Puppet of Destruction re-issue

**UNCLE SAXON** · Subject: Re: Puppet of Destruction re-issue Wed Jun 17, 2009 7:13 pm

kmorg wrote:

ultmetal wrote:

kmorg wrote:

ultmetal wrote:

Would you guys really want FATAL DELAY as bonus tracks?

To be honest, both yes and no. It would be great to have them on CD, but they donæt belong on Puppet. They should have been on Symphonic, if you ask me.

Maybe on a seperate CD for pre-orders only, sort of like Roxx did with the Thresher release?

Excellent idea! Where do I order! Laughing

That'd be the only cohesive way to get FD out there. I don't think FD sucks - it just does not sound anything like Ultimatum, for the most part. I mean, there is a reason that Pantera never officially re-issued the first 4.....

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BillRoxx · Subject: Re: Puppet of Destruction re-issue Thu Jun 18, 2009 4:05 am

So if we could pull this off and re-release with a special limited edition of 100 only as a 2 disc version with the full 'FATAL DELAY' demo....

Could we get a lot of support to do this with pre-orders? These can prove costly but if the band is in to it and we can pull it off as a limited edtition release....

Roxx will do it! and be honored, as Ultimatum is one of our personal favs!

GrandNational · Subject: Re: Puppet of Destruction re-issue Thu Jun 18, 2009 5:52 am

BillRoxx wrote:

So if we could pull this off and re-release with a special limited edition of 100 only as a 2 disc version with the full 'FATAL DELAY' demo....

Could we get a lot of support to do this with pre-orders? These can prove costly but if the band is in to it and we can pull it off as a limited edtition release....

Roxx will do it! and be honored, as Ultimatum is one of our personal favs!

I'll be satisfied with a single disk as long as the remixed version of
Never and Testament's Sins of Omission are included as bonus cuts, plus
whatever Scott want to put on it.

If Wickedness and Perdition and Fatal Delay are already included on the Symphonic Extremities re-release, why not just put All I Need and Plea for Holiness on this one plus the aforementioned 2 tracks?

If you plan on putting a limited edition with 2 disks having all of FD on the second, go for it if people want it.

Troublezone · Subject: Re: Puppet of Destruction re-issue Thu Jun 18, 2009 6:36 am

As long as Puppet is remastered and includes Sins of Omission i'll be fine. Were lucky that it's even being considered... Smile

**ultmetal** · Administrator Number of posts: 10811 Registration date: 2007-01-04

Spoke to Bill and Robert last night. Looks like this might be a go. I'll have to dig out the original master tapes of this. Will keep you all in the loop. Thanks for caring enough about this CD to make the request to begin with.

ult

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**SpectreFate** · Subject: Re: Puppet of Destruction re-issue Thu Jun 18, 2009 12:28 pm

ultmetal wrote:

Spoke to Bill and Robert last night. Looks like this might be a go. I'll have to dig out the original master tapes of this. Will keep you all in the loop. Thanks for caring enough about this CD to make the request to begin with.

ult

Was listening to it last night getting excited about a reissue. I'd love to hear it the way the band wanted it to sound.

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Troublezone · Subject: Re: Puppet of Destruction re-issue Thu Jun 18, 2009 12:33 pm

ultmetal wrote:

Spoke to Bill and Robert last night. Looks like this might be a go. I'll have to dig out the original master tapes of this. Will keep you all in the loop. Thanks for caring enough about this CD to make the request to begin with.

ult

It would be nice to see Ultimatum open for the big dogs one day. And to get more of your music out there...

**ultmetal** · Administrator Number of posts: 10811 Registration date: 2007-01-04

Troublezone wrote:

ultmetal wrote:

Spoke to Bill and Robert last night. Looks like this might be a go. I'll have to dig out the original master tapes of this. Will keep you all in the loop. Thanks for caring enough about this CD to make the request to begin with.

ult

It would be nice to see Ultimatum open for the big dogs one day. And to get more of your music out there...

