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PostSubject: Re: Cinderella Discography   Sun May 13, 2012 8:34 pm

LCW is my favourite release from Cinderella, straddling the sounds of the debut with their increasingly bluesy rock to perfection. Whilst each album has something to recommend them, this is the most played one. Musically so far ahead of the majority of glam bands they got lumped with.
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PostSubject: Re: Cinderella Discography   Mon May 14, 2012 12:24 pm

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Which leads me also to the question: Would the band have been more popular with a better name? Cinderella does sound stupid and you either expect an all-female group or a female fronted band not a blues-based Hard Rock band.


Hard to say, they've sold over 20million albums so they're not doing too badly.
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PostSubject: Re: Cinderella Discography   Tue May 15, 2012 11:37 am

Long Cold Winter was where I really became a fan of the band. It was a great album back in it's release and it still holds up today. I've been spinning it in my car on the way to and from work this week. Kinda nice to slip back into an album that I can sing along with on every track, even the non-hits.

Cinderella did a nice job of stepping it up from their debut on this album. Yea, it went into a more bluesy direction and lost a little of the metallic sheen of the debut, but the song writing greatly improved here too. They could have just recycled the same cheesy sex/drugs/rock n roll cliches of other hair bands of the day, but they went in a slightly different direction. This is why this album still holds up and doesn't sound dated to me.

It would be on the Long Cold Winter tour that I saw them live for the first time too, way up in the rafters of the old Spectrum in Philadelphia.

Great album and probably my favorite by them.

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PostSubject: Re: Cinderella Discography   Tue May 15, 2012 8:38 pm

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would be on the Long Cold Winter tour that I saw them live for the first time too, way up in the rafters of the old Spectrum in Philadelphia.


Wow, you're old.
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PostSubject: Re: Cinderella Discography   Wed May 16, 2012 9:43 am

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would be on the Long Cold Winter tour that I saw them live for the first time too, way up in the rafters of the old Spectrum in Philadelphia.


Wow, you're old.

I prefer the term "vintage". I'm aging like a fine wine. drunken

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PostSubject: Re: Cinderella Discography   Wed May 16, 2012 11:04 am

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Which leads me also to the question: Would the band have been more popular with a better name? Cinderella does sound stupid and you either expect an all-female group or a female fronted band not a blues-based Hard Rock band.


Hard to say, they've sold over 20million albums so they're not doing too badly.


I don't think it would have mattered, once the band got lumped in with the hair metal movement, once that musical genre became passe, there albums were thrown in the waste bin and radio, fans, and magazines felt free to ignore them.
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PostSubject: Re: Cinderella Discography   Wed May 16, 2012 1:17 pm

True. I was thinking the question was more along the lines of the first couple album selling even more if the name was different.
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PostSubject: Re: Cinderella Discography   Wed May 16, 2012 1:57 pm

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True. I was thinking the question was more along the lines of the first couple album selling even more if the name was different.

Back in the day, we thought nothing of listening to a band named after a hearing impaired jungle cat. Cinderella didn't sound any better or worse.

There was also a rumor at the time that the band's name and logo design came from a porn based on the Disney movie. While I've never seen any proof if that being true, we certainly didn't find anything wrong with it.

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PostSubject: Re: Cinderella Discography   Wed May 16, 2012 2:52 pm

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There was also a rumor at the time that the band's name and logo design came from a porn based on the Disney movie. While I've never seen any proof if that being true, we certainly didn't find anything wrong with it.

After an exhaustive Google search of retro porn, I found an adult feature from 1977 with the title 'Cinderella' in an Olde English-style font slightly reminiscent of their logo. I'm not posting the cover here for obvious reasons, but it could very well have been the basis for that rumor. I also seem to recall that Tom Keifer's girlfriend (wife?) was an artist and came up with the logo.

I guess either story could be legit or completely bogus. Believe what you want.

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PostSubject: Re: Cinderella Discography   Wed May 16, 2012 4:28 pm

LCW - probably Cinderella's best album.
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PostSubject: Re: Cinderella Discography   Wed May 16, 2012 6:09 pm

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LCW - probably Cinderella's best album.

Ain't no "probably" about it.

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PostSubject: Re: Cinderella Discography   Wed May 16, 2012 8:37 pm

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thejokeriv wrote:
LCW - probably Cinderella's best album.

Ain't no "probably" about it.

OK, twist my arm and convince me - LOL!!!! Yes, it is, better than night songs and fartbreak station
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PostSubject: Re: Cinderella Discography   Wed May 16, 2012 9:30 pm

Listening to it in the car this week. Still sounds great, and I can't get Gypsy Road out of my head!
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PostSubject: Re: Cinderella Discography   Fri May 18, 2012 6:10 pm



The third album by Cinderella dropped in 1990 and had some people scratching their heads while losing some of their audience as it didn't go triple platinum and didn't have a top 20 single like the first two albums. Yet for all that this is a true rock and roll album, building on the blues base they'd had especially on LCW and honing it razor sharp, Keifer's songwriting is more mature with songs like Winds of Change and pointed with songs like Shelter Me. Heartbreak Station is drenched in the roots of American music, gospel, blues, rock n roll and theres even a little country sound on One For Rock n Roll. Coming out on the cusp of the grunge revolution this album could almost be considered the cut off point from 80's hair metal though i'm sure many would argue that point.

