that had a similar lyric (Cyperus - Society Saves). However the song is actually about the ills of society and how twisted the world can be. I could see how someone that isn't good with English could just 'hear words' and not 'meanings' behind them.

Even Dire Straits used the word Fagg0t in money for nothing.

I'm torn on this. I don't really have much of a problem with it and I can't help but think that other groups (Christians, for one) get a harder time from certain metal acts, and no-one really complains too hard. I also understand that a lot of bands are trying to be 'retro' so you can give some leeway for slightly different attitudes that have their roots in the eighties. I honestly, don't think, after listening to the band, that they are calling for anyone to be killed.

But the fact is that attitudes have changed and a lot of people will not be okay with this, I also think that this is okay, free speech goes both ways and although the band have a right to say what they like, others have the right to call them a bunch of ass hats and not buy their records.

All the way through this I have been reminded of a nursery rhyme from my (and everyone else's) childhood.

Eeny, meeny, miny, moe,
Catch a tiger by the toe.
If he hollers, let him go,
Eeny, meeny, miny, moe

Well, when I was a child, the word wasn't tiger!! It was a similar word but definitely not tiger. But that word doesn't really get used any more other than by screaming racists or gangster rappers, the rhyme was considered okay because it was from the past and it had always been like that. Now attitudes have changed because people just don't think that it's an okay word no matter what the historical context.

I'm not sure people within this scene realize how many LGBT teens listen to metal. From my experience it's quite a lot. Being a teen is tough, being a ga-hey teen is tougher. The anger, rebellion and fantasy elements of the music are very attractive to young people who feel different, it's outsider music! Metal at it's best is a celebration of being an outsider (KISS at their best and Twisted Sister come to mind) not, find someone who's more of an outsider than you and kill them.

So to try to bring some clarity to this rambling overblown post. I hope that the band learn from this and realize that eighties bull doesn't really cut it in 2013, but I don't have a problem with Stormspell or anyone else releasing their records. I'll not be buying it though.

Just looked at the preview of this post and my old friend ga-hey is back, why not go the whole hog and accompany it with a Z shaped finger snap!

I only have a problem with such things if it's intent is to target people for their sexual orientation. While it is still offensive, I have less issue if the "other F-word" is used as a descriptive adjective. But that is more since I'll be the last to throw stones from my glass house when it comes to that word unfortunately.

And as an aside, I've never gotten the whole "poser" thing. Like why would you care.

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My take on the topic: the band doesn't have the best grip on the English language.

That's what I thought too. Ult sez the band in question is from Taiwan, I'm betting that their grasp of English is limited to whatever they can lift from the lyric sheets of old thrash records, many of which were released in a less, shall we say, "politically correct" era. Their use of the "f" word, in context with those lyrics, most likely means "posers" or "people who don't thrash." Typical playground-taunt nonsense.

A lot of the late '80s bands from Brazil and South America featured similarly un-PC (and as a result, unintentionally hilarious to native English speakers) lyrical sentiments.

I mean, c'mon, just try to make it through a Sarcofago, Sextrash, or MX lyric sheet without busting into a few chuckles. My absolute favorite: Sarcofago's "Ready to @#$% All the B**ches," which features the classic refrain "I will lick you of the feets 'til the head, making you fell torrential orgasms!" -- woo, ya big romantic lug, you...

Eyesore wrote:

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Boris2008 wrote:

Okay the software on this site is crazy. It has actually changed my not at all homophobic word for something that is!! I'm not taking the blame for the word ga-hey!!

Send me a PM and let me know what word got changed, I'll take a look at our silly filtering to make sure valid terms aren't also being altered.

Why not just get rid of all the censored words?

I believe the cuss-word filter is there to get around work-related web filters, not to police the users. So I can safely post this...Eat my

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I don't even care. I don't find it offensive. Is the music actually good though?

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My take on the topic: the band doesn't have the best grip on the English language.

I thought this until I read that the guy who wrote the lyrics to this song (their old singer) has already released a statement about this, completely distancing himself from the song and stating that this lyric has been added since he left the band. Why would they feel it necessary to change the lyrics if they didn't understand what they meant?