It would be nice... :metal:

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**kmorg** · Subject: Re: Puppet of Destruction re-issue Thu Jun 18, 2009 4:54 pm

GrandNational wrote:

BillRoxx wrote:

So if we could pull this off and re-release with a special limited edition of 100 only as a 2 disc version with the full 'FATAL DELAY' demo....

Could we get a lot of support to do this with pre-orders? These can prove costly but if the band is in to it and we can pull it off as a limited edtition release....

Roxx will do it! and be honored, as Ultimatum is one of our personal favs!

I'll be satisfied with a single disk as long as the remixed version of
Never and Testament's Sins of Omission are included as bonus cuts, plus
whatever Scott want to put on it.

If Wickedness and Perdition and Fatal Delay are already included on the Symphonic Extremities re-release, why not just put All I Need and Plea for Holiness on this one plus the aforementioned 2 tracks?

If you plan on putting a limited edition with 2 disks having all of FD on the second, go for it if people want it.

I don't know, I've always been a geek when it comes to bonus material. I like re-issues that have songs from the time period as the original release. That is why I feel FD doesn't belong on Puppet. And that is why I thought it should have been added to the reissue of Symphonic. But since that didn't hppen, I'd love to have it as a bonus disc for the upcoming reissue.

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**UNCLE SAXON** · Subject: Re: Puppet of Destruction re-issue Thu Jun 18, 2009 6:19 pm

Excellent job GrandNational! Your efforts are appreciated.

And I like the "100 pre-orders 2cd" idea. I have dibs on the first 100 [your copy will be available through unclesaxon.com at only twice the price]!!

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GrandNational · Subject: Re: Puppet of Destruction re-issue Thu Jun 18, 2009 7:38 pm

UNCLE SAXON wrote:

Excellent job GrandNational! Your efforts are appreciated.

And I like the "100 pre-orders 2cd" idea. I have dibs on the first 100 [your copy will be available through unclesaxon.com at only twice the price]!!

You're welcome Uncle Saxon. I brought this to Scott's attention and then he encouraged me to get this started, and here we are, pretty much a done deal to get this rollin'. That's why I love this board and the people involved, it's a true community of metal believers :metal:

7thSecond · Subject: Re: Puppet of Destruction re-issue Sat Jun 20, 2009 8:12 pm

I wish I could get behind this idea more but this was the very first lyrically Christian themed cd I ever bought so I kinda like it the way it is. You know how nastalgia can be. That said I would be willing to buy a copy of the re-issue just to have as I admit it could've been a little better, that and I support Ultimatum whenever possible. I have 2 t-shirts and 5 cd's.

shine.is.dead · Subject: Re: Puppet of Destruction re-issue Mon Jun 22, 2009 8:46 pm

I am all for this. Everyone has valid points. I think the ideal reissue would include the entirety of "Puppets," as well as "Sins of Omission," "Mortal Stomp '08," and the "Never" remix on disc 1, and then the "Fatal Delay" demo for the pre-order disc 2. Maybe some bonus live cuts on the second disc as well?

Regardless, I'd be happy with just the original record remixed and remastered with BASS so that it sounds as good as we all know it should have!

**ultmetal** · Administrator Number of posts: 10811 Registration date: 2007-01-04

I'm looking forward to this release as well. Ever since it was first released we've wanted it remastered. Whoever mastered the disc in Australia obviously had a lot of false bottom end in their studio speakers.

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**SpectreFate** · Subject: Re: Puppet of Destruction re-issue Tue Jun 23, 2009 12:46 pm

ult, Will the packaging be the same with your art or will that be updated as well?

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**ultmetal** · Administrator Number of posts: 10811 Registration date: 2007-01-04

SpectreFate wrote:

ult, Will the packaging be the same with your art or will that be updated as well?

We're talking about that now. What do you think? Should we redo the cover or leave it as it is?

