I used to have the first one.. (With Vilest Of Worms To Dwell)...coming from someone who knows a bunch about a bunch of symphonic metal, the album was not unenjoyable, but it felt too stiff, too restrained....there was too much repetition for what they were trying to do....very scarce on bridge parts, solos..transitional things that take the song somewhere else and back again. Summoning narrowly gets away with that approach, but Hollenthon doesn't..The vocals I could take or leave, it all kind of felt like diet symphonic metal, and growling being in it didn't suddenly make it more extreme or anything for me. There was a lot of promise, still. I haven't heard their newest one yet.