I don't want it to appear as though I'm raging angry about this, I'm not, I just find it disappointing that there are still some real cave dwellers in the metal world and plenty of people who are happy to accept lame excuses. Kind of what put me off metal as I reached the end of my teens.

The old Norwegian black metal scene had the slogan, Drep De Kristne, meaning Kill The Christians. They only managed to get their own leader killed though.....

I still don't think they actually meant it in the literal term, like others mentioned, I think it was just they're way of saying posers.

Vexer6 wrote:

I still don't think they actually meant it in the literal term, like others mentioned, I think it was just they're way of saying posers.

That's likely it.

It would offend me to the point of not listening to it. Not to the point that I would go out of my way to rally against them.

But the contradiction here is that I will still listen to M.O.D. Maybe it's because I got into them before I ever really thought about things like that.

There are other bands that I like, but have songs I find a bit reprehensible. At War is the big one ("Rapechase"--don't find this funny in the least, so I skip it). There are some mysoginistic lyrics in tunes by Vio-lence, Overkill, and others, that I just tend to skip. Also, a lot of these bands were younger (I assume, 25 years ago and all) when the songs were penned, and could be disgusted by those lyrics now, for all I know.

Rob Flynn seems like a cool guy.

Though I am positive Billy Milano has no regrets.

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But the contradiction here is that I will still listen to M.O.D. Maybe it's because I got into them before I ever really thought about things like that.

Some of those M.O.D. lyrics were hard to swallow even when the album first came out. Aren't You Hungry being particularly vile.

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ZombieHavoc wrote:

But the contradiction here is that I will still listen to M.O.D. Maybe it's because I got into them before I ever really thought about things like that.

Some of those M.O.D. lyrics were hard to swallow even when the album first came out. Aren't You Hungry being particularly vile.

100% agree with that. I do skip that tune every time I throw on USA for MOD. I was too young to get into the band (I was 9 when it came out). Discovered them and SOD later as a teenager. And just didn't really consider the impact of what he was saying.

Now, it is weird, because I love listening to the music of both SOD and MOD. But some tracks are just, as you said, vile. SOD's "Speak English or Die", to begin with (but not the only one, of course), I hate listening to those, so I don't. But "Freddy Kreuger" or MOD's "Don't Feed the Bears"...love those.

Another thing that bothers me, since we are on the subject, is Slayer's cover of Minor Threat's "Guilty of Being White". Changing the lyric to "Guilty of Being Right" has never sat well with me. I've read King's claim that it was supposed to be joky, tongue-in-cheek or whatever. Not particularly funny to me.

Kinda makes tracks like "Angel of Death" or "Behind the Crooked Cross" come across a little differently.

I just think it's cool that for once there's an actual metal fans' conversation about lyrics rather than "I don't pay attention to lyrics (unless they're religious then I hate the band)".

Lyrics aren't why I listen to music, so for the most part nothing bothers me except racist stuff. That's just ignorance put to a tune.

I am sure if I understood what some bands were grunting and/or growling about, I'd probably not listen to them anymore. On the other hand, lyrics degrading woman as being merely objects of sexual conquest and then kicking them to the curb afterwards is just as offensive as lyrics about goat raping, eating animal dingle-berries, or sacraficing baby space monkeys on the dark side of the moon.

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On the other hand, lyrics degrading woman as being merely objects of sexual conquest and then kicking them to the curb afterwards

Suddenly this thread is making me feel guilty for how much I love the Mentors.

Lyrics are pretty key to me.

One thing I find interesting is my distaste for certain things, since my son was born. Certain stuff that used to not really bother me, now really does.

I have basically stopped listening to death metal, completely. Most of the lyrical content just doesn't seem appealing to me any more. Anything overly violent. Like, things can still be violent. I'm still going to watch Die Hard, so no reason not to listen to thrash metal.

But I really just started to re-evaluate the things I want to present to my son as important...and "Tombs of the Mutilated" just doesn't make the cut.