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**SpectreFate** · Subject: Re: Puppet of Destruction re-issue Tue Jun 23, 2009 1:06 pm

I'd personally like to see Rex or you whip something up. That way it's like a revamping of the whole album. Although there's nothing wrong with the original art, IMO.

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shine.is.dead · Subject: Re: Puppet of Destruction re-issue Tue Jun 23, 2009 4:32 pm

Yeah, it'd be cool to keep the same style, the same puppet with scissors theme but update it, kinda like the recent Deliverance remasters of S/T and Weapons

**ultmetal** · Administrator Number of posts: 10811 Registration date: 2007-01-04

Sid wrote:

Hello everyone. I hope you don't mind Scott forwarding these emails to me...

Thank you Will! Smile

If there's anything that I really dislike today from a recording standpoint, it's the mastering volume war! My understanding is that I will have the opportunity to remaster "Puppet" and my overall goal is to make the album sound more dimensional, a little more volume (while retaining dynamic integrity), and trying to minimize some of the brittleness of the guitar/cymbals while rounding out the bottom end. Although the "Puppet" drum triggers and direct guitar tone are dated and have their limitations, I'm sure that the overall album can be greatly improved. Ultimatum and I are certianly honing in on their true sound these days and we are excited about their latest release, which I feel is really close to acheiving what this band is truely about.

Best regards,

Sid

Sight 16 Studios
ABQ, NM

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GrandNational · Subject: Re: Puppet of Destruction re-issue Tue Jun 23, 2009 7:06 pm

ultmetal wrote:

Sid wrote:

Hello everyone. I hope you don't mind Scott forwarding these emails to me...

Thank you Will! Smile

If there's anything that I really dislike today from a recording standpoint, it's the mastering volume war! My understanding is that I will have the opportunity to remaster "Puppet" and my overall goal is to make the album sound more dimensional, a little more volume (while retaining dynamic integrity), and trying to minimize some of the brittleness of the guitar/cymbals while rounding out the bottom end. Although the "Puppet" drum triggers and direct guitar tone are dated and have their limitations, I'm sure that the overall album can be greatly improved. Ultimatum and I are certianly honing in on their true sound these days and we are excited about their latest release, which I feel is really close to acheiving what this band is truely about.

Best regards,

Sid

Sight 16 Studios
ABQ, NM

Coolness. Sounds good. I can't believe what a few e-mails can do.

7thSecond · Subject: Re: Puppet of Destruction re-issue Tue Jun 23, 2009 9:42 pm

ultmetal wrote:

SpectreFate wrote:

ult, Will the packaging be the same with your art or will that be updated as well?

We're talking about that now. What do you think? Should we redo the cover or leave it as it is?

I say you change it to look like a Bruce Dickinson cover. Laughing very hard

**kmorg** · Subject: Re: Puppet of Destruction re-issue Wed Jun 24, 2009 4:02 pm

Don't change the cover. I've nver been a fan of that.

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**ultmetal** · Administrator Number of posts: 10811 Registration date: 2007-01-04

7thSecond wrote:

ultmetal wrote:

SpectreFate wrote:

ult, Will the packaging be the same with your art or will that be updated as well?

We're talking about that now. What do you think? Should we redo the cover or leave it as it is?

I say you change it to look like a Bruce Dickinson cover. Laughing very hard

LOL! I should include that HM review! :metal:

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BillRoxx · Subject: Re: Puppet of Destruction re-issue Thu Jul 02, 2009 4:15 am

UNCLE SAXON SAYS:

"Excellent job GrandNational! Your efforts are appreciated.

And I like the "100 pre-orders 2cd" idea. I have dibs on the first 100 [your copy will be available through unclesaxon.com at only twice the price]!!"

That was funny I might have to use that somewhere Smile

powermacho · Subject: Re: Puppet of Destruction re-issue Thu Jul 02, 2009 4:46 am

I got to know ultimatum by most of the songs from Puppets Of destruction. It means that this is the album from the band that I have always wanted :metal:

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