Interesting note. John Paul Jones helped do some string arangements on a couple songs.
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PostSubject: Re: Cinderella Discography   Fri May 18, 2012 6:39 pm

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The third album by Cinderella dropped in 1990 and had some people scratching their heads while losing some of their audience as it didn't go triple platinum and didn't have a top 20 single like the first two albums. Yet for all that this is a true rock and roll album, building on the blues base they'd had especially on LCW and honing it razor sharp, Keifer's songwriting is more mature with songs like Winds of Change and pointed with songs like Shelter Me. Heartbreak Station is drenched in the roots of American music, gospel, blues, rock n roll and theres even a little country sound on One For Rock n Roll. Coming out on the cusp of the grunge revolution this album could almost be considered the cut off point from 80's hair metal though i'm sure many would argue that point.

Interesting note. John Paul Jones helped do some string arangements on a couple songs.
This is actually my favorite album from Cinderella.

I have them all but this and the Best Of are really the only ones I still listen to.

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PostSubject: Re: Cinderella Discography   Fri May 18, 2012 7:05 pm

This is where they lost me. Too much faux-blues for my taste, at least at the time and I have never bothered to revisit it.
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PostSubject: Re: Cinderella Discography   Fri May 18, 2012 9:03 pm

This is my favorite album by them

I don't get the faux-blues comment. Blues is a feel thing that can't be taught. You either have it or you don't. The production may be a bit over the top for blues based hard rock ? To each their own.

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PostSubject: Re: Cinderella Discography   Fri May 18, 2012 9:38 pm

Faux? I think they did blues based stuff because it's what they were.
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PostSubject: Re: Cinderella Discography   Fri May 18, 2012 11:19 pm

I don't mean Faux-blues in a bad way or that they weren't being authentic. It's just that at that point in time, many hard rock bands were going this route and I had lost interest in it. I prefer their harder-edged, earlier material.
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PostSubject: Re: Cinderella Discography   Sat May 19, 2012 12:04 pm

Haven't heard this one in a long while, as it's the only Cinderella disc I have yet to upgrade to CD. I really dug it when it first came out though. At first the shift from bluesy "hard rock" to simply "blues rock" took some time to get into, but eventually I "got" it.

I was in college when this came out and wrote a review of it for the campus paper that makes me cringe when I look at it today. The last line of it says, and I quote, "Together with the Black Crowes, Cinderella are poised to kick off a whole new decade of blues-based rock supremacy. Get in on the ground floor now!" -- ugh, yeah, sure, whatever you say kid. The review ran in March of 1991 and if memory serves, Nirvana's NEVERMIND was released in April 1991. So yeah, I sure called that one didn't I?

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PostSubject: Re: Cinderella Discography   Sat May 19, 2012 3:02 pm

I loved 'Heartbreak Station' maybe because I am such Rolling Stones fan and I saw this as the band's attempt to do their own, slightly heavier version of 'Let It Bleed' album.

Interesting enough the engineer on some of those Mick Taylor Stones albums is Andy Johns the producer of this disc.

I have not heard this album in years but I am going to blow the dust off the album and take this CD out for a spin.
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PostSubject: Re: Cinderella Discography   Sat May 19, 2012 3:23 pm

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I loved 'Heartbreak Station' maybe because I am such Rolling Stones fan and I saw this as the band's attempt to do their own, slightly heavier version of 'Let It Bleed' album.

Interesting enough the engineer on some of those Mick Taylor Stones albums is Andy Johns the producer of this disc.

I have not heard this album in years but I am going to blow the dust off the album and take this CD out for a spin.

It did seem that blues rock was making quite a resurgence then. Did Izzy's album come out that year or a little later??? I guess since The Black Crowes were a new band they didn't get lumped in with the hair metal tag and were able to succeed... just my guess.

I suppose my question is............... If this had been Cinderella's first album would they have been able to make it through the 90s????
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PostSubject: Re: Cinderella Discography   Sat May 19, 2012 3:52 pm

I don't think it would not make a difference unless their debut was "Heartbreak Station' and not 'Night Songs', if that had been the case then yea I think they would have been able to survive the very era that swallowed them whole
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PostSubject: Re: Cinderella Discography   Sat May 19, 2012 10:08 pm

Never heard Heartbreak Station all the way through. The songs I have heard (off Once Upon A...) were decent enough but never made me want to run out and by H.S.
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PostSubject: Re: Cinderella Discography   Sat May 19, 2012 11:24 pm

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I don't think it would not make a difference unless their debut was "Heartbreak Station' and not 'Night Songs', if that had been the case then yea I think they would have been able to survive the very era that swallowed them whole

Yep, that's what I meant, if "Heartbreak Station" had been their debut.
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