There are admittedly some Christian bands whose lyrics that I find rather off-putting, like Bride, from they're lyrics I get the impression from Dale has no respect for anyone who is not a Christian(or as I call that, the Kirk Cameron attitude), which IMO makes him sound like a douche(also not a fan of Deliverance's "What A Joke either for suggesting that homosexuality is a joke, when it's anything but), likewise Ted Nugent's lyrics sometimes get too "conservative" for my liking, he sounds like a very unplesant person to be around.

I don't take bands like S.O.D. or MOD seriously, so they're lyrics don't really bother me. For me one of the most off-putting songs lyrics wise is Galactic Cowboys "If I Were A Killer"
As I absolutely HATE it when people say abortion is murder, to me that's an incredibly ignorant view to have, it pisses me off to no end when brain-dead morons like Rush Limbaugh and Victoria Jackson try to compare abortion to the Sandy Hook massacre, that's just downright despicable. Regardless of how you feel about abortion, I think it's a womens rights to choose and men have NO place to try and step on womens rights(unless they're the father of the child) sorry for getting a little off-track there.

Vexer6 wrote:

There are admittedly some Christian bands whose lyrics that I find rather off-putting, like Bride, from they're lyrics I get the impression from Dale has no respect for anyone who is not a Christian, which IMO makes sound like a douche(also not a fan of Deliverance's "What A Joke either for suggesting that homosexuality is a joke, when it's anything but), likewise Ted Nugent's lyrics sometimes get too "conservative" for my liking, he sounds like a very unplesant person to be around.

I don't take bands like S.O.D. or MOD seriously, so they're lyrics don't really bother me. For me one of the most off-putting songs lyrics wise is Galactic Cowboys "If I Were A Killer"
I absolutely HATE it when people say abortion is murder, to me it's an incredibly ignorant view to have, it pisses me off to no end when brain-dead morons like Rush Limbaugh and Victoria Jackson try to compare abortion to the Sandy Hook massacre, that's just downright despicable. Regardless of how you feel about abortion, I think it's a womens rights to choose and men have NO place to try and step on womens rights(unless they're the father of the child) sorry for getting a little off-track there.

I recently discovered Deliverance and liked what I've heard. I'm not religious so I never really sought out religious bands, but certainly won't discriminate against them if they rule. However, I am inclined to not want to listen to them after reading that interpretation of their song. Of course, like I said about a lot of the other bands, they wrote that song over 20 years ago...their ideas about things could certainly have matured.

Nugent's politics bother me. I don't care if people are conservative, I will still listen to them. But some of what he says (not lyrics, per se, that I am aware of), just sound so hateful. His public persona turns me off of his music. Though I will still rock to "Cat Scratch Fever" when it comes on the radio. But aside from the Amboy Dukes, you won't really catch me buying any of his music.

Nugent's lyrics never really bothered me (though they are silly) but I made the mistake of seeing him in concert (opening for Kiss) and his between song banter was loaded with sexist, racist, homophobic garbage. I vowed to never give him another dime of my money, I haven't listened to him since.

S.D. wrote:

Nugent's lyrics never really bothered me (though they are silly) but I made the mistake of seeing him in concert (opening for Kiss) and his between song banter was loaded with sexist, racist, homophobic garbage. I vowed to never give him another dime of my money, I haven't listened to him since.

I was supposed to see KISS on that your with Nugent (I assume it's the same one, though, I guess they easily could've toured together in the past several decades). 2001 or thereabouts.

I didn't end up getting tickets. Sold out. Some of my friends told me how ridiculous he was, though. I wanted to go for KISS anyway.

S.D. wrote:

Nugent's lyrics never really bothered me (though they are silly) but I made the mistake of seeing him in concert (opening for Kiss) and his between song banter was loaded with sexist, racist, homophobic garbage. I vowed to never give him another dime of my money, I haven't listened to him since.

I enjoy his 80s material, but I don't listen to anything from the 2000s or so onward, then was when his lyrics started getting particularly bad.

Fat Freddy wrote:

Suddenly this thread is making me feel guilty for how much I love the Mentors.